Replacement of Pakistan Army's G-3 Rifles.

[Desert Fox]

There is a reason Russia switched from 7.62 to 5.45mm... those pesky Americans had the right idea.

Nothing beats American and European quality, though i would prefer American over European as well due to cost factor. Heck, even made in America boots are better than any you'll get from abroad, i knew people who've wore Timberlands all their lives and when they switched over to say Belleville boots they never even bothered looking at Timberlands again.

I bought a pair of these boots a few years ago and they are very comfortable, durable, water proof boots, and best of all they lasted a long time, they're great in winter.

 

[niaz]

But sir, I have been assured that the talks are over and we have now finalized a new weapon as an alternative to G-3.
We now can witness some soldiers using G36Cs on the western border and in Balochistan.

Maybe the cost-benefit analysis proved it to be worth a change.

I am surprized at the choice of G36C model. This is the short barrel version of the 5.56 mm G36 rifle. No doubt it would score well in an urnban closed range situation. Wonder how effective it would in a desert fight where long range would have an advantage. Suppose PA planners know what they are doing.

 

[emotionless_teenage]

one alternative is to do it like the turks

that is refurbishing and adding new add-on to the rifle.seems that optical sight (and thermal sight.albeit on a less frequent scale) is the norm

 

[boris]

I am surprized at the choice of G36C model. This is the short barrel version of the 5.56 mm G36 rifle. No doubt it would score well in an urnban closed range situation. Wonder how effective it would in a desert fight where long range would have an advantage. Suppose PA planners know what they are doing.

British SAS has switched from MP5 to G36C for CQB.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Both Timberland and Bellvile and btw McRae are American products. I use 8" high McRae's. They are really good boots after wearing Chocorans for ages.

 

[Whazzup]

I saw a lot of people praising the range of 7.62x51 but my ques is what good it is as your rifles only have iron sights and its really difficult to take down a target 300 m away and in a battle battle when target is shooting back its next to impossible.

As per the replacement thing I think its better for Pak to make a rifle of its own somee thing with a BL of 16inch so that the overall length can be reduce and have a firing options of 1 3round burst and full auto (burst will not be a prob as Pak is also using mp5a3) Or you guys should simply buy HK41.

 

[BordoEnes]

My personnal Options for a new Rifle for the Pakistani army would be

- Mehmetcik 2 (With same Calibre only more modern and more attachments)
- A Modified G-3 Specificly for Pakistani army
- A Modified AK Specificly for Pakistani army

I think a Modified G3 would make the biggest change of a new rifle for pakistan duo the long experience pakistan has with the rifle, And also this would be the cheapest way cause then the pakistani army doesnt have to modify trainings or structures in the army. I already saw a dosens of different types of Modified G-3s made by pakistan why dont you just pick one?

Here for one the G3S:

But what i prefere is a mix of AK and G-3! The PTR-32 KF

 

[Manticore]

G27K: H&K & insiders suggest second standard rifle for German Army
(Assault rifle HK417k-Bw (7.62mm NATO) scoped and equipped with a silencer to run for the "G27k"-Project)

Recent reports showed that - even though no serious complaints have been filed so far - the army's G36 standard rifle is pushed to its limits during firefights in Afghanistan. Only a few hundred consecutive shots can heat up the barrel so much that the weapon's accuracy on a man-size target 300 meters away is reduced to one third. H&K and the German military even had to issue a warning soldiers should rather wait for the barrel to cool down to hand-warmth before firing more, prompting German news outlets such as DER SPIEGEL to scoff at the "please shoot less!" order. Now the company's Marc Roth ([1], [2]) and the Griephan Briefe suggest the military's interest in a second standard rifle, an unofficial competition that's so far been dominated by a short-barrelled HK417 going under the designation "G27k". The project arose from the competitive bidding for a designated marksman rifle - won by H&K's G3DMR and G28 - and the search of Germany's special forces and military police for a supplementary rifle to fill the gap between the G36 AR and the G28 DMR ("Project Support Weapon for Short Ranges" closely contested by the HK416, Schmeisser's AR15 and SAN Swiss Arms' SIG516). H&K as well as the troops on the ground however lobby for the broad reintroduction of the 7.62mm NATO bullet (which proved superior to the 5.56 in Afghanistan). The G27k could be issued to weapons specialists akin to assault rifles with underbarrel grenade launchers. However, the Griephan group even goes to the length of demanding the weapon be issued to all troops operating in traditional ground combat roles outside of camps and outposts. In the past some German units helped themselves to G3A4s with iron sights to have some more 7.62mm weapons in the field.

 

[Desert Fox]

Both Timberland and Bellvile and btw McRae are American products. I use 8" high McRae's. They are really good boots after wearing Chocorans for ages.

Timberlands are made in Cuba i believe.

 

[Mosamania]

G27K: H&K & insiders suggest second standard rifle for German Army
(Assault rifle HK417k-Bw (7.62mm NATO) scoped and equipped with a silencer to run for the "G27k"-Project)

Recent reports showed that - even though no serious complaints have been filed so far - the army's G36 standard rifle is pushed to its limits during firefights in Afghanistan. Only a few hundred consecutive shots can heat up the barrel so much that the weapon's accuracy on a man-size target 300 meters away is reduced to one third. H&K and the German military even had to issue a warning soldiers should rather wait for the barrel to cool down to hand-warmth before firing more, prompting German news outlets such as DER SPIEGEL to scoff at the "please shoot less!" order. Now the company's Marc Roth ([1], [2]) and the Griephan Briefe suggest the military's interest in a second standard rifle, an unofficial competition that's so far been dominated by a short-barrelled HK417 going under the designation "G27k". The project arose from the competitive bidding for a designated marksman rifle - won by H&K's G3DMR and G28 - and the search of Germany's special forces and military police for a supplementary rifle to fill the gap between the G36 AR and the G28 DMR ("Project Support Weapon for Short Ranges" closely contested by the HK416, Schmeisser's AR15 and SAN Swiss Arms' SIG516). H&K as well as the troops on the ground however lobby for the broad reintroduction of the 7.62mm NATO bullet (which proved superior to the 5.56 in Afghanistan). The G27k could be issued to weapons specialists akin to assault rifles with underbarrel grenade launchers. However, the Griephan group even goes to the length of demanding the weapon be issued to all troops operating in traditional ground combat roles outside of camps and outposts. In the past some German units helped themselves to G3A4s with iron sights to have some more 7.62mm weapons in the field.

This is bad news considering that the G36 is set to be our main assault rifle.

 

[MastanKhan]

Nothing beats American and European quality, though i would prefer American over European as well due to cost factor. Heck, even made in America boots are better than any you'll get from abroad, i knew people who've wore Timberlands all their lives and when they switched over to say Belleville boots they never even bothered looking at Timberlands again.

I bought a pair of these boots a few years ago and they are very comfortable, durable, water proof boots, and best of all they lasted a long time, they're great in winter.

Hi,

Americans make some classy shoes----for men---I prefer the Allen Edmonds---. The best built american shoes---kind of expensive they are----.

Before 9/11, you could use these shoes and when they wore out---you put them in a box and mailed them back to Allen Edmonds and they would re-sole and re-furbish the shoes for free----after 9/11, when economy took a hit---they started charging $25 for complete re-conditioning the shoes---.

I saw a lot of people praising the range of 7.62x51 but my ques is what good it is as your rifles only have iron sights and its really difficult to take down a target 300 m away and in a battle battle when target is shooting back its next to impossible.

As per the replacement thing I think its better for Pak to make a rifle of its own somee thing with a BL of 16inch so that the overall length can be reduce and have a firing options of 1 3round burst and full auto (burst will not be a prob as Pak is also using mp5a3) Or you guys should simply buy HK41.

Hi,

You also need the stopping power as well---the 5.56 does not completely incapacitate the soldier unless hit in the vital parts---.

 

[Nishan_101]

I think it was the best chance for the POF to join the Germans on their next rifle and other arms program to learn as well as gain the technology and they can produce these weapons for Pakistan Armed forces as well as for other Nations who are interested in it!!! Which will going to help them gain Money as well!!!

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Timberlands made in Cuba, I think not! They are an American company. They might get some of their manufacturing done in Purto Rico or some othe LAtin American country but I doubt that anything of American origin is assembled in Cuba or a Cuban manufactured product is sold in US for that matter execept for the Cuban cigars that are not imported legally.

 

[Jango]

Any news that what has happened to the MP-5?

About 4 years back, a letter was issued that all MP soldiers (at gates, posts) will carry a AK/Chinese version instead of MP-5, because the MP-5 did not have enough power to penetrate a bullet proof jacket, that was when the terrorism was at it's height. I was in Murree then, has it been inducted back now or still is the AK the norm?

 

[Donatello]

Hi,

Americans make some classy shoes----for men---I prefer the Allen Edmonds---. The best built american shoes---kind of expensive they are----.

Before 9/11, you could use these shoes and when they wore out---you put them in a box and mailed them back to Allen Edmonds and they would re-sole and re-furbish the shoes for free----after 9/11, when economy took a hit---they started charging $25 for complete re-conditioning the shoes---.

I used to have Red Wing boots. Best boots ever! Helped a lot in the snow trodden Pennsylvania. So much grip, you could literally walk on walls with them!