Ram Mandir in Ayodhya

[possumlot]

He doesn't have the tact (read brain) to promote his twisted agenda, see his comments, he is too frank and doesn't even try a bit to hide is eccentricity,...

Modi is smart thats why he doesnt give any position to Dr.Swamy, he is too tactless...

Dr.Swamy doesnt have the brains of Amit Shah, he is just more popular version of Togadia...

Dr.Swamy cannot contribute anything good for this country..

And regarding SL Tamils I think you are too uninformed.. do read about TNA govt and their demads for equal rights that has been turned down by Rajapakse..
Nothing good can happen from him..

If you are so bothered about friendly neighbours, surely Independednt tamil ealam makes better neighbour than Singhalese SL

Dr. Swamy is quite successful in promoting his agenda considering the fact the Modi, a Hindutva icon, is the PM of India

Dr. Sawmy does not have any cabinet position because in the Modi cabinet because Modi has clearly declared that no one above the age of 75 will be given a seat. Dr. Swamyy will turn 75 on Sept 15. (20 days from now) It did not make sense to make him a minster for 3 months. That is the same reason Dr. Murli manohar joshi has no cabinet seat either.

Dr. Swamy is a trained economist who has published papers with Economic Nobel prize winners, something which even Man Mohan singh has not done till date. He is also a Supreme Court lawyer of repute. Amit Shah is neither.

Dr. Swamy and Amit shah are both in different line of work, and there is no comparing them. its Apples to oranges.

Here is the list of Dr. Swamy's prominent contribution to India,

1. Fight against Emergency imposed by Indira Gandhi. He was one of the hero's of the emergency.
2. Successfully negotiated with China and opened up Mansarover pilgrimage site in Tibet for Hindu pilgrims. It was the fist step in normalizing relationship with China.
3. Creating the Blue print for economic reforms in India in 1990-91 which was implemented by MMS in 1991.
4. Instrumental in setting up diplomatic relaionship with Israel. He was the FIRST Indian politician to make a publicised visit to Israel.
5. He's the one who single handedly fought against corruption by Jayalalathi and gave up only when he was convinced she has changed.
6. Expose 2G scam and help prosecute the accused.
7. Fought and won in the SC the provision which barred CBI from investigating corruption charges against officers of the rank of joint secretary and above without prior permission of the Govt of India.
8. Instrumental in protecting and preserving Ram Sethu when DMK was trying to demolish it.
9. Instrumental in fighting for Temple rights and won the landmark case against TN govt. which gave back trustee ship of Chidambaram Temple back to its traditional trustees.


He is one of the greatest sons of TN. Even if TN does not recognize him, the rest of India will.


Dr. Swamy has done more for India than a 100 of you put together can do. That is just as true.

 

[Indischer]

Part of the problem is that temples are controlled by the govt in India, and in fact it takes all the revenue (including donations) earned by the temple and any other assets the temple might own. I think this needs to go. Swami was fighting case against this(refer here Freeing temples from state control - The Hindu) Since they take all the revenue, it's not totally unfair to expect the govt to fund the temple.

A govt that considers itself secular shouldn't really give Hajj subsidy either ( this is supposed to be ending by 2022).

True that....and I'm all for relinquishing this control. A Government has no business taking revenue from religious sites or providing subsidies to pilgrims.

 

[Indrani]

True that....and I'm all for relinquishing this control. A Government has no business taking revenue from religious sites or providing subsidies to pilgrims.

It cannot just relinquish. It must be made to account for the money it has collected from each temple and made to recompense. Whatever is the compensation money will be more than adequate to build thousands of Ram temples all over the country if need be.

 

[possumlot]

It cannot just relinquish. It must be made to account for the money it has collected from each temple and made to recompense. Whatever is the compensation money will be more than adequate to build thousands of Ram temples all over the country if need be.

You do realize that the govt. will then have to regurgitate money collected since 1863 when the act was first implemented

I suspect it will be quite an handsome amount

Not to mention the reversal of the land titles going back to the Temples. .... most land and institutions around temple cities and large temple will loose their legal standing.

 

[Indischer]

It cannot just relinquish. It must be made to account for the money it has collected from each temple and made to recompense. Whatever is the compensation money will be more than adequate to build thousands of Ram temples all over the country if need be.

That's a tall order though. Not even sure any Government is going to relinquish control over religious sites in the first place. Well and good if they're coughed out of the money they've squandered over the years as well.

 

[Sriram]

Dr. Swamy is quite successful in promoting his agenda considering the fact the Modi, a Hindutva icon, is the PM of India

Dr. Sawmy does not have any cabinet position because in the Modi cabinet because Modi has clearly declared that no one above the age of 75 will be given a seat. Dr. Swamyy will turn 75 on Sept 15. (20 days from now) It did not make sense to make him a minster for 3 months. That is the same reason Dr. Murli manohar joshi has no cabinet seat either.

Dr. Swamy is a trained economist who has published papers with Economic Nobel prize winners, something which even Man Mohan singh has not done till date. He is also a Supreme Court lawyer of repute. Amit Shah is neither.

Dr. Swamy and Amit shah are both in different line of work, and there is no comparing them. its Apples to oranges.

Here is the list of Dr. Swamy's prominent contribution to India,

1. Fight against Emergency imposed by Indira Gandhi. He was one of the hero's of the emergency.
2. Successfully negotiated with China and opened up Mansarover pilgrimage site in Tibet for Hindu pilgrims. It was the fist step in normalizing relationship with China.
3. Creating the Blue print for economic reforms in India in 1990-91 which was implemented by MMS in 1991.
4. Instrumental in setting up diplomatic relaionship with Israel. He was the FIRST Indian politician to make a publicised visit to Israel.
5. He's the one who single handedly fought against corruption by Jayalalathi and gave up only when he was convinced she has changed.
6. Expose 2G scam and help prosecute the accused.
7. Fought and won in the SC the provision which barred CBI from investigating corruption charges against officers of the rank of joint secretary and above without prior permission of the Govt of India.
8. Instrumental in protecting and preserving Ram Sethu when DMK was trying to demolish it.
9. Instrumental in fighting for Temple rights and won the landmark case against TN govt. which gave back trustee ship of Chidambaram Temple back to its traditional trustees.


He is one of the greatest sons of TN. Even if TN does not recognize him, the rest of India will.


Dr. Swamy has done more for India than a 100 of you put together can do. That is just as true.

Najmah Heptullah was 74 years old when she took oath

As i said you are gullible and easy fooled by propaganda and emotionally enticing stories, in which Dr.Swamy excels, thats why we tamils didn't fall for him

but i don't blame you, lots of Indians are like you too..

I suggest you start reading and also thinking.. copy pasting is NOT a skill, analyzing is..

 

[Indrani]

You do realize that the govt. will then have to regurgitate money collected since 1863 when the act was first implemented

I suspect it will be quite an handsome amount

Not to mention the reversal of the land titles going back to the Temples. .... most land and institutions around temple cities and large temple will loose their legal standing.

It should be a threat held out to people who say the govt should not spend any money on building of the temple. The govt has been a thief and a looter of Hindu temples. For the millions of crime it has committed against the Hindus and their religious institution, even if a token help is grudged, there should be no backing away from Hindus either.

That's a tall order though. Not even sure any Government is going to relinquish control over religious sites in the first place. Well and good if they're coughed out of the money they've squandered over the years as well.

The govt has been made to relinquish control over the temples in TN by SC order. If the same precedence is applied else where, then half a million temples stand to be freed.

 

[possumlot]

It should be a threat held out to people who say the govt should not spend any money on building of the temple. The govt has been a thief and a looter of Hindu temples. For the millions of crime it has committed against the Hindus and their religious institution, even if a token help is grudged, there should be no backing away from Hindus either.

The govt has been made to relinquish control over the temples in TN by SC order. If the same precedence is applied else where, then half a million temples stand to be freed.

There has to be a limitation period for seeking compensation and reparation. Indian history can go back to 1000 year and still find looting of temples and denial of rights. Its not practical.

Najmah Heptullah was 74 years old when she took oath

As i said you are gullible and easy fooled by propaganda and emotionally enticing stories, in which Dr.Swamy excels, thats why we tamils didn't fall for him

but i don't blame you, lots of Indians are like you too..

I suggest you start reading and also thinking.. copy pasting is NOT a skill, analyzing is..

She is rubber stamping "minority affairs ministry" which does nothing. She provides a convenient muslim face to the Modi govt. and also provides a women empowerment face to the govt. Dr. Swamy offers no such advantage. Neither did Dr. Murli Manohar Joshi.

I have considered your 'advice' and have decided to throw it into the dustbin considering the intellect (or lack of it) and character of the man giving the advice.

Considering you fell for the sob story of a Terrorist called Prabhakaran .... the intelligence of the general Tamil population is best not discussed in an open forum

 

[Indrani]

There has to be a limitation period for seeking compensation and reparation. Indian history can go back to 1000 year and still find looting of temples and denial of rights. Its not practical.

Starting from 1947 would do.

 

[possumlot]

Starting from 1947 would do.

The temple managements are not well equipped to handle such a wind fall. But its about time govt. relinquished control. I have been saying this for the past many many years.

 

[Indrani]

The temple managements are not well equipped to handle such a wind fall. But its about time govt. relinquished control. I have been saying this for the past many many years.

The govt could release the fund in tranches. The temples direly need the money. The temples in TN had stopped performing even pujas because there was no money for it. Every temple site is a disaster slum zone. There are no facilities, bathrooms, travel houses. Nothing. A whole lot of them are falling in pieces because of ill maintenance.

 

[dray]

Go read forum rules again you fool. You need to be in the forum for a certain minimum number of days to be able to post links. Stop proving that your are an @ss.

Chauthi fail a$$h0le, copy those links to Paint, save it as JPEG, and attach it here. Or just mention the google search text and serial number of the link.

LOL.... what an absurd argument ..you are required to evidence the law that exists where temple ownership is transferred to the deity. Give us the pages from your own precious links.

Idiot, I said it doesn't get transferred automatically unless the owner does it, prove it otherwise.

If you own land and do a prana prathistha pooja and Consecrate that deity in the temple the that land ownership automatically transfers to the deity. Otherwise the trustees of the temple can always claim that the consercation was not done and try to sell the land ........Temple land can never to sold to another person. At worse you can only lease it. I have already given an example where the TN govt. forcible tried to take over ownership of the Chidambaram temple.

You are the one making the claims so the onus of the proof is on you .... don't Pikomatulegobiztik out of it. For all you blabbering, NOT ONE SHRED of evidence has been produced till date

What a worthless piece of crap, from where come the trustees if one doesn't appoint them? And temple land cannot be sold only when it is made Debottar, otherwise many people build temples in their home premises and later sell the land.

What do I care why you gave that example ....... but that example clearly demonstrates why shrines pop up all over the countryside to help lay claim to that land. In Mumbai, next to Hiranandani gardens there is a hanuman temple RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the Road. Nobody can move it because the priests claim that the land and temple belongs to the deity. You will find millions of such examples all over India. Only you are selectively blind to the truth.

High courts of ALL states are filled with cases against such make shift "temples" that the municipality cannot move or demolish. Consult a good lawyer or just google it up.

Such makeshift temples are not touched for not hurting religious sentiments, and many of such makeshift temples are removed also if the government is not a populist one. If you go and set up a makeshift temple on someone's land and do a quick "Pran pratistha", that doesn't automatically transfer the land-owners title to the deity.

 

[possumlot]

The govt could release the fund in trenches. The temples direly need the money. The temples in TN had stopped performing even pujas because there was no money for it. Every temple site is a disaster slum zone. There are no facilities, bathrooms, travel houses. Nothing. A whole lot of them are falling in pieces because of ill maintenance.

This part I agree. There has to be some mechanism to partially give back the looted amount.

 

[possumlot]

Chauthi fail a$$h0le, copy those links to Paint, save it as JPEG, and attach it here. Or just mention the google search text and serial number of the link.

Why ? do you own homework.

Idiot, I said it doesn't get transferred automatically unless the owner does it, prove it otherwise.

You are the one who started making the idotic claims, the onus of the proof is on you ..... the Ram Lalla case in Ram Janmabhoomi verdict has already proved my point

What a worthless piece of crap, from where come the trustees if one doesn't appoint them? And temple land cannot be sold only when it is made Debottar, otherwise many people build temples in their home premises and later sell the land.

A shebait, or dharmakarta is self appointed or is appointed by the one who builds the temple. Usually the one doing the consecration. Deities at home are not Consecrated you fool. Even in rare cases when they are consecrated, they are not consecrated with the pooja room. That is why the murthy at private homes is carried away when the house is sold

Show me the word "debottar" in any Indian Law except for the Bengal state law .... you can start from there

Such makeshift temples are not touched for not hurting religious sentiments, and many of such makeshift temples are removed also if the government is not a populist one. If you go and set up a makeshift temple on someone's land and do a quick "Pran pratistha", that doesn't automatically transfer the land-owners title to the deity.

More LOL....it has nothing to do with "sentiments", it has everything to do with LAW. That is how the whole scam works. No scam works unless it can manipulate the loopholes in the law.


There is nothing more to prove. All your points have been proved wrong and you have provided NO evidence of ANY of your claims. I can see the you have cowardly ignored the MOST OBVIOUS example of Ram Lalla in the Ayodhya case becoming a legal owner without any registration whatsoever. Answer that question before replying any more to my other posts and wasting my time.

 

[dray]

Why ? do you own homework.

Just say that you have no understanding of law idiot.

You are the one who started making the idotic claims, the onus of the proof is on you ..... the Ram Lalla case in Ram Janmabhoomi verdict has already proved my point

Why? You will blabber all nonsense and I have to prove that your nonsense is non-existing? Ram Janmabhoomi case was an ancient structure with existing trustee, it was not someone's individual property.

A shebait, or dharmakarta is self appointed or is appointed by the one who builds the temple. Usually the one doing the consecration. Deities at home are not Consecrated you fool. Even in rare cases when they are consecrated, they are not consecrated with the pooja room. That is why the murthy at private homes is carried away when the house is sold

A Sebait is appointed and a trustee is formed by the owner once the owner decides to make the temple debottar, it's not that anybody who builds a temple will lose its title automatically. And haven't you seen separate temples outside the residence area in large individual homes? Even my neighbouring house has a separate 1-storied temple in north-east corner of their walled compound, a proper temple, but not a debottar property.

Show me the word "debottar" in any Indian Law except for the Bengal state law .... you can start from there

More blabbering.

debottar property

More LOL....it has nothing to do with "sentiments", it has everything to do with LAW. That is how the whole scam works. No scam works unless it can manipulate the loopholes in the law.

There is nothing more to prove. All your points have been proved wrong and you have provided NO evidence of ANY of your claims. I can see the you have cowardly ignored the MOST OBVIOUS example of Ram Lalla in the Ayodhya case becoming a legal owner without any registration whatsoever. Answer that question before replying any more to my other posts and wasting my time.

"Proved wrong" my foot. You haven't proved anything other than foaming in your mouth.