Religion and torture go side by side

[Neo]

Closed for moderation.

 

[ARSENAL6]

Another Fail attemp by Islamaphobe this time by Halaku Khan to prooof of the Muslim Prophet (PBUH)had ever support of voilence of any sort or even toture.
THe email he sent only to smear hatred against Musilm and the Beloved Prophet Mohmmid (PBUH)
It doesn't make any sence for the beloved prophet to engage such acts
He suffered for Allah and Allah says not to kill or toture innocent people even in times of war - so does it make sence that he went toture people

Halaku Khan its clear you are ISlamatphobe Troll - just leave it !

 

[MastanKhan]

I'm afraid that the Prophet Muhammad did torture people with great brutality. Proofs can be given - if you like start a thread for it.

Neo---Agnostic muslim---webmaster,


Is this board become so shameless and you people become so liberal that that anyone can state anything about Prophet Mohammad---and you do nothing.

 

[qsaark]

So communists, who followed no religion did not believe in oppression, in occupation, in torture?

At any rate, the White evangelical Protestants are religious extremists, and their views on torture are not the representative of the views of all the Christians. In my opinion, the title of this post is rather misleading.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Actually it is not misleading----communists can say that they have no conscience---their teachings don't teach them about compassion.

But otoh---religion teaches compassion, love of man, equality, fear of GOD, a heaven and hell, life in this world and the life hereafter, the judgement day, religious tolerance, avoidance of bigotory, the teachings of their respective prophets etc etc etc.

 

[EjazR]

Halaku Khan has a habit of claiming proofs for everything. Im still waiting for your proofs on the West Bengal Madrassha thread.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/20322-more-hindus-than-muslims-west-bengal-madrassas.html
Or atleast admit graciously that you were wrong.

Coming back to the topic, I agree that perversion of religion has more to do with torture and the like than religion itself. It is the person responsible and it is responsibility of the rest of the followers of that religion to denounce this be they Christians, Muslims or Hindus and stop the loonies from hijacking their religion.

 

[Halaku Khan]

I did not realize this thread was still alive. Frankly, I don't enjoy bringing this up. But since people want proof, here goes:

Bukhari 4.02.261:
He [Muhammad] had their hands and feet cut off, ordered nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in a rocky land to die slowly. Anas said that they asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died.


Bukhari 1.4.234:

Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle."

Those who want to dig deeper may look at FFI: The Challenge . (Members in Islamic countries may have to use a proxy)

Another good source of information is here . Explore the links under the "Further Miscellanea" heading.

 

[EjazR]

I did not realize this thread was still alive. Frankly, I don't enjoy bringing this up. But since people want proof, here goes:

Bukhari 4.02.261:
He [Muhammad] had their hands and feet cut off, ordered nails which were heated and passed over their eyes, and they were left in a rocky land to die slowly. Anas said that they asked for water, and nobody provided them with water till they died.


Bukhari 1.4.234:

Anas said, "Some people of 'Ukl or 'Uraina tribe came to Medina and its climate did not suit them. So the Prophet ordered them to go to the herd of (Milch) camels and to drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they went as directed and after they became healthy, they killed the shepherd of the Prophet and drove away all the camels. The news reached the Prophet early in the morning and he sent (men) in their pursuit and they were captured and brought at noon. He then ordered to cut their hands and feet (and it was done), and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron, They were put in 'Al-Harra' and when they asked for water, no water was given to them." Abu Qilaba said, "Those people committed theft and murder, became infidels after embracing Islam and fought against Allah and His Apostle."

Those who want to dig deeper may look at FFI: The Challenge . (Members in Islamic countries may have to use a proxy)

Another good source of information is here . Explore the links under the "Further Miscellanea" heading.

Ah, so this is your proof. I would have expected something better than faith freedom .org or similar websites who are know to be xenophobic.

The person who runs the website Ali Sina, only "debates" on the Internet so that he doesn't have to part with his measly $50,000. He will not come out in real life.

I don't even need to refute your proofs because you can read these here.
Examinetruth - Faith Freedom exposed
and here
Ali Sina Caught Lying Again
Another useful site http://www.faithfreedom.com/

With regard to the two hadith, can you give me the exact quotation from this neutral link? CRCC: Center For Muslim-Jewish Engagement: Resources: Religious Texts.
As faith freedom is a xenophobic website and not neutral, I don't expect it to be honest in translations or quotations.

In any case, I hope you avoid xenophobic sources in the future and also change your mindset and analyze sources before quoting them. It doesn't do good for your image if you present these as legitimate sources.

 

[rokhanyousafzai]

i no MODs may want to allow people their opinion but what this Halaku Khan is saying is blind anti islamic hate similar to the cartoons and his trolling is extremely insulting