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NEW DELHI: The French Rafale Fighter aircraft that India is planning to buy, in what is being billed as the largest defence purchase by the country - "will be swatted like mosquitos in an August night," says Russian Ambassador to India Alexander Kadakin.

Mr Kadadin also claimed that Sukhoi-27 - aircraft manufactured in Russia that are supplied to China's People's Liberation Army (Air Force )- are far more capable and advanced than the Rafale fighters.

Incidentally, Russian-made MiG- 35, as well as US-made F-16s & F- 18, Swedish-made SAAB Gripin and French-made Rafale were the key competitors for the defence contract. After a long and detailed evaluation, the IAF had selected the French-made Rafale Fighter jets to replace its ageing and depleting fleet. The deal is likely to cost India a whopping $23 billion.

Going on to question India's strategic forays with the Unites States and the erstwhile 'Western Bloc', the Russian Ambassador said the US has "transferred zero technology to India".

He cited the BrahMos Missile, a supersonic cruise missile jointly developed and produced by India and Russia, the Sukhoi-30MKi that is now being licensed and produced in India, and the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant as examples of critical technology transferred by Russia to India.

Russia, historically, has been a key strategic partner of India and the main supplier of weapon systems. But, in the last decade, India has increasingly looked towards Israel and US to meet its defence requirements. The shift, no doubt, has peeved Russia.

These issues are likely to dominate the summit-level talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi. President Putin is scheduled to visit India on December 11.

Russia is expected to push India to source conventional submarines from them. Submarines are key to the strategy of "Sea Denial" - preventing warships of adversaries from accessing specific areas in the sea. India has only eight functional conventional submarines.

Rafale Fighters India is Buying Can't Match Chinese Fighters: Russian Envoy
 
NEW DELHI: The French Rafale Fighter aircraft that India is planning to buy, in what is being billed as the largest defence purchase by the country - "will be swatted like mosquitos in an August night," says Russian Ambassador to India Alexander Kadakin.

Mr Kadadin also claimed that Sukhoi-27 - aircraft manufactured in Russia that are supplied to China's People's Liberation Army (Air Force )- are far more capable and advanced than the Rafale fighters.

Incidentally, Russian-made MiG- 35, as well as US-made F-16s & F- 18, Swedish-made SAAB Gripin and French-made Rafale were the key competitors for the defence contract. After a long and detailed evaluation, the IAF had selected the French-made Rafale Fighter jets to replace its ageing and depleting fleet. The deal is likely to cost India a whopping $23 billion.

Going on to question India's strategic forays with the Unites States and the erstwhile 'Western Bloc', the Russian Ambassador said the US has "transferred zero technology to India".

He cited the BrahMos Missile, a supersonic cruise missile jointly developed and produced by India and Russia, the Sukhoi-30MKi that is now being licensed and produced in India, and the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant as examples of critical technology transferred by Russia to India.

Russia, historically, has been a key strategic partner of India and the main supplier of weapon systems. But, in the last decade, India has increasingly looked towards Israel and US to meet its defence requirements. The shift, no doubt, has peeved Russia.

These issues are likely to dominate the summit-level talks between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Narendra Modi. President Putin is scheduled to visit India on December 11.

Russia is expected to push India to source conventional submarines from them. Submarines are key to the strategy of "Sea Denial" - preventing warships of adversaries from accessing specific areas in the sea. India has only eight functional conventional submarines.

Rafale Fighters India is Buying Can't Match Chinese Fighters: Russian Envoy
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The French Rafale Fighter aircraft that India is planning to buy, in what is being billed as the largest defence purchase by the country - "will be swatted like mosquitos in an August night," says Russian Ambassador to India Alexander Kadakin.

LOL, why is an ambassador talking like a Chinese PDF member?
 
The first two paragraphs says it all about the thread :whistle::cuckoo:
 
I thought he was comparing Rafale to J-20 or J-31.But SU27.
Now that's what i call overselling a product.
 
Well for one, France has not supplied the Mistral to Russia. I am guessing Russia is still sore about it.

Second, Rafale gives us a stop gap arrangement till we can build a AMCA should we pursue it strongly. That will put an end to hopes of India buying PAK FA. 30 billion $ is a LOT of money.
 
Russians have been coming out with some truly retarded comments lately after losing defence deal after defence deal. It would surely be productive to take the time for some introspection and understood why they keep failing instead of coming out with this level of BS.

Second, Rafale gives us a stop gap arrangement till we can build a AMCA should we pursue it strongly. That will put an end to hopes of India buying PAK FA. 30 billion $ is a LOT of money.
FGFA deal is going ahead no matter what-the Rafale and AMCA deals have no bearing on that.
 
Well for one, France has not supplied the Mistral to Russia. I am guessing Russia is still sore about it.

Second, Rafale gives us a stop gap arrangement till we can build a AMCA should we pursue it strongly. That will put an end to hopes of India buying PAK FA. 30 billion $ is a LOT of money.
There is no way that India can make a cutting edge, 5th gen AMCA in a reasonable time frame, without outside help. I don't like it either, but our involvement in the PAKFA program is the only way for us to get a 5th gen fighter in the next one decade.
 
NEW DELHI: The French Rafale Fighter aircraft that India is planning to buy, in what is being billed as the largest defence purchase by the country - "will be swatted like mosquitos in an August night," says Russian Ambassador to India Alexander Kadakin.

Mr Kadadin also claimed that Sukhoi-27 - aircraft manufactured in Russia that are supplied to China's People's Liberation Army (Air Force )- are far more capable and advanced than the Rafale fighters.

Rafale Fighters India is Buying Can't Match Chinese Fighters: Russian Envoy
Chinese Su 27's suck. 80's technology compared to Rafale.
As do their PAK-FA. India should buy F-35 while it still can.
 
FGFA deal is going ahead no matter what-the Rafale and AMCA deals have no bearing on that.

India will go with any deal that is in our best interest. For NOW FGFA looks good, let us see what the future holds. Russia fears the future too especially with Japan and US getting closer. There is many a slip between the cup and the lip.
 
Nothing more than a sales pitch. Both the Su-27 and Rafale are great air frames, but the Su-27 had its chance and it lost. Sour grapes from Russia, congrats to India (if an when the Rafale is finalized and delivered) your getting a great aircraft.
Su-27 did not compete in the MRCA competition. We already have Su-30MKI, which is a very evolved version of the same family. Russia fielded the mig-35, which lost.
 
There is no way that India can make a cutting edge, 5th gen AMCA in a reasonable time frame, without outside help. I don't like it either, but our involvement in the PAKFA program is the only way for us to get a 5th gen fighter in the next one decade.

As I said, with current options that looks good. The future options could be better. PAKFA is very much in the future, so is AMCA. So is the changing international dynamics and strategic alliances.
 
If mig 35 was even close to Rafael all things considerd,then we would have picked it, considering the past experience with russia.
 
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