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Quick question if someone told you flat out that man has walked earth for 350-400 million years would you believe them?

Meaning the carboniferous era?

Also this means Adam landed on earth during the carboniferous era...

I am not arguing for this or against it just wanna know your take?

Answer: YES.

Earth is 4.5 Billion years old.

The biggest folly of us Humans is to believe the OPINIONS OF OTHER HUMANS AKA SCIENTISTS, PHILOSOPHERS, ETC. as some sort of Gospel Truth. HUMANS INTREPRET VERY UNCLEAR AND VAGUE INDICATIONS IN RELIGIOUS BOOKS AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING IT IS NOT .
 
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A Quranic verse, A hadith and a well-known commentary were actually mentioned in post#23 that you conveniently ignored .. And just because you have never "seen" something doesn't mean that it does not exist
there is no such thing....

They even talk about in details how he was created in his image meaning as 30 year old and says Allah used his hands (the owner of the energy source for atheist translation)

An atheist will immediately understand 1st law of thermodynamics and owner of the energy source... This is SCIENTIFICAL fact no atheist could cross or scientist..... It is as real as it comes
 
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This footprint is a famous tourist destination in Indonesia and this footprint is 6m long.

And here is another one from South Africa and this one is 1.3M long and estimated to be around 100-million years old

You do realize this is impossible because simply scaling a person up doesn't work. Your weight would crush your bone cells.

Also atom sizes don't change and air molecules are still the same size.
 
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Answer: YES.

Earth is 4.5 Billion years old.

The biggest folly of us Humans is to believe the OPINIONS OF OTHER HUMANS AKA SCIENTISTS, PHILOSOPHERS, ETC. as some sort of Gospel Truth. HUMANS INTREPRET VERY UNCLEAR AND VAGUE INDICATIONS IN RELIGIOUS BOOKS AND MAKE IT INTO SOMETHING IT IS NOT .
How do you know?
 
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Of course one should believe him, if he shows us the evidence.
 
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Prophet Adam A.S and Bibi Hawa were sent to Earth after last ice age that is around 9000 years ago as per most Islamic experts.
 
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Salaam

Ofcourse, civilised human being have existed for millions of years, that is what our holy texts tell us and that is the ultimate truth. Not only that but there have civilisations in the past which were way more advanced than ours today.

However those who believe the idiot Darwin and his bullshit theory of evolution, which states human being were monkeys and apes 5000 years ago, they would take it as a joke.


If by religion you mean Islam, I'd like you to point to the text that states humans have existed for millions of years and were indeed technologically more advanced than today. Thanks
 
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I think that the subject pertains to scientific inquiry. Religion shall not be dragged into it.
 
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And HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW??? Are you a prophet?? Are you an Angel with wings? Do you have direct telephone communications with God??

I don't then I'm not the one making a statement.
To make a statement you need to back it up with evidence, not pull it out of the air and put it forward as facts.
So I'll ask you again, how do you know and where is your evidence?
If you haven't got any, just say so and move on.
 
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While the Qur'an neither confirms nor denies the existence of humanoids before Adam, it does however hint towards prevalence of corruption and bloodshed on Earth before Adam [2:30]

Which was done by jinnat
 
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Never seen that and no evidence for it mentioned..

There were Jinns however..

Adam and Eve were the first they literally landed here like galatic travellers to replant and populate the world..

The one responable for the universe is extremely calculative and highly on point....

His existence can be proven...

If you know anything about chemistry then you would know about the first law of Energy called the First law of thermodynamics.

Energy in the universe have always been eternal and energy can't be created nor destroyed but it can be transfered from one source to another and that is how we charge our phones and transfer energy into our homes. Also all life form of existence directly belong to the one who controls the energy source. All form of living creatures on earth contain alot of energy without the energy being transfered they can't exist.

The Energy in the universe is eternal and have always existed. It dosen't have beginning nor ending.

Another thing to consider is that there is an entire surah ''Ikhlas'' in the Quran describing him as such like the 1st law of Thermodynamics..

The question to ask? Is he really? Absolutely scientifically yes. There is one being that is responsible and that is the one who owns the energy source
There isn't an owner of the energy source, there is only the energy source.
It has always existed, it will always exist, it creates, it destroys and creates again through it's destruction.
Yehi Khuda hai.
 
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I am not arguing for this or against it just wanna know your take?

This is a dishonest thread and this was a dishonest statement from you.

You will never accept a genuine scientific answer so why pretend you are interested in the science.

Will you question your beliefs if the science goes against it? No you won't. You're mixing science and religion but don't have the guts to be honest or objective in your enquiry.


The Ancient peoples timeline and the first humans who walked the earth - Timeline

I have been pondering and wondering on and off since I was in my teenage years about the timeline difference and what never made sense to me is the secular concept of 7000 years of human history and to some degree amongst the majority of the superstitious sects. This never made sense to me whatsoever.

When you read the Quran about Adam and how the angels bowed to him and when he descended on earth with his wife it makes you wonder when did this take place timeline wise and how long has mankind walked the earth? The secular concept of 7000 years of human history has never made sense to me and to many other people like me even in our kindergarten years and if it can't even make sense to kids than what is there left to debate about and to be honest with you we are not gonna waste time on this but rather trying to locate the true timeline of our forefathers we will try our best but the true knowlegde is always with Allah(swt)

We hear about great scientists but one guy who is underrated imo is a mechanical engineer called Stephen Hurrell what he found dismissed evolution theory gently and also made scientific work of upto 100-years vanish overnight because they bulit all their theories like pyramid without evidence so if you remove one stone everything falls apart. Evidence is key and his fundation is build on evidence.

Now that we have completed the introduction lets move on to the topic.

1. Size and scale matter much more than we realize. We can't exist in the timeline of the former people like Adam, Hawa, Noah and the people of Aad and they in return can't exist in our timeline it has something to do with gravity and the key secret is gravity and oxygen.

You see if you place a person who stands 27.4 Meter tall in our current timeline he could die within minutes of stroke or heart-attack because he weighes about 250-270 tons and due to the gravity being 1g = 9.8 m/s2 they would suffer from blood pressure and disruption in the blood circulation and it would end in fatality very quick within minutes.

So the question is how did the dinosaures and early humans manage to walk the earth once? The answer is simple the earth was much smaller than it's current size of today this is the only possible way that the dinosaures and the early humans could have walked the earth. the largest dinosaures stood 25-Meters and most of the height came from the neck which means Adam was technically bigger than the biggest dinosaur recorded as he stood 27.4 Meters tall and on the other hand we couldn't have existed in their timeline and not to forget since the oxygen levels were at 35% we would have trouble breathing and could die rather quickly and we would be to small and probably be jumping around in big leaps since we would be to light to support ourselves and would be unable to get a good foot standing on the ground as the gravity is more than 50% lower than our current timeline.

The earth's gravity is growing because the earth has been expanding and this fact is also mentioned in the Quran. Find the verses below.

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More figures:

Current Earth
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Earth 50 MYa ago

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Earth 100 Mya ago = Mya stands for Million years ago

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Earth 200 Mya
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Earth 300 Mya
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Earth 4500-2000 Mya
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I gave you there a brief introduction to the expanding earth and how gravity have increased thru out time and also you don't need to be a scientist to understand this concept because if you look at the world map you will see that South America fits into Africa like a puzzle and the same goes to the other continents they fit into each other like a puzzle and can only only fit into each other if the size is reduced.

There is ocean and land? The land is not expanding nor was it ever expanding but the ocean floor is the one expanding pushing the continents away from each other and according to the Quran Allah says he expanded the earth and brought it's waters( The Ocean)

The Quran describes it in exact sequence:

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَٰلِكَ دَحَاهَا
And after that He expanded the earth.


أَخْرَجَ مِنْهَا مَاءَهَا وَمَرْعَاهَا

bringing forth its water and pastures


وَالْجِبَالَ أَرْسَاهَا

[after that] He established the Mountains.


The gravity of earth use to be much smaller than it is today due to earth being smaller in size.
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Now we have to locate a possible timeline for the size of Adam becuase if he was 27.4 Meters tall than he must have existed in a timeline suitable for his stature and existence because if he existed outside of the timeline suitable for his height and weight it could have been fatal and that is an unlikely error that will occur in the sight of the grand master himself Allah(swt).

According to the calculations scale of size is used. Example If you make someone with average size today lets say 1,70 meter times 2 that is 3,4 Meter. So now you have scale 1 = 1,70M and scale 2 = 3,4M but when it comes to weight after going up 1 scale in height you must multiple 8 your average weight so you will weigh 8 times more when you go up in height twice. The figure below will show you in more detailed fashion.

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Gravity will have to be lower for the 3.4m tall human to support himself and in order to have the ability to walk otherwise his bones will crack due to the pressure of the gravity. Now that we know of the gravitiy's effect on size, bones, blood pressure, movement, leg pressure and weight we move into our final stage.
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Where did the first generation of mankind on earth fit into this? We can give them a circa location timeline but never 100% as that knowlegde is alone with Allah(swt)

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We will use an average human to scale in size so we will go with someone who stands 1,70 meter and we multiple with 2 each time to get the next scale.

1. Scale: 1.70M
2. Scale: 3.4M
3. Scale: 6.8M
4. Scale: 13.6M
5. Scale: 27.2M

As you can see when you scale up a current human 5 times in size you get something similar to the early humans height according to our prophet(sa) in a hadith said Adam was 60 cubits tall which means 27.4M.

Adam stood 27.4M tall and weighted around 250-270 Tons he could thrive between 400-350 Million years ago due to his size and scale. He wouldn't experience difficult in running, sprinting, fighting, hunting and pretty much do what we everyday people do in our current timeline.

I see some people who normally say Adam and Noah existed not long from each other? Thats not factual in my opinion and nobody said that both in the Quran or hadith because in the time of Noah there was technological advancement which means at his time there were plenty of humans. The size of the ark he built to house so many animals must be out of this world imagine how big he was first of all? Around 27.4M tall so a ship that can house him has to be huggge and than imagine the size of all the animals and their numbers? You see? It becomes mindblowing. It had to be literally the size of an urban city of our current time. He could have never bulit that with primitive tools but he existed in a thriving civilisation.

Conclusion: The true timeline is only with Allah(swt) and I do not claim to now the exact timeline and all I provide you with was the best I could do in locating their timeline with what I had of resources and showing you the myth of 7000 years is not only far off by couple of years but by gazillions of years.

Another thing to also consider is that the people of A'ad could have not thrived in our written history era but gazillion years ago post Noah civilistation recovered and they existed around that time and could have been even few couple of tens of million decades.

Imo aside from the giant insects found there is plenty more of gigantic animals who still exist today that existed 400-350 million years ago but not found and one of the reasons why we haven't recovered all of these animals is because of where they are buried. If you want to find bones of people or animals that existed 400-350 million years ago you have to dig below the coal 30-50M where is the coal? Coal is located between 55-90 Meter below the surface and most of the coal you see today is from the Carboniferous era around 360 million years ago which means if you bury someone from the carboniferious era you will have to dig a huge grave for him since he/she is pretty large and the coal formed thru out that time via threes dying by falling to the ground and turning into coal. So technically they can be found Approximately 100-150 Meters below the surface of earth and imo we will be able to find things that will surprise most people not only giant human bones but also giant big cats that stand around 19 meter tall and dogs bigger than the dinosaures and all sorts of animals you see today but in much larger scale just like the giant dragon flies that existed in that same period and actully found today. Have you ever seen a dragon fly the size of current human? it existed in that timeline 400-350 mya and we have found its remains today. Giant human skeletons have been found nearly that size in different places by accident. Normal everyday humans can't just run into this large bones unless an earthquake happens and forces these things out since they are buried below 100-150 meters but with a new technology that can detect stuff upto 300M way below the surface it would be easy to unearth everything that has every crawled or lived on earth at one point

Isn't it amazing that the greatest scientists are found on chat sites on the internet? These people love to impress simpletons online but never present their theories to their scientific peers - because they'll become a laughing stock.

He is also happy to piggy back on other people's science (eg. the shape of the earth's core over time) to justify his position. He's tacked on his own theory with zero legwork work. Why should anyone believe this person?

Honestly, don't bring embarrassment to the religion with absurd discussions like this.

You do realize this is impossible because simply scaling a person up doesn't work. Your weight would crush your bone cells.

Also atom sizes don't change and air molecules are still the same size.

and the apple was the size of a car
 
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Dr Shahid Masood is teaching history now a days free of cost ,some times I don't like him but then I realize he is doing a great job young generation needs to listen him to learn history

He is OK with history, but when he goes towards science his statements are absurd, I had seen his episode for the recently launched James Webb telescope.
 
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