Raymond Davis Case: Arraignment for twin murder tomorrow

[nirreich]

Davis should face justice .

I agree, so what is the big problem of him facing it in the US?

 

[nirreich]

you all can see the misleading behavior of USA embassy as they don't want to tell anything about who work in embassy. how can they say something like this? even a small company can show who worked with them in past. they only say lies and Gov of Pakistan and ISI will get this record straight finally but its showing how hypocrite these USA embassy people are.... and then these innocent American people on this forums thinks that their Gov only tells them true things......and world most innocent Gov is of USA....

No embassy in the world reveal publicly its entire staff. Not even the Pakistani one...

 

[Leviza]

I agree, so what is the big problem of him facing it in the US?

VERY BIG problem, we Pakistanis do not trust USA system after Dr. Afia case, and after looking at what sort of punishment USA army personal given when having proved crimes in IRAQ War ........

he is not going any where he is a killer and will face justice in Lahore Pakistan.....
BTW israel have nothing to do with this case i guess

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No embassy in the world reveal publicly its entire staff. Not even the Pakistani one...

yes maybe you are right but they should give such information to courts and Pakistani investigations agencies

 

[nirreich]

VERY BIG problem, we Pakistanis do not trust USA system after Dr. Afia case, and after looking at what sort of punishment USA army personal given when having proved crimes in IRAQ War ........

he is not going any where he is a killer and will face justice in Lahore Pakistan.....
BTW israel have nothing to do with this case i guess

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yes maybe you are right but they should give such information to courts and Pakistani investigations agencies

That is the main problem, that you do not trust the US, not all this nonsense of immunity. Pakistan's public mistrust in the US is not a strong or valid argument for not sentencing Davis in the US. You know, there is a good chance that he is not guilty and acted out of self defence.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Raymond is a CIA Agent.

Pakistan is a sovereign country and foreign agents, even if allowed, must work within rules of the country in which they are operating with the permission of the host country.

Gunslinging in the wild west style is dangerous for good relationship.

I believe blood money is being contemplated to free Raymond.

If that is acceptable, then the case will be history and the US Pakistan relationship normalised.

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I agree, so what is the big problem of him facing it in the US?

I presume because the crime was committed in Pakistan.

 

[Rafael]

That is it? In Pakistan's relative terms and comparing to what others did and were never been punished (or lightly punished), Davis is practically a saint.

Davis shot two armed men, probably out of self defence. Yes he is a CIA agent, so what? and if he was a Chinese agent with fake number plates who shot two armed people? Would you be so troubled about his legal procedure and the technicality of his diplomatic immunity?

When was the last time you heard something regarding a Chinese citizen involved in ANY misconduct in Pakistan? now please don't say that because they are Chinese, the matter never gets on to the media And if anybody is involved in a crime, be it a Chinese, American, Indian or Moroccan; He/She must go under due legal process.

 

[fida jan]

That is the main problem, that you do not trust the US, not all this nonsense of immunity. Pakistan's public mistrust in the US is not a strong or valid argument for not sentencing Davis in the US. You know, there is a good chance that he is not guilty and acted out of self defence.

a terrorist supports other terrorist, what a surprise, btw its imperative your mossad guys are exposed and arrested in turkey or else where.. you covert ops dont remain too covert nowadays..

 

[nirreich]

Raymond is a CIA Agent.

Pakistan is a sovereign country and foreign agents, even if allowed, must work within rules of the country in which they are operating with the permission of the host country.

Gunslinging in the wild west style is dangerous for good relationship.

I believe blood money is being contemplated to free Raymond.

If that is acceptable, then the case will be history and the US Pakistan relationship normalised.

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I presume because the crime was committed in Pakistan.

My main problem is with the public outcry because he is an American.

 

[nirreich]

a terrorist supports other terrorist, what a surprise, btw its imperative your mossad guys are exposed and arrested in turkey or else where.. you covert ops dont remain too covert nowadays..

Yes, you are right. The US is a terror state, Israel is a terror state, only Pakistan does not even know what terrorism is.

And I can see you have already convicted Davis, no need to wait for the court.

 

[Patriot]

In 1998, the wife of a senior North Korean Diplomat was shot dead in Islamabad. The government claimed that she was shot in a domestic spat, but her husband, the economic counsellor in the North Korean embassy, was never brought on trial, not even arrested. And of course there was not any outcry in Pakistan's public about this injustice.

Maybe because this NK diplomat helped Pakistan with its missile programme.

Davis made a mistake - he is an American, he did not help Pakistan with its WMD programmes, so he was arrested and the public wants him executed.

Regarding the Chinese, it is known that they are all over Pakistan making sure that no Oygurs are trained and equip themselves for an arm struggle in Xingiang. Furthermore, I am quite sure they collect information in Pakistan and maintain agents as they usually operate in almost any country they have diplomatic mission.

Re the Noko Incident the guy shot his own wife (Read: Not Pakistani).That incident has no resemblance to Raymond Davis affair at all.
So you present your point by giving conspiracy theories that Chinese are spying on all Pakistanis and Chinese spies are roaming in all parts of the country.You should work for Hollywood.Yes they must have agents but no they are not roaming around going on a killing spree like that douche-bag Davis.

 

[Leviza]

That is the main problem, that you do not trust the US, not all this nonsense of immunity. Pakistan's public mistrust in the US is not a strong or valid argument for not sentencing Davis in the US. You know, there is a good chance that he is not guilty and acted out of self defence.

He is not guilty then he will be free but if the USA wants not to face courts then thats prove him guilty to some extent...
so face the court is the best option....

Also he killed 2 people in public and police reports shows that if its a self defense case even then he didnt had any right to kill them because they didn't point gun towards him

BTW what about that person who got killed by USA consulate CAR ? do you want to say anything about that ? and do you want to take USA side to take its people out and didnt hand over car and driver to police?

That will show me if you like justice or just want USA side for no reasons whatsoever.........

 

[Solomon2]

Am I on your ignore list, Leviza, or is it simply that you find that you have nothing to say in response? link

 

[Awesome]

My main problem is with the public outcry because he is an American.

You can choose to believe in the convictions of your "main problem" or you can hear what I have to say.

I have long advocated Pakistanis to adopt secularism, freedom and democracy. In good conscience, I can't stop them from being subservient to radical ideologies without also showing them that they don't need to be subservient to US dictates either.

Its all about freedom and in todays Pakistan its America and the terrorists that are both taking away our freedoms. So this issue is not something dumb like lets piss off the Americans... Its about attaining Pakistan's freedom!

 

[Leviza]

Am I on your ignore list, Leviza, or is it simply that you find that you have nothing to say in response? link

Thanks for the reminder but no one is on my ignore list as i dont have any such list my friend.

I am not sure if you know where the case is going now your question is not valid now. as USA Embassy failed to provide any such documents that he was working in US embassy in what capacity....plus he himself state that he is a worker to Lahore consulate and Lahore consulate also admits it, its just after that when they realize the mistake they started saying he is working in ISB embassy....... i am sure these all things are in front of court and they will do justice. and as American/Pakistani/etc we should make sure our Gov. fair game and eliminate those factors which can become hurdle in justice.

Also the Pakistani FO said they do not have any such documents for him which shows that he worked in embassy. he came on business VISA , i hope you have by now seen a copy of his visa.

further to this if you see last few pages someone come up with very nice list of USA personals who got VISA and on USA request without following normal security procedures by Musharaf people (USA puppets)

 

[Solomon2]

USA Embassy failed to provide any such documents that he was working in US embassy in what capacity....plus he himself state that he is a worker to Lahore consulate...Also the Pakistani FO said they do not have any such documents for him which shows that he worked in embassy. he came on business VISA!...someone come up with very nice list of USA personals...

It's like a broken record!

1) Whatever else is added to the mix to confuse matters does not affect Davis' immunity status, just inflammatory public opinion.

2) The U.S. says Davis has diplomatic immunity. What Davis says doesn't matter because it isn't up to himself to decide.

3) The F.O. has gone so far as to admit that the U.S. government requested and the F.O. granted Davis another kind of visa after Davis was in the country. That visa could only be diplomatic or consular.

4) By the 1961 treaty the burden of proof is upon the Pakistani F.O. which needs to demonstrate that they rejected the U.S. claim of diplomatic immunity, yet the F.O. has not done so.