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JanaJi: I join you in expressing regret for the loss of life, but will say that the final determination of the legality of the situation is yet to be made, given that the investigation is not yet complete.

What is clear is the anger and frustration of the general population that has been brought out by this incident against USA.

I understand and appreciate those causes too, but will point out that quite a lot of the blame lies fairly and squarely on the Pakistani government and military, and the so-called elite, for selling out their own country and countrymen, not the foreign puppet masters.
Keep the pressure up... Even if they are lying our officials should go on the record on saying "Not guilty". Many times they just let the case fade away, which is not right.

Once they say not guilty and tomorrow something comes up, they might be held responsible especially if they knowingly ignored any piece of evidence. These things are not so much about hanging the American, but more about setting our own house in order.
 
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International laws, oh we'll be really sorry about it if we break em... If any link can be found that he was funding the terrorists and not being robbed by them, then it should be investigated.

It's just 8 days of judicial remand, I don't see the UN General Assembly being moved on these 8 days of us bending the rules.

The two robbers fit the pattern of using robbery, attempted robbery of Mr. Davis, as a means of the two terrorist/robbers raising money for the Taliban and al Qaida.

You may want to read over many inside Pakistan on the Internet newspapers to see where all sorts of robberies, kidnappings for ransome, and such are being used by the Taliban and al Qaida to self fund their terror campaigns against the people, the military, and the Government of Pakistan.

Trying to get mad over two robbers, who just carried out the robbery of an innocent Pakistani shortly, same day, before attempting to rob and shoot Mr. Davis, the American Diplomat, is a sick joke. You are now faced with talking to yourself in a mirrow as the world at large knows better, reading the January 29, 2011 KARACHI DAWN; THE LONDON GUARDIAN; THE NEW YORK TIMES; THE WASHINGTON POST; and other media outlets.

Meanwhile where is the huge volume of sorry and condolences for the innocent native Paksitanis killed by a suicide bomber right there in Lahore the day before the attack on Mr. Davis, with scores more of innocent Paksitanis maimed and wounded for life? The inconsistency of genuine condolences and funeral prayers for the murdered scores of Pakistanis killed by a fellow Pakistani Muslim terrorist suicide bomber murderer is a sad, sad commentary...while jumping to false conclusions for the law and order shooting of two crooks, two robbers, whose robberies as likely as not were being used to help fund terrorism, the Taliban and al Qaida.
 
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The two robbers fit the pattern of using robbery, attempted robbery of Mr. Davis, as a means of the two terrorist/robbers raising money for the Taliban and al Qaida.

Actually they fit the pattern of common thieves, my school friend too was a victim of such a crime. They are muggers, dude, not everything can be linked to the AQ / terrorism bogey. This is not 2001 any more :P

You may want to read over many inside Pakistani on the Internet newspapers to see where all sorts of robberies, kidnappings for ransome, and such are being used by the Taliban and al Qaida to self fund their terror campaigns against the people, the military, and the Government of Pakistan.

Yeah like the colonel Imam case, where they kidnapped him took him to FATA and then demanded money. AQ and Taliban are getting sufficient money from charities around the world. They really don't need to do these things on the streets of Lahore - they don't need to do petty theft.

Trying to get mad over two robbers, who just carried out the robbery of an innocent Pakistani shortly, same day, before attempting to rob and shoot Mr. Davis, the American Diplomat, is a sick joke. You are now faced with talking to yourself in a mirrow as the world at large knows better, reading the January 29, 2011 KARACHI DAWN; THE LONDON GUARDIAN; THE NEW YORK TIMES; THE WASHINGTON POST; and other media outlets.
Btw, its The Dawn. If you're reading the Karachi Dawn, then I don't know which knock off version you're reading and perhaps thats causing you some issues.

Meanwhile where is the huge volume of sorry and condolences for the innocent native Paksitanis killed by a suicide bomber right there in Lahore the day before the attack on Mr. Davis, with scores more of innocent Paksitanis maimed and wounded for life? The inconsistently of genuine condolences and funeral prayers is a sad, sad commentary...while jumping to false conclusions for the law and order shooting of two crooks, two robbers, whose robberies as likely as not were being used to help fund terrorism, the Taliban and al Qaida.

If you're just repeating the Terrorism mantra thinking that would work, it might just go against Davis... People in Pakistan would be thinking, Ah so he had links with terrorists?

If you believe Davis's story, they were more likely petty criminals, who tried their luck with a white man exiting an ATM booth.
 
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I'll be blunt, it has been theorized, Americans are using their ex-CIA/Special Forces people / Blackwater / XE types to support terrorism in Pakistan.

Its not proven, its not even believed, but its suspected.

Thus it must be investigated, whether he was really a victim or was making a pay-off and it went bad.

He claims he was followed from the ATM, the ATM cam should have picked it up then. Some CCTV should have picked something up. I'm from Lahore, and Mozang Chungi is not a place I'd expect to see Foreigners casually roaming about.
 
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This was in yesterday dawn newspaper;

"A senior police officer told Dawn that Raymond David was among four people who were detained by security personnel near Lahores Sherpao Bridge on Dec 9, 2009, when they were trying to enter the Cantonment area in a vehicle with tinted glasses. They were armed with sophisticated weapons. The intervention of the US consu late led to their release, the officer recalled.

“No member of a diplomatic mission in a country is allowed to carry arms.

Only security personnel are permitted to do so and that too after informing the local security authorities in ad vance regarding their movement,” he said."


http://epaper.dawn.com/Default.aspx?selpg=2260
 
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This was in yesterday dawn newspaper;

"A senior police officer told Dawn that Raymond David was among four people who were detained by security personnel near Lahores Sherpao Bridge on Dec 9, 2009, when they were trying to enter the Cantonment area in a vehicle with tinted glasses. They were armed with sophisticated weapons. The intervention of the US consu late led to their release, the officer recalled.

“No member of a diplomatic mission in a country is allowed to carry arms.

Only security personnel are permitted to do so and that too after informing the local security authorities in ad vance regarding their movement,” he said."


Dawn ePaper
Yeah I seem to recall that incident... S-2 made a huge issue about how this would prevent his people from doing their job.
 
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This was in yesterday dawn newspaper;

"A senior police officer told Dawn that Raymond David was among four people who were detained by security personnel near Lahores Sherpao Bridge on Dec 9, 2009, when they were trying to enter the Cantonment area in a vehicle with tinted glasses. They were armed with sophisticated weapons. The intervention of the US consu late led to their release, the officer recalled.

“No member of a diplomatic mission in a country is allowed to carry arms.

Only security personnel are permitted to do so and that too after informing the local security authorities in ad vance regarding their movement,” he said."


Dawn ePaper


now you got it why he fire?????/ yes he is.......? now rehman malik should resign :P
 
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US calls for immediate release of diplomat in Pakistan | DAWN.COM | Latest news, Breaking news, Pakistan News, World news, business, sport and multimedia

ISLAMABAD: The United States on Saturday called for the immediate release of a US diplomat it said was unlawfully detained by Pakistani authorities in Lahore, its embassy in Islamabad said.

The man, previously described just as a consulate employee, is being held in police custody over Thursday’s shooting that resulted in the deaths of two men he said he killed in self-defence.

“When detained, the US diplomat identified himself to police as a diplomat and repeatedly requested immunity under the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations,” the embassy said in a statement.

It added, “Local police and senior authorities failed to observe their legal obligation to verify his status with either the US consulate general in Lahore or the US embassy in Islamabad”.

“Furthermore, the diplomat was formally arrested and remanded into custody, which is a violation of international norms and the Vienna Convention, to which Pakistan is a signatory.”

The man, named as Raymond Davis and described by the US State Department as an American civilian working for the US consulate in Lahore, was held at a police station on double murder charges over the deaths of two motorcyclists.

A third Pakistani was crushed to death by a consulate car that went to help Davis following the shooting in a busy street in the eastern city on Thursday.

“The diplomat, assigned to the US embassy in Islamabad, has a US diplomatic passport and Pakistani visa valid until June 2012,” the statement said.

Recalling the events that led to Davis’s arrest, it said the diplomat acted in self-defence when confronted by two armed men on motorcycles.

“The diplomat had every reason to believe that the armed men meant him bodily harm. Minutes earlier, the two men, who had criminal backgrounds, had robbed money and valuables at gunpoint from a Pakistani citizen in the same area.”

The embassy expressed regret that “this incident resulted in loss of life” and said it was “committed to working closely with the Pakistani government to secure the immediate release of the diplomat, as required under Pakistani and international law”.

Meanwhile, the US consulate on Saturday denied immediate access to the car and its driver who overran and killed Pakistani citizen Abdul Rehman on Qartaba chowk during the shooting incident.

According to sources, Lahore Police tried to access the driver and other people who were sitting in the car at the time of the incident by writing a letter to the US Consulate. However, the consulate denied the authorities immediate access.

A day earlier, provincial law minister Rana Sanaullah told the media that access would be given to the car and the people who were seated in it by Friday evening.

Moreover, Barrister Javed Iqbal requested Chief Justice Lahore High Court Ejaz Chaudhry in a letter to stop the US official from leaving the country.

A court on Friday handed over Davis to the police on a six day physical remand.

The incident sparked several small protests across the country on Friday, a sign of the anti-American sentiment that is already running high partly because of a covert US drone campaign in the northwest tribal areas that has provoked deadly revenge attacks by militants.
 
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This was in yesterday dawn newspaper;

"A senior police officer told Dawn that Raymond David


You lost your credibility when you failed to use his correct published name, which is Raymond DAVIS.

This has been a recent theme seeking to stir up Anti-Semitism on this topic. Mr. Davis is a native of Florida in the USA
and is most likely
a Protestant, a Christian, to be clear on that point.
 
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"for the immediate release of a US diplomat it said was unlawfully detained by Pakistani authorities"

what is unlawfully? How twisiting!

This remind me, extradiction of Viktor Bout, Russian arm dealer, bought to US soil.

Russia responded immediately on the arrest of Bout: unlawful and illegal !
 
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Pakistan says law must take its course in U.S. diplomat case


lol they accept him as diplomat now forget LAW:bunny::bunny:

Please remember that misquotes and mis-statements are rife in Pakistani journalism.

You do make an important point, but only if the statement is verified to have been correctly reported and is officially sanctioned.
 
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Lahore Shootings: As The Case Unfolds, The Mystery Deepens

ISLAMABAD/LAHORE: As the US diplomatic machinery moved to calm a brewing storm over Thursday’s shooting incident in Lahore involving an official attached to its consulate, peculiar details are trickling in regarding the exact identity of the man.

US Ambassador Cameron Munter is learnt to have met Foreign Secretary Salman Basheer, requesting the federal government’s intervention in the case of US official Raymond Allen Davis, who gunned down two young motorcyclists near Lahore’s Qurtaba Chowk in apparent self-defence. The case is currently being handled by the Punjab government, and Davis has been remanded into police custody for six days, according to police officials, by a magistrate.

Munter, according to well-placed sources, is said to have brought up the Geneva Convention, under which diplomats are allowed diplomatic immunity. The provincial government has so far refused to bring the international protocol into play. Other diplomats are also learnt to have tried to contact the Punjab government.

The Foreign Office is learnt to have contacted the Punjab government requesting case details. There has also been a meeting between Chief of Army Staff Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and Interior Minister Rehman Malik regarding the matter. Gen. Kayani is said to have advised Malik to handle the matter with ‘extreme care’ given its sensitive nature. He also advised that, aside from the apparent diplomatic links, Davis’ military links should also be kept in mind as the case moves forward.

Also discussed was the law and order situation that could arise if Davis is granted immunity.

Who is Davis?

Meanwhile, intelligence data shows that Davis has visited Pakistan nine times since 2009.

According to records available with The Express Tribune, Allen Davis, aged 37, visited Pakistan for the first time on October 18, 2009, landing in Islamabad. His last entry into Pakistan was on January 20, 2011, when he landed in Lahore’s Allama Iqbal International Airport.

Davis travelled using a regular passport, on which he had regular visit visas. There was no diplomatic passport.
Insiders say that Davis was performing duties as a technical advisor serving in the Intelligence and Security Wings of the US Embassy in Islamabad and the consulate in Lahore. He also made frequent visits to Karachi and Peshawar. The police are said to have recovered an identity card from Davis for the US’ Peshawar consulate.

Pakistani intelligence agencies have so far not reached any conclusion and had not submitted a report regarding the incident till the filing of this report. However, initial data suggests that police or other security/intelligence agencies had no record or intimation of Davis’ movement or participation in official events since he first arrived in Pakistan in 2009.
According to policy guidelines and security advisory issued by the Foreign and Interior Ministries, US officials are, for their own security, not meant to move around without informing security officials due to the terror threat in the country. The vehicle Davis was driving was locally-registered, and did not have diplomatic number plates.

Initial reports revolved around a possible looting attempt by the men on the motorcycles, to which Davis is said to have retaliated. Conversely, some reports rejected the robbery bid. However, it is unclear what would have provoked Davis to open fire.

A new angle to the incident, submitted in a statement by Davis himself, has it that the vehicle he was driving had had a minor collision with a Rickshaw a little before the incident. Therefore, if not a robbery, the two men could have chased the vehicle to argue with the driver.

Tristram Perry, the information officer of the US Consulate in Lahore, did not answer queries regarding Davis’ immunity, saying that he has been requested by Islamabad to not comment on the incident. “We are working with Pakistani authorities to determine the facts and work toward a resolution,” he said

FIRs against the deceased

Meanwhile, though it was initially reported that the two deceased motorcyclists had no criminal record, the police registered FIRs against them posthumously on Friday, police sources told The Express Tribune.

The complainants, Doctor Farzand and Sheharyar Malik, in a written application, state that the two had robbed them of their mobiles and cash just before the incident and were fleeing.

As evidence, the two have referred to phone logs of calls made to Rescue 1-5 about the incident right after it happened. The police say that two mobile phones were recovered from the deceased which matched the description of those the applicants had complained to 1-5 had been stolen.

However, the police had also shown the recovery of foreign currency from the deceased, which they say had also been looted. On the other hand, there is yet to be a complaint regarding the theft of foreign currency on the day of the incident.

In the FIR registered against Davis, the police have also included charges of carrying an illegal weapon – a Glock pistol and two magazines. The police also recovered a digital camera, a phone tracker with a charger.
Conversely, the police so far have no information about the other vehicle that came to rescue Davis and crushed a motorcyclist – Ibadullah – in the process. After killing the man, the vehicle fled from the scene. Davis did not disclose who was heading to his rescue, but did tell the police that, after the incident, he telephoned his Regional Security Officer who might have sent some officials for his rescue.

A police officer, on condition of anonymity, said that they had, through the Lahore Capital City Police Officer, sent a formal request to Pakistan’s foreign office to contact the US Consulate to identify those in the vehicle for their arrest.
The security of the US consulate has meanwhile been increased in light of increasing protests against the incident, The Express Tribune has learnt.

Lahore shootings: As the case unfolds, the mystery deepens – The Express Tribune
 
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May the Dead Rest in Peace

May the injured recover quickly

The justice should take its course. This issue is not about Nationality or Religion. The matter should be investigated without any prejudice towards any of the people involved.

I do not think any rational and self respecting American will support a criminal if proven guilty in the court of law.

US has asked for the custody of the US national but Nawaz Sharif according to GEO NEWS has said the matter is in court and law must take its course.:pakistan::usflag:
 
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Punjab police also must check the link between recent blast in Lahore and Davis & his cooperators in or outside US consulate.
 
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