Dear Cookie Monster. believes and faith makes our society. they define the root which we follow. we cannot separate our world from our religious believe. if we do that we are not following our religion in our social life. As pointed, this is a matter between GOD and him, I differ on it as it is defined in Sunah. During Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) era this kind of concept was not accepted and a person having it consider as Gustakh Rasool (Reference can be provided)
We weren't talking about Gustakh Rasool concept here but if u wish to discuss that in the context of when Muhammad(SAW) was alive then there are plenty of examples where he himself chose to pardon the perpetrators and show them kindness in return. Through this he changed the hearts of many of them and they became Muslims.
There is the well known story of when he went to go preach to the ppl of Sham(Syria) and they mocked and pelted him with stones so much so that blood started to pool in his shoes. At this insolence, Jibrael(AS)/Angel Gabriel was sent down and he asked Prophet Muhammad(SAW) that he can crush them with a mountain if Muhammad(SAW) desired. Muhammad(SAW) told him not to do that and instead replied something along the lines of "if not them then perhaps their children will turn to Islam"
There are also stories about an old woman who used to throw trash at him every time he would pass from under her house. Once when he passed under her house and she didn't throw trash at him, he went to go inquire about her health to see if she is okay.
There are plenty of examples of our Prophet(SAW) showing kindness and choosing to forgive the worst of his enemies. The only times he took up arms were either when ppl took up arms against him and Muslims and the only option was to fight back...or when it was in the way of God. He never fought any personal fights and always chose forgiveness instead.
Anyways that's a different topic altogether.
if we follow the idea about his economic expertise the influence of their religious concept we cannot avoid as west always manipulated such entities. and centre stages them.
If we take ur claim that a person's religion influences his/her every activity then by that reasoning(as I told u earlier) u must also avoid anything and everything thought/made/created by non muslims bcuz they straight up deny Prophethood of Muhammad(SAW). If his advising over economic matters is so unbearable then I assume u also take similar stance over a Chinese team of engineers overseeing the building of a dam for example. Surely their religious views influence their every choice as u just claimed...so bcuz they are non muslims and don't accept the Prophethood of Muhammad(SAW), how can u accept that dam...or the power generated from it? How do u accept/use/purchase anything made by non muslims?
So dear having a different religion each and every person right but claim about Mirza Qadiyan not accepted at all. For instance. Imran is PM and someone put a chair beside him in Assembly what will you think about him?. The person will be mad or ill because it is not possible, Khatam Nabwat matter is much hired then PM.
Right...no one is saying that Mirza Qadiyani should be accepted nor should we embrace ahmadi views. Of course it's wrong...of course it goes against Islam. All I'm saying is that u must look at everything in its
CONTEXT. No one is trying to appoint him here as an Islamic religious scholar, no one is trying to get him to issue a fatwa for Muslims, nor be an imam in a masjid, etc...
...bcuz that's where our disagreement lies with his views and the views of other qadiyanis/ahmadis. Therefore that would be unacceptable...no questions no ifs and buts
However as an economic advisor...that has nothing to do with religion...
unless of course u r going to stick to ur claim above that "everything has to do with religion"...well in that case I ask u again, do u apply that reasoning everywhere equally? Or is it just being applied selectively in the case of Atif Mian? I expect u to also be fully against CPEC and lots of other dealings of Pakistan with non muslims.
ohh the Messiah got his *** kicked out of his post! what a fking loss
I didn't get what u meant here
okay lets put his belief aside for one second are you ready to accept someone who is against your constition to advice and influence your govt decisions?
He will not be allowed to change the constitution or pass laws that effect Islam. He will be an economic advisor. If it means improving Pak's economy so that we don't have to go begging every year to IMF or other countries then I'm all for it.
...just so u know there are other such examples where we accept the help of non muslims and no eyebrows are raised. Pakistani military trains(and has received training in the past) with other militaries from various non muslim countries around the world(US/Russia/China/etc.). Some of these countries are or were against Pakistan and yet their training was accepted.
So why is it so evil all of a sudden that some non muslim who is against our constitution advises on economic matters?
Let me ask you a question in return..."are you ready to go begging(as a nation) to IMF that also influences ur government's decisions, holding power(monetarily) over it?"
Let's send all judges home then.. or may be I'm mistaken...they are God-send or aliens...
I wasn't talking about human judges ruling over human matters like sentencing someone over robbing a bank.
I was talking about God judging humans on matters regarding God. Are u saying that a human can judge in Godly matters? Can some human sentence another human to an eternity in heaven or hell? Or can one human forgive the sins of another human? Or maybe all u had to say was a smartass comment with nothing concrete to back it up?
