RAFALE VS F-16 BLOCK52+

[umair86pk]

Indians are getting it thats why its the best thing on earth same as their Race is the most superior on earth.

 

[SBD-3]

A we stil debating if a 3rd generation 30 year F16/52 is equal to or nearly equal to a late 4th generation fighter only 5 years old with state of the art equipment. COSTING twice as much.

I,M sure the one squdron of 18 F16/52 will be useful in PAF. but they will need some help i think.

 

[SBD-3]

you really have no idea about what your talking about, Please do some research before posting such things.

from where wikipedia "the famous Indian Research Engine"?

 

[tanlixiang28776]

from where wikipedia "the famous Indian Research Engine"?

Wikipedia also says LCA is very stealthy.

 

[SBD-3]

Yes, that is correct. F16 is the best. Proven and reliable. India just wants some new toys and is wasting money.

Its their choice, If they can buy 40Million USD MKI in 102 Million USD after being the largest customers, it sure is indicative of your comment, absoultely

 

[Birruna]

Guys give credit to the MMRCA IAF evaluation team. Probably one of the most competent transparent exercise ever undertaken. The F16 they evaluated was better than Block 52. In the final analysis if Rafale & EF came on top they must truely be better by a good margin.

 

[dave]

yaap f-16 more worthy and stelthy then euro fighter, rafale and su-30mki.
Good luck paf.You can't beat paf with discussion.

 

[Storm Force]

THE F16/ block 60 THE ULTIMATE FLACON a generation a head the 18 block 52s in PAF where tested to the limit by IAF.

The IAF knows the best F16 BLOCK 60 inside and out it was DEEMED inadequate for IAF future needs.

They are about to blow $15 billion on this deal so if they WANT either RAFALE OR TYPHOON that is enough SAID about the this debate.

F16/52 is formidable opponent regardless nevetheless

PS note i highlighted FUTURE NEEDS

 

[Super Falcon]

i think rafale is greater than F 16 but F 16 is not nuts on which rafale can have easy kill but in technological aspect rafale and EF rules but hope PAF comes with better technology in J 10 or infact go for bettter twin engine fighter jet like Mig 35

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

THE F16/ block 60 THE ULTIMATE FLACON a generation a head the 18 block 52s in PAF where tested to the limit by IAF.

Yes its 6th gen...... kid it just has an AESA.

The IAF knows the best F16 BLOCK 60 inside and out it was DEEMED inadequate for IAF future needs.

Ever heard abt sanctions n politics?

They are about to blow $15 billion on this deal so if they WANT either RAFALE OR TYPHOON that is enough SAID about the this debate.

Its 9-10 billion not 15.

F16/52 is formidable opponent regardless nevetheless

PAF uses 52+.

 

[Roybot]

PAF uses 52+.

How many block 52+ F-16 does PAF operate? I thought it was just one squadron?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Surely the answer is simple- Rafale. IAF tested the Rafale and the F16 Blk60 IN SUPER VIPER (the most advanced F16 EVER built so MORE advanced than blk52 with AESA and other tech off the JSF) and picked the Rafale on a technical basis as stated by the MoD so it beat the most advanced F16 the Blk52 surely has no chance right?

Oh and ^^^ it could rise to $15 BILLION+ if IAF exercises option for more than original 126 (a strong possibility given AF/MoD posturing) either way it's more than Pakistan's ENTIRE defence budget for 2-4 years!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

+^^^^ something I forgot to add, that is on a good day Blk 60 couldn't handle a Rafale but with the number of restrictions placed by US on PAF blk 52s let alon all the bugs no one knows about it is pretty clear cut?

 

[Manticore]

According to Tellis' sources in the IAF, the F-16IN bid received low marks in the technical evaluation for a slow turn rate and poorer handling performance due to the addition of conformal fuel tanks.

Those deficiencies made the F-16IN less competitive in dogfights against older F-16 Block 50s, which are operated by Pakistan.
Tellis: US fighters lost MMRCA contract due to technical faults


Tellis' report notes that the F-16IN was found non-compliant on five counts: "growth potential, carefree handling (and automatic sensing of external stores), sustained turn rate, engine change time, and assurance against obsolescence over a 15-year period."

Livefist: New Light On Why India Rejected The F-16 & F/A-18

 

[Najam Khan]

According to Tellis' sources in the IAF, the F-16IN bid received low marks in the technical evaluation for a slow turn rate and poorer handling performance due to the addition of conformal fuel tanks.

Its un-just to comment on performance of F16IN without details of IAF's evaluation...with CFTs Bk52/60 can reach the 9-G limit without under wing tanks, once you add 2X 370 Gallon tanks it becomes a heavy-machine and can't reach the best performance (5G is max if i am not mistaken)....but again the main question is who needs to have underwing tanks intact with CFTs in BVR dogfight? SOPs of air combat have changed alot since the modernization of weapons, its not the old days of WVR or guns...,pilots decide very quickly about jettisoning fuel tanks, in case of problem the leave the hot zone.CFTs slightly decreases the performance...on the other hand it gives 20-40% more range to the a/c depending upon this mission...for long-range strike missions CFTs are really a handy tool.