Reorienting U.S. Pakistan Strategy From Af-Pak to Asia

[Tiger Genie]

you need some medical advice to help with your anus but please do so offline no one is interested

Irfan, this was in response to something Shmain wrote so how can it be trolling? The 'pimple in the arse' you highlight is grating against the grain for you, fine I am happy to not use it - my point was that Pakistan was NOT as big a problem as SHamain was making it out to be. No offense was meant

It is unbelievable that some Pakistanis would object to even the proposal of regional trade based initiatives involving India, China and Pakistan! I don't see a single fact based objection - just tomes of shifting blame ...one has to wonder if these are really Pakistanis with Pakistan's interest in mind

 

[Shamain]

Whatever i wrote was totally between usa and pakistan ...idont understand how an indian has issues with it , when his 'nobody' country wasnt even brought into the discussion by me. Stupidly bending out of shape when u arent even part of the elite nation's group.

And as of calling him troll, the reason ws yesterday in some threads this person and 2 other of his countrymen were constantly making personal attacks and writing stupid arguments. If u act such ways nobody will take u seriously. and he proved my point by writing BS in this thread.

 

[Tiger Genie]

Whatever i wrote was totally between usa and pakistan ...idont understand how an indian has issues with it , when his 'nobody' country wasn't even brought into the discussion by me. Stupidly bending out of shape when u arent even part of the elite nation's group.

And as of calling him troll, the reason ws yesterday in some threads this person and 2 other of his countrymen were constantly making personal attacks and writing stupid arguments. If u act such ways nobody will take u seriously. and he proved my point by writing BS in this thread.

Obviously you don't want to or incapable of understanding even explicitly spelt out themes. This thread starts with trade and relationship amongst THREE countries namely India, China and Pakistan. You don't therefore get to exclude anyone of three out in the discussion.

Second your inferiority complex probably leads you to assumptions such as elite nations - the article and none of the discussions make any allusion to elitism. OTOH you seem to have a bee up your bonnet referring to India as a nobody country - a country which has repeatedly beaten you in every respect of economic, social, political and trade development. ANd that is precisely why Pakistan needs to truly engage in regional developmental trade instead of stewing in hate filled ethnic politics.

 

[Shamain]

Again article talked abt india or not but my post didnt. and the response given to my post contained the same old nonsense of how the entire worlds trade is dependent on india. Boohoo who cares for india.
I was talking china,pakistan and usa etc.
I never talk anything apart from elite, and thats it .over .

 

[Donatello]

I would prefer if they looked at Pakistan as .... Pakistan. However I have no beef with American's. They will do what their administration was mandated for, look after and advance the interests of their electorate, the American peoples.

I actually think our currency will increase with the American's over time. As China rises, which despite all the sceptics here will happen that will fuel the rivary between US and China. The next 50 years of geopolitics is going to be all about how US/China square off the world.

In this India will move in with US ( that already can be seen ) and we are going to move more toward China. The US and West willl try to court us by pulling on our traditional linkages with the West.

So all in all it is good news for Pakistan. About decade back I very pessimistic about Pakistan's future and even critical about our role in Afghanistan. Now decade later I have to take hats off to our boys in ISI. They played it well like chessmasters. Raheel is doing a sterling job.

@Tiger Genie I am overwhelmed with your magnanimity.

You know what is a laugh with lot of talk show hosts on Geo and Ary? They talk like as if US Administration or more specifically US President was elected by Pakistani people and he has some obligation to us.

The only obligation US has is to it's own electorate as defined by them. Pakistan government has obligation to look after our interests and any failures rest with them period.

Sir i think you've got this a bit complicated.....the author is suggesting that Pakistan should not be treated just for the sake of Afghanistan. A stable Afghanistan is good, but Americans really don't care about that. It is about how to posture their diplomacy vis-a-vis India, the new player in the US policy. Working with India and at the same time working with China and Pakistan is going to be complicated if the aforementioned three nations continue to lock horns at each other. So USA needs to tread carefully and not risk abandoning one for the other. Pakistan offers them deep clout in the ME via the GCC states, so if shyt ever hits the fan, Pakistan like Turkey can work behind the scenes.
The author suggests take into account Pakistan and it's reservations....and that is what USA is precisely doing by approving the AH-1Zs, which after the OBL raid seemed impossible. Pakistan is here to stay, and with increasing Chinese influence in south asia, Americans don't want to be left out. You always save and plan for the stormy days.

This is in stark comparison to that Carlotta Gall's book.

 

[Shamain]

Do we believe in OBL raid!!!!

 

[The Terminator]

what is the best option for Pakistan in this geo political situation?

I think best strategy for Pakistan is to go for China's alliance in trade, economy and then ultimately towards strategic partnership and strong military alliance. and nevertheless have some positive but constrained relations with US too. we need them and their markets and also european union

True. Pakistan need to look after its own interest first. Both US and China are engaging Pakistan out of their own interest and neither are true friends as there are no friends in international relationship.

your argument seems to be ok. But Pak-China friendship have some solid historical grounds and most of our interests are perfectly aligned in one common direction. we have common friends and a long list of our common hostiles. so all this refers to a long term strategic partnership to propagate each others interests around the globe and above all we have great people to people contact and neighbors too.

on the other hand there is a strong perception that US is really like aliens in this region come to devastate these lands and pull out whatever in her interests and after that just f**k those allies which joined their cause and helped them to achieve their goals and interests in the region.
I think thats the ideological difference between capitalist US and communist China. as in capitalism the rich and most powerful one is the boss and all others should work for the boss like laborers to make him more rich and powerful and after that just kick out those laborers who are left of not any value
and sorry i didn't mean any offense

 

[Luca1]

I think best strategy for Pakistan is to go for China's alliance in trade, economy and then ultimately towards strategic partnership and strong military alliance. and nevertheless have some positive but constrained relations with US too. we need them and their markets and also european union



your argument seems to be ok. But Pak-China friendship have some solid historical grounds and most of our interests are perfectly aligned in one common direction. we have common friends and a long list of our common hostiles. so all this refers to a long term strategic partnership to propagate each others interests around the globe and above all we have great people to people contact and neighbors too.

on the other hand there is a strong perception that US is really like aliens in this region come to devastate these lands and pull out whatever in her interests and after that just f**k those allies which joined their cause and helped them to achieve their goals and interests in the region.
I think thats the ideological difference between capitalist US and communist China. as in capitalism the rich and most powerful one is the boss and all others should work for the boss like laborers to make him more rich and powerful and after that just kick out those laborers who are left of not any value
and sorry i didn't mean any offense

IMHO, we should focus on trade. It's time for US to pull out of the region and stop droning Pakistan.

 

[PakGuns]

i dont pay any ransom

@LoveIcon bhai iski bori tyar kr dun??

 

[Sugarcane]

@LoveIcon bhai iski bori tyar kr dun??

Bori nahi, 5 killo k packet banao es k liay

 

[PakGuns]

Why don't you launch the fckr

launch some anti-bullshit missile on him... he 'll feel the pardmanu hathyar...

Bori nahi, 5 killo k packet banao es k liay

 

[Storm Force]

Usa will only take your interests seriously when you are standing FIRMLY on your own 2 FEET.

That means big strong GDP
No Grant aid needs
And a clear direction of where your heading as a nation without troubles of Terrorism.

YOUR INTERESTS NEEDS in this region can be greatly influenced only with USA support,.

China will never carry serious clout like USA in the region both middle east and South Asia.

 

[Shamain]

5kilo ki Bori may kya jo ga?? We will put biscuits inside it.

 

[PakGuns]

U.S. Do not want to destroy Pak. We just don't want the elements inside Pakistan to support someone like bIN laden, al Qaeda or ISIS. It's in our interest to have a prosperous Pakistan that can stand on its own against India.

but but wasn't US the same one requesting us ? arming the same people they wanna destroy today???

5kilo ki Bori may kya jo ga?? We will put biscuits inside it.

bhai tere totay ker k teri astiyan karachi ki b!tch me bahani ha..

 

[Shamain]

but but wasn't US the same one requesting us ? arming the same people they wanna destroy today???


bhai tere totay ker k teri astiyan karachi ki b!tch me bahani ha..

What a b1tchy retard u are.
Go try that out on urself . Go go shoo buzz off.