Rejecting an alleged miracle of Ghous Pak Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani leads to being beaten up by charged crowd

[ziaulislam]

Nothing has divided Muslims more than "how to pray". This ritual was supposed to be symbolic display of submission and unity but it turned out to be source of differences and disunity, primarily because everyone has a hadees to prove their way is correct way.

If you go into details of when and how it became mandatory, the whole story is full of flaws and contradictions. Nobody can say it with 100% surety that their way is the correct way.

Just for an example, all the messengers, prophets and messenger prophets (peace be upon all of them) must have prayed, otherwise there cannot be a congregational prayer led by Muhammad Peace be upon him right before Miraj journey. So what were those messengers and prophets reading in their prayers?

What did Muhammad Peace be upon him used to do in ghar e soor? If he was praying then how did he pray and what did he read at that time?

Zoroastrians have 5 times prayers and they clean themselves like us before that.

Traditions at the best are history telling and nothing more. History is not always true as to what happened and how it happened.

Quran was in form of written compiled book from the start, but the history tells you that it was gathered and compiled later .. a blatant lie, just to support the claim that not everything had to be in writing.

1- Quran has ample verses on prayers infact it's one of most common verse. Islam was step wise religion and was completed over 23 years ..if you see contra dictions that because you don't want to see whole picture..by that definition you will start thinking drinking is fine or fighting to protect your self is wrong since both were this way during Makkah era

2- Quran was compiled within a year of prophet death it couldn't have been compiled before as it wasn't written in a year and wasn't complete untill final yr of prophet life and it wasn't even written in same order as it's now as each verse came at specific historical junction. The order of Quran was established when prophet recited it in this order in his last years.

Muslim history doesn't say it was compiled later. Quoting non local sources is against common sense. If we go that route then they also have other stupid claims like lost parts or it was written later or it was copied from some Christian blah blah

3- Quran consensus recition change happened at Usman era as each Arabs would sometime use their own dialect in pronunciation.. simply to avoid confusion among non Arabs hence why a single way of recitation was adopted..

4- timing of prayers are in Quran so not sure what are you talking about (Quran mention morning day and night three prayers)

5- there isn't a big difference in prayers. Anyone can fight on nitty gritty things but prayers method is probably the least controversial thing in Islam so not sure what you are talking about???

Hence why even shia sunni will pray together in most part of the world with basically the same way

 

[I.R.A]

5- there isn't a big difference in prayers. Anyone can fight on nitty gritty things but prayers method is probably the least controversial thing in Islam so not sure what you are talking about???

Why do they have their own mosques then? If these are minor differences then why is there need for a separate mosque for each sect?

Quran calls itself a book, it is mentioned multiple times in Quran even right at the start of second Surah, so I don't know how can Muslims believe that it was not in written form.

By saying that it wasn't in a written book form, do you even understand what you are implying? This argument is illogical nonsensical that it was compiled after death of Muhammad Peace be upon him, how can he just ignore this huge responsibility .. kuch hosh k nakhun lo.

Traditions were simply introduced to mostly malign and disrespect companions, harm the unity, spread the discord, and divert Muslims from Quran, if anyone cannot understand that from reading traditions .. what can I say then. Abu Hurairah only spent two years with Muhammad Peace be upon him and he is quoted the most in those traditions, nothing from Abu Bakar, Usman, Umer, Ali or other Sahaba e Kabar but Abu Hurairah ..

 

[Dr-who]

Nothing has divided Muslims more than "how to pray". This ritual was supposed to be symbolic display of submission and unity but it turned out to be source of differences and disunity, primarily because everyone has a hadees to prove their way is correct way.

If you go into details of when and how it became mandatory, the whole story is full of flaws and contradictions. Nobody can say it with 100% surety that their way is the correct way.

Just for an example, all the messengers, prophets and messenger prophets (peace be upon all of them) must have prayed, otherwise there cannot be a congregational prayer led by Muhammad Peace be upon him right before Miraj journey. So what were those messengers and prophets reading in their prayers?

What did Muhammad Peace be upon him used to do in ghar e soor? If he was praying then how did he pray and what did he read at that time?

Zoroastrians have 5 times prayers and they clean themselves like us before that.

Traditions at the best are history telling and nothing more. History is not always true as to what happened and how it happened.

Quran was in form of written compiled book from the start, but the history tells you that it was gathered and compiled later .. a blatant lie, just to support the claim that not everything had to be in writing.

Quran is meant to recited and memorized
Yes some verses were inscribed on pieces of bone or leather-but Quran was compiled and arranged such as today after the prophet

@Great Janjua , turns out it's okay to worship a penis if it's big enough.

Indians.. smh

At least has to penetrating power
Better then someone who is dead & is powerless

 

[I.R.A]

Quran is meant to recited and memorized
Yes some verses were inscribed on pieces of bone or leather-but Quran was compiled and arranged such as today after the prophet

You can believe whatever you want, however, I don't believe that Quran was compiled and given a book form after Muhammad Peace be upon him. This cannot be, no matter what.

 

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[villageidiot]

Anyone believe that he did these things is nothing less then shirk..
If you say he did with will of God the. His miracles were better then prophet that is also nazubillah a great sin...

That was the most shocking thing for me. I knew barelvi's like to embellish stuff but God damn do they make Ghous-e-Pak seem bigger than the Prophet SAW himself. Everyday you find a karamat that puts the last of to shame. Like munkar nakeer angels can't ask the 4 question from teh mureeds of Ghaus-e-Pak. Astagfirullah.

bring dead back to life isn't a baba miracle

Ending any ludicrous story with "he did so by the will of Allah" doesn't cut it.

 

[Dr-who]

You can believe whatever you want, however, I don't believe that Quran was compiled and given a book form after Muhammad Peace be upon him. This cannot be, no matter what.

Then what makes u believe the prophet was who he claimed to be
What makes u think there is allah, have u seen him?
Anyhow for u ur own beliefs , for me my own beliefs
Chill and enjoy life

 

[ziaulislam]

Quran is meant to recited and memorized
Yes some verses were inscribed on pieces of bone or leather-but Quran was compiled and arranged such as today after the prophet


At least has to penetrating power
Better then someone who is dead & is powerless

Sure believe what ever you want. You can also believe that pyramids were built in India and later moved to eygpt if someone ask you why think so you can just provide some indians sources.

Same way I ask you why do you believe it was compiled later when all the arab historians of the time state it was compiled in last two years of prophet Muhammad you will quote some western unknown historians

 

[ziaulislam]

Why do they have their own mosques then? If these are minor differences then why is there need for a separate mosque for each sect?

Quran calls itself a book, it is mentioned multiple times in Quran even right at the start of second Surah, so I don't know how can Muslims believe that it was not in written form.

By saying that it wasn't in a written book form, do you even understand what you are implying? This argument is illogical nonsensical that it was compiled after death of Muhammad Peace be upon him, how can he just ignore this huge responsibility .. kuch hosh k nakhun lo.

Traditions were simply introduced to mostly malign and disrespect companions, harm the unity, spread the discord, and divert Muslims from Quran, if anyone cannot understand that from reading traditions .. what can I say then. Abu Hurairah only spent two years with Muhammad Peace be upon him and he is quoted the most in those traditions, nothing from Abu Bakar, Usman, Umer, Ali or other Sahaba e Kabar but Abu Hurairah ..

You are asking questions that make no sense.

You can't say thievery is okay by saying why people do thievery
As I said 90% of Muslims mosques are common mosques ..

A book can be memorized as a oral tradition and written down. Quran was n both written and memorized. Writing in some societies are prone to error the memorized oral tradition simply because we didn't had printing press hence we saw what happened to bible. Quran was not written in current order the current order was established in last two years of prophet life.

Hadith were there as important reference work to Quran...if you don't trust Hadith there is no reason to trust Quran since source of both is the same

You need to dive in mtoe to understand why abu hurirah has most quotation because he spent dedicated time, wrote them and memorized them

Vs other mostly followed prophet teaching..how they practiced is also documented and is considered as important reference work. We know how abu bakur umar Usman did things and those are part of fiqah. Just because exact quotation are fewer from some doesn't mean anything

 

[Dr-who]

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Sure believe what ever you want. You can also believe that pyramids were built in India and later moved to eygpt if someone ask you why think so you can just provide some indians sources.

Same way I ask you why do you believe it was compiled later when all the arab historians of the time state it was compiled in last two years of prophet Muhammad you will quote some western unknown historians

If was compiled in last 2 years of prophets life, then why uthman ra needed to standardize the Quran later on

 

[xxl09]

the current order was established in last two years of prophet life.

Wrong absolutely wrong. Please check again. You have absolutely 0 clue about when Holy Quran was compiled how many of of them were compiled and which people compiled it and who later on burned all other copies.
All it takes is too read before coming on internet and make a claim which a non Muslim can fact check and smack you with it.
1. Imam Ali is the very first person to compile Holy Quran. Which was rejected by Abu Bakar and Umar.
2. Then Abu Bakar on the advice of Umar made duty of Zaid ibn Thābit to compile Holy Quran after the battle of Yamamamah.
3. Then Usman during his CALIPHATE burned all other copies of Holy Quran leaving us with Current one.

These are facts. So here are few questions
1. Why did Abu Bakar rejected the Holy Quran that Imam Ali had? It's in Sahih Bukhari.
2. Why did Umar advised Abu Bakar to compile Holy Quran? Didn't Umar believe on the verse?
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا ٱلذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُۥ لَحَـٰفِظُونَ ٩
"It is We who sent down this message and verily it is We who will protect it"
3. Why Usman burned the other copies ? That means there were other copies.

 

[AlKardai]

Another GLORIOUS day in the heaven that is the ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan.
Funny enough, every one of those hardcore Islamic warriors beating that poor man would spit on the Quran if offered a one way ticked to the evil secular west.

Most of them reside in the west

 

[ziaulislam]

Wrong absolutely wrong. Please check again. You have absolutely 0 clue about when Holy Quran was compiled how many of of them were compiled and which people compiled it and who later on burned all other copies.
All it takes is too read before coming on internet and make a claim which a non Muslim can fact check and smack you with it.
1. Imam Ali is the very first person to compile Holy Quran. Which was rejected by Abu Bakar and Umar.
2. Then Abu Bakar on the advice of Umar made duty of Zaid ibn Thābit to compile Holy Quran after the battle of Yamamamah.
3. Then Usman during his CALIPHATE burned all other copies of Holy Quran leaving us with Current one.

These are facts. So here are few questions
1. Why did Abu Bakar rejected the Holy Quran that Imam Ali had? It's in Sahih Bukhari.
2. Why did Umar advised Abu Bakar to compile Holy Quran? Didn't Umar believe on the verse?
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا ٱلذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُۥ لَحَـٰفِظُونَ ٩
"It is We who sent down this message and verily it is We who will protect it"
3. Why Usman burned the other copies ? That means there were other copies.

Again you guys don't really understand what compilation means. I am not talking about creating an official physical copy but the actual completion

Prophet created current order by reciting Quran in last 2 yrs ..the companions and people learned the final version at that time.

Abu bakur made an official physical copy to be kept with khalifa ...he didn't compile or made something new.

For his version he did what anyone will do despite having memorized the Quran he asked for everyone to bring their copies so no one can later critize his official state copy.

 

[HAIDER]

Again you guys don't really understand what compilation means. I am not talking about creating an official physical copy but the actual completion

Prophet created current order by reciting Quran in last 2 yrs ..the companions and people learned the final version at that time.

Abu bakur made an official physical copy to be kept with khalifa ...he didn't compile or made something new.

For his version he did what anyone will do despite having memorized the Quran he asked for everyone to bring their copies so no one can later critize his official state copy.

https://www.tiktok.com/video/7210294413011029290

 

[xxl09]

When these so called Ulmas read this stuff in Bukahari about Sahaba compare to what commonly known myths created, so why wouldn't these will create myths.
Here is the truth about how one of the Great Sahabi embraced Islam compared to myth taught or even showed in Umar Series. I guess in Umar Series they missed out this part.
Hiding the truth is equal to lying or even worse. And these Islamic Ulmas have lied to is for 1400 Years about reality what they knew but never told us. SO HUN CHOPU.
Kabi yazid ka
Kabi abbasi ka
Kabi mughal ka
Kabi Britian ka
ab Amerika ka
chuppi jao
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