Question: Where are the armed forces?

[PakistaniEthics]

1. Talibans took over Swat.
2. Nizam-i-adl passed a couple of weeks ago without much debate.
3. Tehreek's leadership openly welcoming and offering protection to OBL and friends.
4. Buner is robbed and taken over by Talibans.
5. Talibans openly declaring that they will one day march into Islamabad.

Can someone explain to me why are we not using our maximal armed forces again?

Or are we waiting for one of these laalas to blow up an international airport or something before we send in our top boys in fatigues?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Ask the GoP.

 

[PeacefulIndian]

1. Talibans took over Swat.
2. Nizam-i-adl passed a couple of weeks ago without much debate.
3. Tehreek's leadership openly welcoming and offering protection to OBL and friends.
4. Buner is robbed and taken over by Talibans.
5. Talibans openly declaring that they will one day march into Islamabad.

Can someone explain to me why are we not using our maximal armed forces again?

Or are we waiting for one of these laalas to blow up an international airport or something before we send in our top boys in fatigues?

Your army is on your eastern borders, protecting your nation from 'No 1 enemy - India'. And since your Western borders & terrorism is a very small internal issue which will take care of itself in a few days, they are nowhere to be seen there.

 

[fatman17]

Your army is on your eastern borders, protecting your nation from 'No 1 enemy - India'. And since your Western borders & terrorism is a very small internal issue which will take care of itself in a few days, they are nowhere to be seen there.

correct but i am not so sure of the few days!

 

[PakistaniEthics]

Your army is on your eastern borders, protecting your nation from 'No 1 enemy - India'. And since your Western borders & terrorism is a very small internal issue which will take care of itself in a few days, they are nowhere to be seen there.

This little snowball has all the potential to become an avalanche. Leaders need to wake up and forget about milking the US cow and take care of this asap.

 

[Solomon2]

Sitting on the eastern borders, while the Taliban threat to their families increases. I suppose that ultimately the Taliban plan is to control the Army by holding their families hostage - several posters have made it clear that they do not support military action which could result in the death of innocents, so they will have no choice but to obey when the Taliban orders them to attack India, or America, or whoever else the Talibs label an enemy.

 

[vkurian]

1. Talibans took over Swat.
2. Nizam-i-adl passed a couple of weeks ago without much debate.
3. Tehreek's leadership openly welcoming and offering protection to OBL and friends.
4. Buner is robbed and taken over by Talibans.
5. Talibans openly declaring that they will one day march into Islamabad.

Can someone explain to me why are we not using our maximal armed forces again?

Or are we waiting for one of these laalas to blow up an international airport or something before we send in our top boys in fatigues?

The whole world wants to know the answer.....

I can understand your frustration. This frustration gives me hope as it shows the civil and sane elements in Pakistan are still alive and kicking.

Maybe another long march is needed to wake up the leaders in deep sleep. What I don't understand is why Pakistan can’t have a peace treaty with India so that we don't screw up each other. This will give you enough room to fix this talib rats and reclaim your country. If in the process the trust builds we can carry on the peace treaty. The condition is that it has to work both ways with absolute transparency.

You have the right to choose who the main enemy is but by projecting India as your main enemy you are getting drilled from the other side but still you are not ready to redefine your threat perceptions. All Pakistanis claim to be nuclear at drop of the hat on this forum if it is so then the Indian threat if any is neutralized.

Indians only issue with you is export of terror and today you are victims of the same and blame India for it. If this is a case why not shake hands and live and let live. If you exist then you have all time in the world to worry about the Muslim ummah around the world.
A strong & neutral Pakistan is what Indians would like to see if you can’t be friendly.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I suppose that ultimately the Taliban plan is to control the Army by holding their families hostage

Technically it would have to be a plan to hold the families of politicians hostage - unless you want martial law.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

What I don't understand is why Pakistan can’t have a peace treaty with India so that we don't screw up each other.

Has India shown any interest in a peace treaty?

Please keep in mind that a significant number of forces deployed in Swat and FATA were moved to the East AFTER the Mumbai attacks and the histrionics from the Indian politicians and media against Pakistan.

That was a reaction to a legitimate security concern, and shows that neither the PA nor the GoP were inherently focused on India - otherwise there would have been no forces to move to the East, they would already have been there.

I suspect that situation will become clearer after the Indian elections, once Pakistan can ascertain what the new Indian government's approach will be.

 

[rubyjackass]

What I don't understand is why Pakistan can’t have a peace treaty with India so that we don't screw up each other.

That's too much of a risk for India to take. There can be unofficial infiltration bids along border and who knows may be another mumbai but only here India's hands will be tied against acting on Pakistan(even pressing for investigation) who will have the excuse 'We are also suffering from terrorism'.

 

[PakistaniEthics]

The whole world wants to know the answer.....

I can understand your frustration. This frustration gives me hope as it shows the civil and sane elements in Pakistan are still alive and kicking.

Maybe another long march is needed to wake up the leaders in deep sleep. What I don't understand is why Pakistan can’t have a peace treaty with India so that we don't screw up each other. This will give you enough room to fix this talib rats and reclaim your country. If in the process the trust builds we can carry on the peace treaty. The condition is that it has to work both ways with absolute transparency.

You have the right to choose who the main enemy is but by projecting India as your main enemy you are getting drilled from the other side but still you are not ready to redefine your threat perceptions. All Pakistanis claim to be nuclear at drop of the hat on this forum if it is so then the Indian threat if any is neutralized.

Indians only issue with you is export of terror and today you are victims of the same and blame India for it. If this is a case why not shake hands and live and let live. If you exist then you have all time in the world to worry about the Muslim ummah around the world.
A strong & neutral Pakistan is what Indians would like to see if you can’t be friendly.

I agree with you on the treaty, I was talking to my older brother about this last night. As insane as it sounds, even a 5 year peace treaty would be beneficial to Pakistan as much as India. That would allow Pakistan to deploy their forces in these regions and wipe out these wannabe-Muslim scumbags.

Another thing that disgusts me is that how can people in power let this happen to their nation? I was talking to a relative who lives in Pakistan and I asked them "How can you people let this happen? Aren't you disgusted by these events including the undermining of women?", and the response I got was that its the government that is allowing all this to happen.

I am reading reports that these laalas are walking around cities like karachi and Islamabad and threatening girls into wearing abayas. I mean aren't women considered people in Pakistan?

Its a shame our government is letting this happen.

 

[Zob]

Sorry Solomon but this is not a movie of bruce willis....the thing you can't kill the people by using force.....and as for them holding PAK ARMY FAMILIES FOR RANSOM dream on boy.....let them try and make that mistake then you see how PAK ARMY comes back at them....

 

[Beskar]

I agree with you on the treaty, I was talking to my older brother about this last night. As insane as it sounds, even a 5 year peace treaty would be beneficial to Pakistan as much as India. That would allow Pakistan to deploy their forces in these regions and wipe out these wannabe-Muslim scumbags.

Another thing that disgusts me is that how can people in power let this happen to their nation? I was talking to a relative who lives in Pakistan and I asked them "How can you people let this happen? Aren't you disgusted by these events including the undermining of women?", and the response I got was that its the government that is allowing all this to happen.

I am reading reports that these laalas are walking around cities like karachi and Islamabad and threatening girls into wearing abayas. I mean aren't women considered people in Pakistan?

Its a shame our government is letting this happen.

Care to share some links for those reports? And by the way, wearing an abaya doesn't turn a women into an animal. Women in Pakistan wear an Abaya by choice. The one's that don't want to, they simply don't. In fact, in major cities of Pakistan, abaya's are becoming extinct.

 

[vkurian]

India or Indians doest have any motivation to attack Pakistan as we don't have anything in common between two districts of the country other than the fact that we are all proud of is that we are INDIANS. The thread that strings the country is the feeling of fellow country men and the opportunity it offers to the hard working people of the country to succeed.

We do have lot of problems but they are more due to our internal policies or lack of it and will be fixed in due course. We don't get polarized on any religious or ethnicity as a whole some aberrations are there. If they were not aberrations we would have a single party winning the elections. It is not the case. Each Indian has to strive very hard individually to move up in life the state is not of much help so merit and hard work are the two key factors one needs. Competition is extreme in any walk of life.

What I am saying is in this mad rush that one has no time to focus on Pakistan. The security agencies are to defend the country from any external danger not to destabilize any other country. If my friends on the other side could also say this there would have been no enmity between us but would have been lot of cooperation to take on the world.
The fundamental mistakes made by the military leader’s number of times over the years have brought you where you are now.

What appalls me is the elected civilian government is also doing the same mistake by surrendering the writ of the government within the country to a bunch of illiterate cave men just coz they ran amok with guns. The people sided with the gunmen out of fear and total disgust with the government of the day as they had no other way to protect their families and earn their livelihood. All of you sitting in different part of the world keep on finding ways and words to justify this surrender. Shame on you if this is a deal.

 

[PakistaniEthics]

Care to share some links for those reports? And by the way, wearing an abaya doesn't turn a women into an animal. Women in Pakistan wear an Abaya by choice. The one's that don't want to, they simply don't. In fact, in major cities of Pakistan, abaya's are becoming extinct.

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