Rapping for freedom and the end of communism in Vietnam

[NiceGuy]

so we could have three party: Labour, Socialist and Democratic Party.

Maybe, during VN war, the Democratic Party still exist in North VN.

 

[Rechoice]

Maybe, during VN war, the Democratic Party still exist in North VN.

Brother of my oma is members Democratic Party. But long after retired he awarded the emblem for 50 year member of VCP ( 50 nam tuoi dang) from Communist Party.

 

[NiceGuy]

Brother of my oma is members Democratic Party. But long after retired he awarded the emblem for 50 year member of VCP ( 50 nam tuoi dang) from Communist Party.

Yeah, my house was next to the head office of Democratic Party. Thats why I also remember the North VN democratic party so well

 

[vtnsx]

Yeah, my house was next to the head office of Democratic Party. Thats why I also remember the North VN democratic party so well

Yo, can you tell them to change regime quickly? like tomorrow? I need to invest in Vietnam.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Whatever, most of VNese dont like VCP now, u soon will see VN bombing & shelling to CN soil like in Myanmar. VCP simply can't stay for long when its people turn their back to VCP

Without VCP, China won't be hesitated to bomb Vietnam back into the stone age anymore.

No more socialist brotherhood, just another capitalist lackey country.

When CPC vs VCP, it is the Socialist China vs the Socialist Vietnam, China knows the limit and won't fight without any mercy.

However, when it is the Socialist China vs the Capitalist Vietnam, China will absolutely show no mercy.

 

[hans]

VCP is in hard situation...
Also China treat VN according to China`s national interest, not be cause VCP is a socialist country.
That is why China is so good with capitalism SK but poor with socialist NK.

Anyway if VCP falls down, VN may fall into two piece..
We will be friendly to the part that is friendly to China.
If the other part is not so friendly, we can use economy ways to contain it.
Military action is the last action to be taken.

Without VCP, China won't be hesitated to bomb Vietnam back into the stone age anymore.

No more socialist brotherhood, just another capitalist lackey country.

When CPC vs VCP, it is the Socialist China vs the Socialist Vietnam, China knows the limit and won't fight without any mercy.

However, when it is the Socialist China vs the Capitalist Vietnam, China will show no mercy.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

VCP is in hard situation...
Also China treat VN according to China`s national interest, not be cause VCP is a socialist country.
That is why China is so good with capitalism SK but poor with socialist NK.

Anyway if VCP falls down, VN may fall into two piece..
We will be friendly to the part that is friendly to China.
If the other part is not so friendly, we can use economy ways to contain it.
Military action is the last action to be taken.

The socialist Vietnam can be ultra-nationalist and anti-China, but the capitalist Vietnam will be even more anti-China.

As a united Vietnam, the socialist Vietnam would be the lesser devil of the two.

If the capitalist Vietnam is trying to make a return, then you are right, China should make North Vietnam to become a buffer zone and to also sponsor the separatism of the minority groups within Vietnam.

 

[HariPrasad]

Good to see Vietnam political collapse. Since they are already enemies of China, we should help them kill each other. Reduce Vietnam population to 10% of present level from war, starvation and disease. Then China attack and force them to live in the jungle as indigenous tribals. Chinese will settle in the agricultural lands.

It seems that china is too weak. It has to wait till Vietnam population is down to 10% to attack vietnam.
And from where did you get this idea of starve to death? From 4 pest campaign of Mao, Who starved 20 million chinese to death?

 

[hans]

In general capitalist are more likely to compromise for economy benefit.
Thus it may have better relationship with China.

But does it matters if capitalist VN is anti or pro China?
They are too small to make any difference..
We have plenty of method to contain VN, from economy, politics to finally military/

The socialist Vietnam can be ultra-nationalist and anti-China, but the capitalist Vietnam will be even more anti-China.

As a united Vietnam, the socialist Vietnam would be the lesser devil of the two.

If the capitalist Vietnam is trying to make a return, then you are right, China should make North Vietnam to become a buffer zone and to also sponsor the separatism of the minority groups within Vietnam.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

In general capitalist are more likely to compromise for economy benefit.
Thus it may have better relationship with China.

But does it matters if capitalist VN is anti or pro China?
They are too small to make any difference..
We have plenty of method to contain VN, from economy, politics to finally military/

Nope, some capitalists are close to fascists. For example, Abe's government and the current junta government in Ukraine.

By judging the hatred of the Viet ultra-nationalists against China, the new rise capitalist Vietnam will be most likely anti-China by extreme.

Their attitude will be close to the suicidal troublemaker which can still cause trouble to us, so it is better to split them into pieces and to make the northern part as our real buffer zone.

 

[hans]

As I said, even VN is extremely anti China, we do not care..
We have plenty of method to contain them.

Nope, some capitalists are close to fascists. For example, Abe's government and the current junta government in Ukraine.
By judging the hatred of the Viet ultra-nationalists against China, the new rise capitalist Vietnam will be most likely anti-China by extreme.
Their attitude will be close to the suicidal troublemaker which can still cause trouble to us, so it is better to split them into pieces and to make the northern part as our real buffer zone.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As I said, even VN is extremely anti China, we do not care..
We have plenty of method to contain them.

They are too small to do any major damage to us, but we have much more important thing to take care of, and we don't have any time to waste with those small nations.

It is better for VCP to stay in power, since VCP is like the current CPC, which are some of the most pragmatic socialist government in the world, which are much more pragmatic than many capitalist governments who still prefer to enforce their ideology on other nations.

There is only one major difference between VCP and CPC is that VCP is not as competent as CPC, so when VCP got problem in their economy, they will start to play the ultra-nationalist card in order to divert the attention of the economic failure.

 

[NiceGuy]

Without VCP, China won't be hesitated to bomb Vietnam back into the stone age anymore.

No more socialist brotherhood, just another capitalist lackey country.

When CPC vs VCP, it is the Socialist China vs the Socialist Vietnam, China knows the limit and won't fight without any mercy.

However, when it is the Socialist China vs the Capitalist Vietnam, China will absolutely show no mercy.

Its a waste to talk wt oversea CNese like u coz they only want un unstable CN so they can get a chance to become an US's puppet like TW

They are too small to do any major damage to us, but we have much more important thing to take care of, and we don't have any time to waste with those small nations.

It is better for VCP to stay in power, since VCP is like the current CPC, which are some of the most pragmatic socialist government in the world, which are much more pragmatic than many capitalist governments who still prefer to enforce their ideology on other nations.

There is only one major difference between VCP and CPC is that VCP is not as competent as CPC, so when VCP got problem in their economy, they will start to play the ultra-nationalist card in order to divert the attention of the economic failure.

U r not mainland CN, and u dont care when poor CNese die in Myanmar border, so U r not counted as honorable CNese like LittleFish here

 

[Soryu]

NiceGuy's statement contradicts with yours, @Soryu .

Nobody is dreaming about a "color revolution" in Vietnam. But I see most members are "warning" you about a color revolution because, US regime can live with fascism, but not with Communism.

And your own countryman said VCP can in fact be reformed internally in order to appease the US regime.

I guess if that is done, that would be the last nail on Vietnam, perhaps a few steps before internal crisis in Vietnam.

Pragmatically, I like to see Vietnam to stay united and under the VCP. But, friendship with the US (or even partnership under a security or economic framework) and a communist system in Vietnam is mutually exclusive in the long run. One of them would have to go. And I am not sure which one has more resources and more resilient.

Lol, you don't understand my words.
If VCP could changes itself to be a better shape, in peaceful way and more democratic, so let it be.
But there will not has kind of "color revolution" like Syrian or Ukraine for you happy.

 

[biendong]

Ha ha, oversea Chinese members are more pro VCP than local Vietnamese in Vietnam. LOL.