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Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s grand effort of bailing out the Dassault Rafale fighters deal from bureaucratic tangle with the decision to purchase 36 fighters in ‘ready to fly condition’ has sunk again into an impasse where escalating costs, and prohibitive delays have bogged down the negotiations being held in France.




A team of negotiators from India led by Deputy Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal SBP Sinha have submitted a list of alterations that the French maintain will increase the price, and delay the supply of the fighters. India is insisting that Dassault invest 50% of the overall contract price as offsets in its domestic defence or internal security sectors, according to the Janes Defence Weekly.

Political intervention , thus, is again becoming necessary, according to sources, with PM Modi’s Man Friday, Ajit Doval expected by sections of the military to fly down to France to break the deadlock.

Defence was a major platform of the BJP during the election campaign for the Lok Sabha elections, and former Defence Minister A.K.Antony was repeatedly pilloried for indecisiveness and inaction.On the completion of one year in office BJP national spokesperson GV.Narasimha Rao told reporters, “defence strategic clearances were held up during the period of Antony as defence minister and the department was crying for support.”

The NDA government has cleared projects worth 16 billion dollar, but till date not a single Request for Proposal or a tender has been floated, let alone a defence deal signed. Rafale, despite the initial enthusiasm, is still being discussed with the agreement nowhere in sight.

Sources pointed out Dassault Aviation has decided to step up the production of the Rafale fighters from the current 11 to 16 a year. But it already has orders of 26 fighters each from Qatar and Egypt with India third on the list. And if the deal is not concluded soon, there could be orders from other countries that could then make India slip further down the line, thereby delaying the integration of the fighters the Indian Air Force so desperately needs.

Of course there is no word about the remaining 90 fighters of the original deal that was for 126. The questions raised by The Citizen at the time remain relevant even today. These are:

1. What are the terms and conditions for the supply of the 36—instead of the original 18—ready to fly Rafale aircraft? What will be the overall cost for the 36 aircraft. The price for the 18 aircraft that was part of the original L-1 tender was about $two billion, going up to unconfirmed figures of $ four billion. (it was subsequently increased to six billion dollars). Now that the numbers have doubled to 36, which would require infrastructural maintenance and sustenance what will India be paying for Prime Minister Modi’s commitment?

2. Is this a stand alone deal? Or part of the original contract for the supply of 126 fighter jets? It now appears to be a stand alone deal, but there is no word about the remaining fighters.

3. How soon is the ‘soon’? Dassault Aviation has an average of producing just 11 fighter jets a year. What is the time frame that has been discussed? Or has it been discussed at all? The government has spoken of early delivery, but given the current negotiations the schedule remains with a question mark.

4. What happens to the remaining 90 fighter jets? The contract was for 126 aircraft with 108 in the original understanding to be manufactured by public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. Dassault had not agreed to the Indian insistence to stand guarantee for these aircraft. Does it mean that HAL will no longer be in the picture? There is no word about HAL even now.

5. Who then will get the contract for the remaining 90 fighters planes? Will it now go to the private sector? And currently in the private sector those with their homework in place are the Ambanis and the Adanis. so are they being considered for the contract? Unofficial reports suggest that they are in line, but again there is no confirmation whether the remainder of the initial agreement will go to the private sector.

In between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has been making confusing statements. He has now fallen silent about the deal, and the grapevine suggests that he is looking for another post, having had enough of defence.

A sample of Parrikar’s statements:

“That is the only solution. In fact, only [Prime Minister Narendra] Modi could have taken this kind of decision. [When it comes to] Prime Ministers in the past many years, probably Atalji [Bihari Vajpayee] showed some decision-making ability. However, I would like to add that the decision is not complete. The decision is only to acquire 36 [aircraft] at better terms.” This was in April after the PM’s visit, indicative of the Minister’s own ignorance about the terms.

In May he told the Economic Times: “On the Rafale deal, for example, we are ordering just 36. If we had ordered 126, it would have been 3.75 times the cost. Yes, there are money issues but spending more effectively is more important.”

And again, “The basic message is that the Rafale deal has been restricted in number. By doing this, we will free about Rs 60,000-65,000 crore – money which will be used for Make in India. Even in the Rafale deal, we will have 50% offsets. So this will take care of partial Make in India. But more than that, we now have money released for activities that can be carried out in improving and speeding up the LCA (Light Combat Aircraft). We can have 10-12 squadrons as MiG 21 replacements.” Now the negotiating team is insisting on this offset, that the French have responded to by increasing the price. So from a quick, efficient, time saving deal it is again moving into a costly, time consuming delivery.

Parrikar was almost triumphant when he told the media then, “By buying 36 Rafale fighters at a price less than (what was quoted in response to) the earlier tender for 126 aircraft, I have saved the cost of 90 Rafales. We will use that money to buy Tejas LCAs”. This seemed to be the first confirmation of what was being discussed in military circles that the original contract for 126 fighters had been reduced to the final 36.

But not so for within a day the Minister seemed to have had yet another change of heart, or mind. And instead of following up on the remarks he retracted with a tightlipped, “”I’m not saying we will buy more Rafale; I’m not saying we will not buy more.”And that is where the matter rests for the moment, leaving all the questions about the very basics of the deal unanswered.


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Modi is tupid to sign such a deal and backing off from orignal terms ,The message is very clear to every vendor that we (India) have negotiation power but we will chicken out if vendor doesn`t always agree with them.
 
Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s grand effort of bailing out the Dassault Rafale fighters deal from bureaucratic tangle with the decision to purchase 36 fighters in ‘ready to fly condition’ has sunk again into an impasse where escalating costs, and prohibitive delays have bogged down the negotiations being held in France.




A team of negotiators from India led by Deputy Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal SBP Sinha have submitted a list of alterations that the French maintain will increase the price, and delay the supply of the fighters. India is insisting that Dassault invest 50% of the overall contract price as offsets in its domestic defence or internal security sectors, according to the Janes Defence Weekly.

Political intervention , thus, is again becoming necessary, according to sources, with PM Modi’s Man Friday, Ajit Doval expected by sections of the military to fly down to France to break the deadlock.

Defence was a major platform of the BJP during the election campaign for the Lok Sabha elections, and former Defence Minister A.K.Antony was repeatedly pilloried for indecisiveness and inaction.On the completion of one year in office BJP national spokesperson GV.Narasimha Rao told reporters, “defence strategic clearances were held up during the period of Antony as defence minister and the department was crying for support.”

The NDA government has cleared projects worth 16 billion dollar, but till date not a single Request for Proposal or a tender has been floated, let alone a defence deal signed. Rafale, despite the initial enthusiasm, is still being discussed with the agreement nowhere in sight.

Sources pointed out Dassault Aviation has decided to step up the production of the Rafale fighters from the current 11 to 16 a year. But it already has orders of 26 fighters each from Qatar and Egypt with India third on the list. And if the deal is not concluded soon, there could be orders from other countries that could then make India slip further down the line, thereby delaying the integration of the fighters the Indian Air Force so desperately needs.

Of course there is no word about the remaining 90 fighters of the original deal that was for 126. The questions raised by The Citizen at the time remain relevant even today. These are:

1. What are the terms and conditions for the supply of the 36—instead of the original 18—ready to fly Rafale aircraft? What will be the overall cost for the 36 aircraft. The price for the 18 aircraft that was part of the original L-1 tender was about $two billion, going up to unconfirmed figures of $ four billion. (it was subsequently increased to six billion dollars). Now that the numbers have doubled to 36, which would require infrastructural maintenance and sustenance what will India be paying for Prime Minister Modi’s commitment?

2. Is this a stand alone deal? Or part of the original contract for the supply of 126 fighter jets? It now appears to be a stand alone deal, but there is no word about the remaining fighters.

3. How soon is the ‘soon’? Dassault Aviation has an average of producing just 11 fighter jets a year. What is the time frame that has been discussed? Or has it been discussed at all? The government has spoken of early delivery, but given the current negotiations the schedule remains with a question mark.

4. What happens to the remaining 90 fighter jets? The contract was for 126 aircraft with 108 in the original understanding to be manufactured by public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. Dassault had not agreed to the Indian insistence to stand guarantee for these aircraft. Does it mean that HAL will no longer be in the picture? There is no word about HAL even now.

5. Who then will get the contract for the remaining 90 fighters planes? Will it now go to the private sector? And currently in the private sector those with their homework in place are the Ambanis and the Adanis. so are they being considered for the contract? Unofficial reports suggest that they are in line, but again there is no confirmation whether the remainder of the initial agreement will go to the private sector.

In between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has been making confusing statements. He has now fallen silent about the deal, and the grapevine suggests that he is looking for another post, having had enough of defence.

A sample of Parrikar’s statements:

“That is the only solution. In fact, only [Prime Minister Narendra] Modi could have taken this kind of decision. [When it comes to] Prime Ministers in the past many years, probably Atalji [Bihari Vajpayee] showed some decision-making ability. However, I would like to add that the decision is not complete. The decision is only to acquire 36 [aircraft] at better terms.” This was in April after the PM’s visit, indicative of the Minister’s own ignorance about the terms.

In May he told the Economic Times: “On the Rafale deal, for example, we are ordering just 36. If we had ordered 126, it would have been 3.75 times the cost. Yes, there are money issues but spending more effectively is more important.”

And again, “The basic message is that the Rafale deal has been restricted in number. By doing this, we will free about Rs 60,000-65,000 crore – money which will be used for Make in India. Even in the Rafale deal, we will have 50% offsets. So this will take care of partial Make in India. But more than that, we now have money released for activities that can be carried out in improving and speeding up the LCA (Light Combat Aircraft). We can have 10-12 squadrons as MiG 21 replacements.” Now the negotiating team is insisting on this offset, that the French have responded to by increasing the price. So from a quick, efficient, time saving deal it is again moving into a costly, time consuming delivery.

Parrikar was almost triumphant when he told the media then, “By buying 36 Rafale fighters at a price less than (what was quoted in response to) the earlier tender for 126 aircraft, I have saved the cost of 90 Rafales. We will use that money to buy Tejas LCAs”. This seemed to be the first confirmation of what was being discussed in military circles that the original contract for 126 fighters had been reduced to the final 36.

But not so for within a day the Minister seemed to have had yet another change of heart, or mind. And instead of following up on the remarks he retracted with a tightlipped, “”I’m not saying we will buy more Rafale; I’m not saying we will not buy more.”And that is where the matter rests for the moment, leaving all the questions about the very basics of the deal unanswered.


Rafale Stuck In Officialdom, Not One Defence Rfp Or Tender Issued Despite $16b Approvals | idrw.org
Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s grand effort of bailing out the Dassault Rafale fighters deal from bureaucratic tangle with the decision to purchase 36 fighters in ‘ready to fly condition’ has sunk again into an impasse where escalating costs, and prohibitive delays have bogged down the negotiations being held in France.




A team of negotiators from India led by Deputy Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal SBP Sinha have submitted a list of alterations that the French maintain will increase the price, and delay the supply of the fighters. India is insisting that Dassault invest 50% of the overall contract price as offsets in its domestic defence or internal security sectors, according to the Janes Defence Weekly.

Political intervention , thus, is again becoming necessary, according to sources, with PM Modi’s Man Friday, Ajit Doval expected by sections of the military to fly down to France to break the deadlock.

Defence was a major platform of the BJP during the election campaign for the Lok Sabha elections, and former Defence Minister A.K.Antony was repeatedly pilloried for indecisiveness and inaction.On the completion of one year in office BJP national spokesperson GV.Narasimha Rao told reporters, “defence strategic clearances were held up during the period of Antony as defence minister and the department was crying for support.”

The NDA government has cleared projects worth 16 billion dollar, but till date not a single Request for Proposal or a tender has been floated, let alone a defence deal signed. Rafale, despite the initial enthusiasm, is still being discussed with the agreement nowhere in sight.

Sources pointed out Dassault Aviation has decided to step up the production of the Rafale fighters from the current 11 to 16 a year. But it already has orders of 26 fighters each from Qatar and Egypt with India third on the list. And if the deal is not concluded soon, there could be orders from other countries that could then make India slip further down the line, thereby delaying the integration of the fighters the Indian Air Force so desperately needs.

Of course there is no word about the remaining 90 fighters of the original deal that was for 126. The questions raised by The Citizen at the time remain relevant even today. These are:

1. What are the terms and conditions for the supply of the 36—instead of the original 18—ready to fly Rafale aircraft? What will be the overall cost for the 36 aircraft. The price for the 18 aircraft that was part of the original L-1 tender was about $two billion, going up to unconfirmed figures of $ four billion. (it was subsequently increased to six billion dollars). Now that the numbers have doubled to 36, which would require infrastructural maintenance and sustenance what will India be paying for Prime Minister Modi’s commitment?

2. Is this a stand alone deal? Or part of the original contract for the supply of 126 fighter jets? It now appears to be a stand alone deal, but there is no word about the remaining fighters.

3. How soon is the ‘soon’? Dassault Aviation has an average of producing just 11 fighter jets a year. What is the time frame that has been discussed? Or has it been discussed at all? The government has spoken of early delivery, but given the current negotiations the schedule remains with a question mark.

4. What happens to the remaining 90 fighter jets? The contract was for 126 aircraft with 108 in the original understanding to be manufactured by public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. Dassault had not agreed to the Indian insistence to stand guarantee for these aircraft. Does it mean that HAL will no longer be in the picture? There is no word about HAL even now.

5. Who then will get the contract for the remaining 90 fighters planes? Will it now go to the private sector? And currently in the private sector those with their homework in place are the Ambanis and the Adanis. so are they being considered for the contract? Unofficial reports suggest that they are in line, but again there is no confirmation whether the remainder of the initial agreement will go to the private sector.

In between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has been making confusing statements. He has now fallen silent about the deal, and the grapevine suggests that he is looking for another post, having had enough of defence.

A sample of Parrikar’s statements:

“That is the only solution. In fact, only [Prime Minister Narendra] Modi could have taken this kind of decision. [When it comes to] Prime Ministers in the past many years, probably Atalji [Bihari Vajpayee] showed some decision-making ability. However, I would like to add that the decision is not complete. The decision is only to acquire 36 [aircraft] at better terms.” This was in April after the PM’s visit, indicative of the Minister’s own ignorance about the terms.

In May he told the Economic Times: “On the Rafale deal, for example, we are ordering just 36. If we had ordered 126, it would have been 3.75 times the cost. Yes, there are money issues but spending more effectively is more important.”

And again, “The basic message is that the Rafale deal has been restricted in number. By doing this, we will free about Rs 60,000-65,000 crore – money which will be used for Make in India. Even in the Rafale deal, we will have 50% offsets. So this will take care of partial Make in India. But more than that, we now have money released for activities that can be carried out in improving and speeding up the LCA (Light Combat Aircraft). We can have 10-12 squadrons as MiG 21 replacements.” Now the negotiating team is insisting on this offset, that the French have responded to by increasing the price. So from a quick, efficient, time saving deal it is again moving into a costly, time consuming delivery.

Parrikar was almost triumphant when he told the media then, “By buying 36 Rafale fighters at a price less than (what was quoted in response to) the earlier tender for 126 aircraft, I have saved the cost of 90 Rafales. We will use that money to buy Tejas LCAs”. This seemed to be the first confirmation of what was being discussed in military circles that the original contract for 126 fighters had been reduced to the final 36.

But not so for within a day the Minister seemed to have had yet another change of heart, or mind. And instead of following up on the remarks he retracted with a tightlipped, “”I’m not saying we will buy more Rafale; I’m not saying we will not buy more.”And that is where the matter rests for the moment, leaving all the questions about the very basics of the deal unanswered.


Rafale Stuck In Officialdom, Not One Defence Rfp Or Tender Issued Despite $16b Approvals | idrw.org
SEEMA MUSTAFA. Not Orthodox Defence journo it Shows in her Article itself Choice of words And Lack of Research
Which has more Political Stuff Then Defense Related Arguments
What A gem :lol:Although Nice Try
 
In between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has been making confusing statements. He has now fallen silent about the deal, and the grapevine suggests that he is looking for another post, having had enough of defence.
LMAO thats epic...

@Abingdonboy rafale is making all sweat too much.. Whats your take?
 
SEEMA MUSTAFA. Not Orthodox Defence journo it Shows in her Article itself Choice of words And Lack of Research
Which has more Political Stuff Then Defense Related Arguments
What A gem :lol:Although Nice Try


Agreed about the credibility of journalist but what we are witnessing in this deal since past 3 and half years is meek knee jerk response from Indian negotiators while negotiating with rafales. Instead of being penalized they are being rewarded with double the quantity of off the shelf purchase but still no deal in sight

@GURU DUTT
 
To be frank its high time our govt should cancel this deal and divert all its finances and focus on LCA mk2,AMCA and PakFa....Put all these project on fast track...for immediate requirement either look for used Miraage 2000 or buy an addition squad or 2 of Su 30Mki...

IF possible increase the order of Lca mk1 our airforce need to understand that all these fighter jet projects need support from its airforces to get mature....
 
Agreed about the credibility of journalist but what we are witnessing in this deal since past 3 and half years is meek knee jerk response from Indian negotiators while negotiating with rafales. Instead of being penalized they are being rewarded with double the quantity of off the shelf purchase but still no deal in sight

@GURU DUTT
thing is UPA did it with many deals first a hotch potch RPF was floated and then tender was given to the one who paid maximum ammount of cuts/kickbacks in advance to sonia mata and her croonies in beurocracy , armed forces and ED & media and some time and clearing of more than 50% ammount that too in advance later the tender was found to have been having some traces of corruption and the deal was cancelled but all the parties involved were happy as they all made money and indian tax payer a big ch****aa

now this MMRCA or MRCA was also one such deal but on a very large scale but count go thru as UPA lost the goverment but dassult had already payed the kickbacks in advance so they cant lower the price hence the dead lock ...... do you remmebr that what & why dassult wanted assurence form indian goverment that terms of tender wont be changed if a new goverment comes in centre after the 2014 lok sabha elections


now to the current matter facts are

1.dassult has paid UPA and its stooges full ammount of cuts in advance but deal dint went thru and now is scrapped

2. dassult wants its money back or the sum added to the new deal but cant disclose the ammount it paid to indian partenrs as it will ammount to very serous repucursions

3.rafale is the best IAF can get so they pressurising PMO & MOD for the same

4.now both NaMo and MP want proofs againt the earlier goverments in all such deals from all the vendors but none of the vendors want to disclose it as it will be not fruitful for their future deals

5.rafale is coming but its a waiting game who blinks first

rest keep speculating :coffee:
 
thing is UPA did it with many deals first a hotch potch RPF was floated and then tender was given to the one who paid maximum ammount of cuts/kickbacks in advance to sonia mata and her croonies in beurocracy , armed forces and ED & media and some time and clearing of more than 50% ammount that too in advance later the tender was found to have been having some traces of corruption and the deal was cancelled but all the parties involved were happy as they all made money and indian tax payer a big ch****aa

now this MMRCA or MRCA was also one such deal but on a very large scale but count go thru as UPA lost the goverment but dassult had already payed the kickbacks in advance so they cant lower the price hence the dead lock ...... do you remmebr that what & why dassult wanted assurence form indian goverment that terms of tender wont be changed if a new goverment comes in centre after the 2014 lok sabha elections


now to the current matter facts are

1.dassult has paid UPA and its stooges full ammount of cuts in advance but deal dint went thru and now is scrapped

2. dassult wants its money back or the sum added to the new deal but cant disclose the ammount it paid to indian partenrs as it will ammount to very serous repucursions

3.rafale is the best IAF can get so they pressurising PMO & MOD for the same

4.now both NaMo and MP want proofs againt the earlier goverments in all such deals from all the vendors but none of the vendors want to disclose it as it will be not fruitful for their future deals

5.rafale is coming but its a waiting game who blinks first

rest keep speculating :coffee:


Kickbacks are being paid in all deal and thats not new to this deal alone, here the deadlock is stuck on one issue or the other, now they again jacking up prices or shying away from there commitments. even if they paid kickbacks they can not shy away from terms and condition of contract which was found to be one of the best detailed in every manner
 
Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s grand effort of bailing out the Dassault Rafale fighters deal from bureaucratic tangle with the decision to purchase 36 fighters in ‘ready to fly condition’ has sunk again into an impasse where escalating costs, and prohibitive delays have bogged down the negotiations being held in France.




A team of negotiators from India led by Deputy Chief of Air Staff, Air Marshal SBP Sinha have submitted a list of alterations that the French maintain will increase the price, and delay the supply of the fighters. India is insisting that Dassault invest 50% of the overall contract price as offsets in its domestic defence or internal security sectors, according to the Janes Defence Weekly.

Political intervention , thus, is again becoming necessary, according to sources, with PM Modi’s Man Friday, Ajit Doval expected by sections of the military to fly down to France to break the deadlock.

Defence was a major platform of the BJP during the election campaign for the Lok Sabha elections, and former Defence Minister A.K.Antony was repeatedly pilloried for indecisiveness and inaction.On the completion of one year in office BJP national spokesperson GV.Narasimha Rao told reporters, “defence strategic clearances were held up during the period of Antony as defence minister and the department was crying for support.”

The NDA government has cleared projects worth 16 billion dollar, but till date not a single Request for Proposal or a tender has been floated, let alone a defence deal signed. Rafale, despite the initial enthusiasm, is still being discussed with the agreement nowhere in sight.

Sources pointed out Dassault Aviation has decided to step up the production of the Rafale fighters from the current 11 to 16 a year. But it already has orders of 26 fighters each from Qatar and Egypt with India third on the list. And if the deal is not concluded soon, there could be orders from other countries that could then make India slip further down the line, thereby delaying the integration of the fighters the Indian Air Force so desperately needs.

Of course there is no word about the remaining 90 fighters of the original deal that was for 126. The questions raised by The Citizen at the time remain relevant even today. These are:

1. What are the terms and conditions for the supply of the 36—instead of the original 18—ready to fly Rafale aircraft? What will be the overall cost for the 36 aircraft. The price for the 18 aircraft that was part of the original L-1 tender was about $two billion, going up to unconfirmed figures of $ four billion. (it was subsequently increased to six billion dollars). Now that the numbers have doubled to 36, which would require infrastructural maintenance and sustenance what will India be paying for Prime Minister Modi’s commitment?

2. Is this a stand alone deal? Or part of the original contract for the supply of 126 fighter jets? It now appears to be a stand alone deal, but there is no word about the remaining fighters.

3. How soon is the ‘soon’? Dassault Aviation has an average of producing just 11 fighter jets a year. What is the time frame that has been discussed? Or has it been discussed at all? The government has spoken of early delivery, but given the current negotiations the schedule remains with a question mark.

4. What happens to the remaining 90 fighter jets? The contract was for 126 aircraft with 108 in the original understanding to be manufactured by public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. Dassault had not agreed to the Indian insistence to stand guarantee for these aircraft. Does it mean that HAL will no longer be in the picture? There is no word about HAL even now.

5. Who then will get the contract for the remaining 90 fighters planes? Will it now go to the private sector? And currently in the private sector those with their homework in place are the Ambanis and the Adanis. so are they being considered for the contract? Unofficial reports suggest that they are in line, but again there is no confirmation whether the remainder of the initial agreement will go to the private sector.

In between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has been making confusing statements. He has now fallen silent about the deal, and the grapevine suggests that he is looking for another post, having had enough of defence.

A sample of Parrikar’s statements:

“That is the only solution. In fact, only [Prime Minister Narendra] Modi could have taken this kind of decision. [When it comes to] Prime Ministers in the past many years, probably Atalji [Bihari Vajpayee] showed some decision-making ability. However, I would like to add that the decision is not complete. The decision is only to acquire 36 [aircraft] at better terms.” This was in April after the PM’s visit, indicative of the Minister’s own ignorance about the terms.

In May he told the Economic Times: “On the Rafale deal, for example, we are ordering just 36. If we had ordered 126, it would have been 3.75 times the cost. Yes, there are money issues but spending more effectively is more important.”

And again, “The basic message is that the Rafale deal has been restricted in number. By doing this, we will free about Rs 60,000-65,000 crore – money which will be used for Make in India. Even in the Rafale deal, we will have 50% offsets. So this will take care of partial Make in India. But more than that, we now have money released for activities that can be carried out in improving and speeding up the LCA (Light Combat Aircraft). We can have 10-12 squadrons as MiG 21 replacements.” Now the negotiating team is insisting on this offset, that the French have responded to by increasing the price. So from a quick, efficient, time saving deal it is again moving into a costly, time consuming delivery.

Parrikar was almost triumphant when he told the media then, “By buying 36 Rafale fighters at a price less than (what was quoted in response to) the earlier tender for 126 aircraft, I have saved the cost of 90 Rafales. We will use that money to buy Tejas LCAs”. This seemed to be the first confirmation of what was being discussed in military circles that the original contract for 126 fighters had been reduced to the final 36.

But not so for within a day the Minister seemed to have had yet another change of heart, or mind. And instead of following up on the remarks he retracted with a tightlipped, “”I’m not saying we will buy more Rafale; I’m not saying we will not buy more.”And that is where the matter rests for the moment, leaving all the questions about the very basics of the deal unanswered.


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Kickbacks are being paid in all deal and thats not new to this deal alone, here the deadlock is stuck on one issue or the other, now they again jacking up prices or shying away from there commitments. even if they paid kickbacks they can not shy away from terms and condition of contract which was found to be one of the best detailed in every manner
well the fact is dassult paid the kickbacks in advance which actualli runs into hundered of millions of $$s but are unable to get the contract but are not in a position to let all that go and new indian PMO & MOD is not showing any sign of blinking while the compatitors of rafale are plying every kind of media trick to get that pie and all the baboons in MOD & IAF who made profits are also on the run as PMO & MOD want full details of them that too with proofs they (dassult)kept so they (indian baboos and politiciana)dont change once something goes wrong ..... so in short it is a waiting game IAF is frustated as its squadern strenth is dipleating fast but new goverment wants old books to be cleared first and its not just with dassult this thing is happenning ever wonderred when SAAB & EDAS are getting so proactive about there chances why is boeing laying low ...... hint C-17 deal :coffee:
 
well the fact is dassult paid the kickbacks in advance which actualli runs into hundered of millions of $$s but are unable to get the contract but are not in a position to let all that go and new indian PMO & MOD is not showing any sign of blinking while the compatitors of rafale are plying every kind of media trick to get that pie and all the baboons in MOD & IAF who made profits are also on the run as PMO & MOD want full details of them that too with proofs they (dassult)kept so they (indian baboos and politiciana)dont change once something goes wrong ..... so in short it is a waiting game IAF is frustated as its squadern strenth is dipleating fast but new goverment wants old books to be cleared first and its not just with dassult this thing is happenning ever wonderred when SAAB & EDAS are getting so proactive about there chances why is boeing laying low ...... hint C-17 deal :coffee:


Lets see but one thing is sure this deal will be signed after a political push from both Govt's and i also feel that if Indian Govt is so much sure about kickbacks then this must be revealed and rafales penalized as EF is not a bad fighter at all in any sense compared to Rafale
 
Lets see but one thing is sure this deal will be signed after a political push from both Govt's and i also feel that if Indian Govt is so much sure about kickbacks then this must be revealed and rafales penalized as EF is not a bad fighter at all in any sense compared to Rafale
do you realli think its about fighters anymore ?

we have many options now and frenchies know it and also know it they took india for granted for way too long but if they spill the beans they just might open a pandoras box

all these persstitutes are doing nothing but working like "pressure groops" that are playing a double game both with dassult and its compatitors with single agenda to pressurise PMO & MOD to leave the old deal and its technicalities and move on fast for a new deal but niether the NaMo nor the MP is doing it and playing a waiting game even if rafale dosent comes hardli matters as more MKIs will be purchased and the order of FGFA will swell further and LCA project is the biggest gainer in all this
 
Screw Rafale and get state of art stealth fighter f35s. India can be potential customer and Now, you have better relation with U.S.A.
 

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