Rabindranath Tagore: The poet of two countries

[Al-zakir]

Al-Zakir is not Bangladeshi. He is Pakistani living in America. He can't even speak Bengali. How can you give reference of his post?

Rabindranath is the foundation of Bangladesh's liberation war. Take away Rabindranath from Bangladesh you will get East Pakistan. His poems were insiration for Mukti juddho. Our national anthem is his poem. Kazi Nazrul Islam who was a Muslim secular poet considered Rabindranath his guru. He was traumatized when Rabindranath passed away. Rabindranath even dedicated a novel to Nazrul. These two, Tagore and Nazrul are integral parts of Bangladesh.

You must be a Hindu

 

[mb444]

Then why do the vast majority of Bangladeshi restaurants call themselves "Indian"?

Even down the road from here there's a restaurant that is owned and run by Bangladeshis and it is strictly promoted as an "Indian" restaurant.

Of course UK is probably the best example of this....so you probably personally know this.

Like it or not, most of your folk often promote themselves as part of the greater Indian nation in some way (mostly to earn their bread more easily....since Bangladesh brings about a befuddled look) ....but of course under a separate sub-regional background and political entity. The process has already started....and will only further itself with each generation. Of course we will always retain certain differences (a broad nation of people always do)....but Bangladeshis generally dont strike anyone as a people that thrive on differentiating themselves from India....as obviously seen in the naming of their restaurants.

it is your ignorance that has lead you to this ridiculous supposition. The "indian" restaurant trade was started by bangladeshis of preindependance india in UK. Later this flowed through to other english speaking parts of the world and beyond.

We are not indians and just because false flaggers start idiotic treads and post gibberish such as the faglord tagore has anything to do with Bangladesh independence movement does not make it so..... tagore was a british sycophant and an anti-muslim.... only morons and ill-willed revisionist would credit this ahole with anything to do with Bangladesh....

 

[Nilgiri]

We are not indians and just because false flaggers start idiotic treads and post gibberish such as the faglord tagore has anything to do with Bangladesh independence movement does not make it so..... tagore was a british sycophant and an anti-muslim.... only morons and ill-willed revisionist would credit this ahole with anything to do with Bangladesh....

Do you get rage overload when you hear Bangladesh national anthem?

@Anubis @Riyad Here's another one!

 

[mb444]

Do you get rage overload when you hear Bangladesh national anthem?

@Anubis @Riyad Here's another one!

I am aware of the history of the song it does absolutely nothing for me... it is irrelevant.... why would any one get angry over a song....i am not a child ... mate calling other indians for help is not going to to change the equation one jot...

 

[Nilgiri]

I am aware of the history of the song it does absolutely nothing for me... it is irrelevant.... why would any one get angry over a song....i am not a child ... mate calling other indians for help is not going to to change the equation one jot...

So you are totally fine that Bangladesh national anthem is written by a "Muslim hating british sycophant" who has absolutely nothing to do with Bangladesh? So you effectively assert that Bangladesh society and people are stupid/weak for taking to heart the words of their national anthem? Each time it is performed, that is the legacy of Tagore that Bangladesh as a country is identifying with.

There has been much speculation about Riyad being an Indian/RAW agent etc etc....but now Anubis is an Indian as well?

You going to call the other members as Indian too for not disputing Tagore has a large part to do with Bangladesh and Bengali culture (whether you like him or not personally)? People like @bongbang, @Doyalbaba and @BDforever? They all Indian too?

 

[mb444]

So you are totally fine that Bangladesh national anthem is written by a "Muslim hating british sycophant" who has absolutely nothing to do with Bangladesh? So you effectively assert that Bangladesh society and people are stupid/weak for taking to heart the words of their national anthem? Each time it is performed, that is the legacy of Tagore that Bangladesh as a country is identifying with.

There has been much speculation about Riyad being an Indian/RAW agent etc etc....but now Anubis is an Indian as well?

You going to call the other members as Indian too for not disputing Tagore has a large part to do with Bangladesh and Bengali culture (whether you like him or not personally)? People like @bongbang, @Doyalbaba and @BDforever? They all Indian too?

I do not care for the song .... i am not that bothered about people who do.... it is a means to an end...

no policy maker in BD takes this bogus song to their heart and that bangladesh exists as a sovereign nation directly contradicts everything that this song was meant to achieve. its an utterly shite song

i have been a member of this forum in one guise or another from its inception.... false flaggers and agent provocateurs are ten a penny and entirely transparent....

you are under the false impression that i am part of any clique or require validation from anyone

 

[Anubis]

Turks,Pakistanis and now Brits....damn I feel like we are the new Jews....everyone has an opinion what we do with our songs,our poets and our war-criminals.

 

[Nilgiri]

no policy maker in BD takes this bogus song to their heart and that bangladesh exists as a sovereign nation directly contradicts everything that this song was meant to achieve. its an utterly shite song

Pretty big words...but you are free to hold that opinion I guess since you choose to not even have a B'desh flag.

 

[BDforever]

I do not care for the song .... i am not that bothered about people who do.... it is a means to an end...

no policy maker in BD takes this bogus song to their heart and that bangladesh exists as a sovereign nation directly contradicts everything that this song was meant to achieve. its an utterly shite song

i have been a member of this forum in one guise or another from its inception.... false flaggers and agent provocateurs are ten a penny and entirely transparent....

you are under the false impression that i am part of any clique or require validation from anyone

you are Bangladeshi ! ! I did not know ! but your flags say you are british only
@UKBengali lol

 

[Saiful Islam]

Can't relate to this man what so ever and had no clue until a few years back this was the man behind our national anthem.

Then why do the vast majority of Bangladeshi restaurants call themselves "Indian"?

Even down the road from here there's a restaurant that is owned and run by Bangladeshis and it is strictly promoted as an "Indian" restaurant.

Of course UK is probably the best example of this....so you probably personally know this.

Like it or not, most of your folk often promote themselves as part of the greater Indian nation in some way (mostly to earn their bread more easily....since Bangladesh brings about a befuddled look) ....but of course under a separate sub-regional background and political entity. The process has already started....and will only further itself with each generation. Of course we will always retain certain differences (a broad nation of people always do)....but Bangladeshis generally dont strike anyone as a people that thrive on differentiating themselves from India....as obviously seen in the naming of their restaurants.

Simple, marketing tactic, Britoners associate curry with India. In the UK no one confuses us with Indians, we've been here way too long. We've always been known as the largest Muslim community in the UK having just a borough with the highest Muslim pop in UK with well established Islamic organisations and owners of the largest mosques in Europe. Plus the behaviors and trends of both communities are way too different, our mentality is different. You're probably thinking I'm digging a hole here with Indians being prosperous and all that. I'm not trying to offend anyone here but a prime example on difference of thinking is that an Indian kid is most likely to be a coconut whilst a Bangali kid would probably string a sentence in ada Bengali and ada English

Only probably in India the Bengali Muslims probably try to brand them selves as part of greater Indian culture but here in W.Europe, heck even Brazil, we've always distinguish ourselves from the Paks and Indians.

The Indians and Bangladeshis are so far apart in my generation it's rare to see a Bangali and an Indian hanging out, it would usually be a Pakistani and an Indian (Understandable, both speak a similar language that is mutually intelligible to a certain degree whether it's Punjabi/Mirpuri/Urdu...

Qari Amir Uddin is more popular than Rabindranath (Hopefully I've spelt it right) with some people I know

 

[Luffy 500]

BDs don't care abt tagore IMO . He is pretty irrelevant and that's why certain ideologically partisan groups over emphasize tagore's contribution to bengali literature and blow it out of proportion. Apart from those who identify themselves with an Indian/west bengali pagan cultural heritage AKA bald headed self-procalimed budhijibis (intellectuals) , tagore is pretty much irrelevant in BD's society. I doubt a peasant , day laborer or a rikshawala even know who tagore is.

He is not a Bengali...he doesn't even speak the language...his opinions are as valuable as my cat's..which,like al-zakir, is not a Bengali and whose opinion is of no concern to anyone.

Al-zakir is a syleti and he can very well read and write in bengali. Now if u consider sylet to be outside BD that's another matter. Nothing can be done abt your ignorance. Being in the forum for such a long time most likely u also know that he is a syleti but your bloated ego and ignorance abt BD prompted you to measure his bengaliness based on your standard. A typical case of bigoted nationalism with a false sense of pride. And what makes his opinion any less representative of BD than your opinion? Who made you , an american citizen , the spokesperson for BD? Are all BDs homogeneous clones of Anubis ? Don't get me wrong , i don't consider myself a spokesperson for BD but i am afraid , if respecting tag-whore is a measure for who is a bengali and who is not , then most BD citizens are NOT bengalis. Again i am not talking in certainty, but being a bonafide bangladeshi that's my understanding of BD society.

Al-Zakir is not Bangladeshi. He is Pakistani living in America. He can't even speak Bengali. How can you give reference of his post?

Rabindranath is the foundation of Bangladesh's liberation war. Take away Rabindranath from Bangladesh you will get East Pakistan. His poems were insiration for Mukti juddho. Our national anthem is his poem. Kazi Nazrul Islam who was a Muslim secular poet considered Rabindranath his guru. He was traumatized when Rabindranath passed away. Rabindranath even dedicated a novel to Nazrul. These two, Tagore and Nazrul are integral parts of Bangladesh.

And you are a shameless Indian writing crap. Tag-whore is the foundation of BDs "liberation war"? Even pro-indian bigots in BD can't relate themselves with any of your statement. WHat an ignorant false-flagger you are. At least do some reading abt BD if u want to masquerade successfully as an BD even in an anonymous forum. Pathetic troll.

Turks,Pakistanis and now Brits....damn I feel like we are the new Jews....everyone has an opinion what we do with our songs,our poets and our war-criminals.

Jews? SHows your inferirority complex vis-vis jews. And PAK , turks and brits pointing out the blatant barbarity and bigotry of BD's regime is nothing to be proud off. For shameless people living in tiny self-made bubbles that's something to be proud off may be.

 

[Anubis]

BDs don't care abt tagore IMO . He is pretty irrelevant and that's why certain ideologically partisan groups over emphasize tagore's contribution to bengali literature and blow it out of proportion. Apart from those who identify themselves with an Indian/west bengali pagan cultural heritage AKA bald headed self-procalimed budhijibis (intellectuals) , tagore is pretty much irrelevant in BD's society. I doubt a peasant , day laborer or a rikshawala even know who tagore is.




Al-zakir is a syleti and he can very well read and write in bengali. Now if u consider sylet to be outside BD that's another matter. Nothing can be done abt your ignorance. Being in the forum for such a long time most likely u also know that he is a syleti but your bloated ego and ignorance abt BD prompted you to measure his bengaliness based on your standard. A typical case of bigoted nationalism with a false sense of pride. And what makes his opinion any less representative of BD than your opinion? Who made you , an american citizen , the spokesperson for BD? Are all BDs homogeneous clones of Anubis ? Don't get me wrong , i don't consider myself a spokesperson for BD but i am afraid , if respecting tag-whore is a measure for who is a bengali and who is not , then most BD citizens are NOT bengalis. Again i am not talking in certainty, but being a bonafide bangladeshi that's my understanding of BD society.



And you are a shameless Indian writing crap. Tag-whore is the foundation of BDs "liberation war"? Even pro-indian bigots in BD can't relate themselves with any of your statement. WHat an ignorant false-flagger you are. At least do some reading abt BD if u want to masquerade successfully as an BD even in an anonymous forum. Pathetic troll.



Jews? SHows your inferirority complex vis-vis jews. And PAK , turks and brits pointing out the blatant barbarity and bigotry of BD's regime is nothing to be proud off. For shameless people living in tiny self-made bubbles that's something to be proud off may be.

Al zakir said he is Kashmiri....you trying to defend him as a Bengali while he himself says he's not is quite sad. I do not claim to be the spokesperson for BD....but I have atleast half a brain to know that to have an opinion about who Bengalis in Bangladesh should like or dislike from a cultural point of view requires one to if not be a Bengali atleast have good command over the language and the culture....a Kashmiri living in the US is exactly not that.
It has nothing to do with inferiority complex....Jews are famously one of the most targeted communities in the world...they get a lot of UNWANTED attention....my comment was a sarcastic comparison of the fact that we are getting unwanted attention from outsiders....where were these turks and brits to point out the blatant barbarity of paksitan in 71?I am proud of the fact that a barbarian has been hanged and nothing can bring more joy than to see hypocrites crying over it.

 

[Nilgiri]

You're probably thinking I'm digging a hole here with Indians being prosperous and all that. I'm not trying to offend anyone here but a prime example on difference of thinking is that an Indian kid is most likely to be a coconut whilst a Bangali kid would probably string a sentence in ada Bengali and ada English

So a community's prosperity and integration in a country is indicative of being more "coconut"...LOL.

Anyways stick to your low income status (lowest of any ethnicity) and claim it is because of sticking to your culture more if that helps you sleep at night .

It's too bad you and Pakistani's dont get along and "hang out" so much....since you both would have a lot in common and a lot to talk/complain about given you are both in the same overall stratum of society in the UK.

 

[dray]

Not really. Tagore was more a humanist rather than a nationalist in a general sense. He saw nationalism with sole stress on a mere political freedom as menace with scant or no notice for the perennial socio-religious prejudices Indian societies were suffering from. Though born and brought up in a rich, elite mercantile family of Bengal, his philosophy of life was shaped by some of the most liberal thinkers of that time. He off course was conscious of his Hindu identity but never let it become as a moral barrier in his intellectual thoughtfulness.

It's the duality of identity of Rabindranath Thakur as Bangladeshis see, the "Bengali Rabindranath" vs the "Hindu Rabindranath" that creates all the confusions, doubts, indecision, suspicions, contradictions, conflicts, & crisis in Bangladeshis' minds, it is the same confusion they have about their national identity, i.e., 'Bangla'desh vs "Islamic Bangladesh"..!!

Are you a Bengali?

Just asking because you said you don't want to share him....I understand you speak from an Indian perspective but Tagore and his legacy is more relevant to Bengali culture than to the broader Indian culture...he is not yours to share...he is ours to criticize,dissect,understand,relish...to love and to hate.

Rabindranath Thakur and his legacy is for all Indians to share including @Nilgiri , one doesn't need to be a Bengali for that, just like the way Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam and his legacy is for all Indians to share.

An Indian may not know Bengali or read Rabindranath Thakur's books in Bengali, but many more Indians don't know rocket science either.

 

[Nilgiri]

It's the duality of identity of Rabindranath Thakur as Bangladeshis see, the "Bengali Rabindranath" vs the "Hindu Rabindranath" that creates all the confusions, doubts, indecision, suspicions, contradictions, conflicts, & crisis in Bangladeshis' minds, it is the same confusion they have about their national identity, i.e., 'Bangla'desh vs "Islamic Bangladesh"..!!

Well its their struggle to deal with not ours . We just prod and nudge from outside

Rabindranath Thakur and his legacy is for all Indians to share including @Nilgiri , one doesn't need to be a Bengali for that, just like the way Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam and his legacy is for all Indians to share.

An Indian may not know Bengali or read Rabindranath Thakur's books in Bengali, but many more Indians don't know rocket science either.

Well put.