Recent Sino-Indian border conflict

[AViet]

Right, there are no question of talks as far as Arunachal Pradesh is concerned, that part of the country has always been a part of our North East, historically and culturally. China can only relinquish the territory it holds, and they will never gain an inch of Arunachal.

In '62 these Chinese thought that they would just walk into Arunachal and Assam and the people here would welcome them into their midst. The rude shock they received made them retreat hastily.

China must understand that the people of Arunachal don't want to be associated with them in any capacity, you lot are despised here for what you have done with Tibet and the Dalai Lama.

Oh, did you interview everyone there? Do they want to stay with India? I heard that now so many Tibetan want to return back to China, rather staying in deep poverty India with no future.

 

[namefield_empty]

Oh, did you interview everyone there? Do they want to stay with India? I heard that now so many Tibetan want to return back to China, rather staying in deep poverty India with no future.

I am from a place in Assam that's on the Arunachal border, so don't need to go to Arunachal solely for the purpose of interviewing anyone. I converse with more Arunachali people daily than you will ever do in your entire lifetime.

It is a misconception that's been ingrained in the sheep from China by your CCP that people from Arunachal are all Tibetans. They form a minority of the Arunachal population who ironically are the victims of your intransigence in Tibet. They are deeply concerned about the wellbeing of their Tibetan brothers and detest your CCP government.

Rest of the population of Arunachal(more than three-fourths) are all north east Indian tribes having no connection whatsoever to your China. Their culture and language are the same as us in Assam, and were historically a part of our kingdoms in NE. They don't even share your religion- Hinduism, Christianity and Donyi-Polo are followed.

In short, Arunachal Pradesh has nothing to do with China culturally and historically. Your government knows this very well and it's time you followed this like gospel.

negotiation table.

There is nothing to negotiate so far as Arunachal is concerned. But i am not aware of the nitty-gritty of the other contested areas.

 

[conworldus]

You said "In short, Arunachal Pradesh has nothing to do with China culturally and historically"

The pesky old British map disagrees with you.
Tawang is clearly in Tibet, not India.

I am from a place in Assam that's on the Arunachal border, so don't need to go to Arunachal solely for the purpose of interviewing anyone. I converse with more Arunachali people daily than you will ever do in your entire lifetime.

It is a misconception that's been ingrained in the sheep from China by your CCP that people from Arunachal are all Tibetans. They form a minority of the Arunachal population who ironically are the victims of your intransigence in Tibet. They are deeply concerned about the wellbeing of their Tibetan brothers and detest your CCP government.

Rest of the population of Arunachal(more than three-fourths) are all north east Indian tribes having no connection whatsoever to your China. Their culture and language are the same as us in Assam, and were historically a part of our kingdoms in NE. They don't even share your religion- Hinduism, Christianity and Donyi-Polo are followed.

In short, Arunachal Pradesh has nothing to do with China culturally and historically. Your government knows this very well and it's time you followed this like gospel.


There is nothing to negotiate so far as Arunachal is concerned. But i am not aware of the nitty-gritty of the other contested areas.

Another Map. India is red.

I am from a place in Assam that's on the Arunachal border, so don't need to go to Arunachal solely for the purpose of interviewing anyone. I converse with more Arunachali people daily than you will ever do in your entire lifetime.

It is a misconception that's been ingrained in the sheep from China by your CCP that people from Arunachal are all Tibetans. They form a minority of the Arunachal population who ironically are the victims of your intransigence in Tibet. They are deeply concerned about the wellbeing of their Tibetan brothers and detest your CCP government.

Rest of the population of Arunachal(more than three-fourths) are all north east Indian tribes having no connection whatsoever to your China. Their culture and language are the same as us in Assam, and were historically a part of our kingdoms in NE. They don't even share your religion- Hinduism, Christianity and Donyi-Polo are followed.

In short, Arunachal Pradesh has nothing to do with China culturally and historically. Your government knows this very well and it's time you followed this like gospel.


There is nothing to negotiate so far as Arunachal is concerned. But i am not aware of the nitty-gritty of the other contested areas.

However, this 1947 map shows that Tawang is now in India.

In short, you are totally wrong that this area has nothing to do with China culturally or historically. The fact is that the Brits took it while ruling India, nothing more. Non-Tibetans who live in that area are mostly due to India's internal immigration push to assimilate the border region.

I am from a place in Assam that's on the Arunachal border, so don't need to go to Arunachal solely for the purpose of interviewing anyone. I converse with more Arunachali people daily than you will ever do in your entire lifetime.

It is a misconception that's been ingrained in the sheep from China by your CCP that people from Arunachal are all Tibetans. They form a minority of the Arunachal population who ironically are the victims of your intransigence in Tibet. They are deeply concerned about the wellbeing of their Tibetan brothers and detest your CCP government.

Rest of the population of Arunachal(more than three-fourths) are all north east Indian tribes having no connection whatsoever to your China. Their culture and language are the same as us in Assam, and were historically a part of our kingdoms in NE. They don't even share your religion- Hinduism, Christianity and Donyi-Polo are followed.

In short, Arunachal Pradesh has nothing to do with China culturally and historically. Your government knows this very well and it's time you followed this like gospel.


There is nothing to negotiate so far as Arunachal is concerned. But i am not aware of the nitty-gritty of the other contested areas.

 

[namefield_empty]

However, this 1947 map shows that Tawang is now in India.

Please make it a habit of reading the earlier posts in a thread before you publish new content. Had you gone through my earlier posts, you would have found me clearly mention that the tiny Tawang tract is the only place in our Arunachal Pradesh that is remotely linked to Tibet. Mind you i wrote Tibet(not China) as the events leading up to occupation of Tibet made the inhabitants there anti Chinese.

Your fake maps mean zilch to us, we in Assam have our own centuries old documented history(Buranjis) that have chronicled the our relationships with the hills and plain tribes of present day Arunachal.

The extent to which your fake propaganda machine can stoop down to was exposed couple of years back. In your pathetic attempt to paint the tribes of Arunachal as Tibetans your government concocted a false story about the Apatanis who are our tribal brothers from the Ziro valley. Your government mouthpiece called them the most beautiful of Tibetan people!

You know what the Apatani organisations themselves were the ones to debunk your fantasies and evil intentions, and we had a great laugh over the matter.

Arunachal is going nowhere, North East India is a close knit unit and we will always thwart you Chinese as ONE if you cast an evil eye on our motherland.

 

[phancong]

Why respond to the Indian Poster about Indian Resistance in the 1962 war? Waste time to discuss with Indian about face saving defeated of the Indian Army in 1962. Nation of a great humiliation suffered by India right after Hindu get their Independent from the British, One proud Hindu humiliated again by foreign force, Hindu should give back to South Tibet but Hindu decided follow the British footstep right into Tibet but China beat the crap out of Hindu in 1962 war.

 

[XDescendantX]

Simple solution: India relinquishes its claim on Aksai Chin, and China relinquishes its claim on Arunachal Pradesh.

Simple solution: India relinquishes it's 70+ year illegal claim on all of Kashmir, and cede all of it to Pakistan, and China relinquishes it's claim on Arunachal Pradesh after 70+ years.

Since India won't exist 70 years from now the treaty will become void and China can just have Arunachal Pradesh.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

Simple solution: India relinquishes it's 70+ year illegal claim on all of Kashmir, and cede all of it to Pakistan, and China relinquishes it's claim on Arunachal Pradesh after 70+ years.

Since India won't exist 70 years from now the treaty will become void and China can just have Arunachal Pradesh.

please try to say something that makes sense

It is interesting that an Indian claims he knows how Chinese troops would have felt. From what I can tell, your confidence in your own view misses two important facts. First, before 1962, Chinese troops marched into Tibet where local culture was quite different. Was there any concern about how they would be received by the local population? You bet there was. So, in 1962, it was not the first time. Better yet, Chinese troops had already have some experience dealing with Tibetans, who were the same local population in South Tibet. Second, people in general don't concern themselves much with politics, especially in regions that haven't been infested with much nationalism. Most of them just prefer their lives not disturbed too much. The picture you just painted tried to give an impression that Tibetans living in South Tibet had strong affiliation with India. That is laughable.

With all due respect, Arunachal Pradesh has NOT been historically populated by Tibetans. Only the bordering districts with Tibet such as Tawang have been Tibetan. Arunachal Pradesh is populated by various Sino-Tibetan Tibeto-Burman tribal groups such as Khambas and Tanis, but not Tibetans. With the exception of some Tibetan populations living near the border, very few people inn Arunachal can understand Tibetan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Arunachal_Pradesh#List_of_tribes

 

[Figaro]

China withdraw from South Tibet in good faith. It was never in China interest to start a war with India. China just wanted to hit India to hard that they will return to the negotiation table. It did stop India adventure and bring 50 years of peace.

To be fair, it would have been a logistical nightmare with the winter coming for China to remain in South Tibet. A withdrawal was pretty much certain either way due to the Himalayan mountains.

Simple solution: India relinquishes its claim on Aksai Chin, and China relinquishes its claim on Arunachal Pradesh.

Not really a fair deal for the Chinese. They will basically acknowledge a territory almost three times the size of Aksai chin and far more hospitable to India. I really dont know why India keeps proposing this ... it is a definite dead end. Would India agree if China had Arunachal Pradesh and it had Aksai Chin?

 

[Nan Yang]

To be fair, it would have been a logistical nightmare with the winter coming for China to remain in South Tibet. A withdrawal was pretty much certain either way due to the Himalayan mountains.


Not really a fair deal for the Chinese. They will basically acknowledge a territory almost three times the size of Aksai chin and far more hospitable to India. I really dont know why India keeps proposing this ... it is a definite dead end. Would India agree if China had Arunachal Pradesh and it had Aksai Chin?

This is exactly what ZhouEnlai offered India. Swap Aksai Chin for South Tibet but India responded with the forward policy that advanced further then what they actually claim. India wants the whole thing plus even more.

 

[Mighty Lion]

Never mind.

 

[Mighty Lion]

@Deino @LKJ86

 

[Deino]

Why again a new thread?

 

[Deino]

Never mind.

Why did you delete your post?

 

[Zarvan]

By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2020/5/31 18:28:41

China reveals its new long range multiple rocket launcher at the National Day parade on October 1. Photo: IC



Since the Doklam standoff with India in 2017, the Chinese military has expanded its arsenal with weapons like the Type 15 tank, Z-20 helicopter and GJ-2 drone that should give China the advantage in high-altitude conflicts should they arise, Chinese analysts said on Sunday.

China's Type 15 tank made its public debut at the National Day military parade on October 1 last year.

With a powerful engine, the Type 15 lightweight main battle tank can effectively operate in plateau regions difficult for heavier tanks, and with its advanced fire control systems and 105 millimeter caliber armor-piercing main gun, it can outgun any other light armored vehicles at high elevations, the experts told the Global Times on Sunday.

China's most advanced vehicle-mounted howitzer, the PCL-181, also debuted at the parade.

At 25 tons, the PCL-181 is lighter, faster and can endure longer than the previous 40-ton self-propelled howitzer on crawler tracks.

It can digitally deploy its gun at the press of a button, with automatic calibration and semi-automatic reloading.

Both the Type 15 tank and the PCL-181 howitzer were displayed in the high-elevation plateau region of Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region in a China Central Television report on military exercises in January.

Another new weapon which debuted at the parade was a multiple-rocket launcher system, which uses an 8x8 wheeled high-mobility chassis and carries two sets of four 370-millimeter rockets, making it viable for high-altitude deployment, according to publicly available reports.

In the air, China unveiled the Z-20 utility helicopter at the parade. This medium-lift helicopter can adapt to all kinds of terrain and weather and can be used on missions including personnel and cargo transport, search and rescue and reconnaissance.

The Z-20 can operate in oxygen-depleted plateaus thanks to its powerful homemade engine, Chen Guang, vice general manager of Avicopter, the helicopter branch of Aviation Industry Corporation of China that developed the helicopter, told the Global Times previously.

Joining the Z-20 is the modified Z-8G large transport helicopter displayed at the Fifth China Helicopter Exposition held in Tianjin in October.

Focusing on plateau operations, the Z-8G is the first of its kind in China and can take off from 4,500 meters above sea level with a ceiling higher than 6,000 meters.

At Airshow China 2018, the Chinese Air Force unveiled the GJ-2 armed reconnaissance drone, which has a higher ceiling and can carry more payload than the previous GJ-1. Reports said it can be used to patrol the long border in high-altitude areas like Tibet.

These specially designed weapons have boosted the Chinese military's combat capabilities in high-altitude regions, enabling it to better safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity, Chinese analysts said.

Border incidents have recently occurred between troops of China and India.

Chinese border defense troops have bolstered border control measures and made necessary moves in response to India's recent, illegal construction of defense facilities across the border into Chinese territory in the Galwan Valley region in May.

Indian media reports said China recently deployed 5,000 more troops to the border area with India, and diplomats of the two countries have started talks on a peaceful resolution.

Chinese Defense Ministry spokesperson Ren Guoqiang said Friday at a regular press conference that the Chinese border defense troops are devoted to safeguarding peace and stability in the border regions and that the overall situation along China-India border was stable and under control.

The two countries are capable of resolving border issues through dialogue and negotiations, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs said on Wednesday.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1190083.shtml

 

[ozranger]

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