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Question for indians here, regarding Ramayana and Mahabharata

how is siva worship got incorporated in Hinduism? I mean what is his status in hinduism?
I know Hindus believe in Brahma as the creator god..then who are Vishnu, saraswathi, shiva, Durga, kali, Ganesh gods?

Brahma the creator of universe, Vishnu one who feed the mankind, Shiva the destroyer (together they form three natures of God and Hindu trinity), Durga and Kali are forms of Shakti, Shakti originated from Shakti(power) of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.

the pic shows SL as Sinhala and no eelam in it. Sounds interesting!

That may be mentioned in classical Tamil literature but in Sanskrit the land is known as Lanka, although I don't know much about the mention of Sinhalas. Mahabharata usually mentions about the tribes and communities that inhabits a particular regions and seeing the time of composition of Mahabharata, Sinhalas must be inhabiting Lanka Island already.
 
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Brahma the creator of universe, Vishnu one who feed the mankind, Shiva the destroyer (together they form three natures of God and Hindu trinity), Durga and Kali are forms of Shakti, Shakti originated from Shakti(power) of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.



That may be mentioned in classical literature but in Sanskrit the land is known as Lanka, although I don't know much about the mention of Sinhalas. Mahabharata usually mentions about the tribes and communities that inhabits a particular regions and seeing the time of composition of Mahabharata, Sinhalas must be inhabiting Lanka Island already.
thanks for the infor.

Do all the Hindus worship all these gods like north indias worship krishna or Ganesh and South indians worship Shiva. Because once a tamil told me they do pooja to Saraswathi and not to kali.

History of India before 600BC are recorded in Hindu religious texts but after 600BC we have Buddhists and Jain sources to verify the existence of Kings and kingdoms, so most probable they are based on true events and can't be rejected mere as a mythology. Moreover, Mahabharata gives very accurate description of the geography of ancient India and kingdoms and ancient people/tribes inhabiting them and many of such ancient place names are still in use. Anyway, two epics have contributed lot in shaping the Indian civilization and I really don't care if people believe them to be true or not, they are still very important for the Indian civilization.

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u see i have learnt about some of these janapadas in buddhist history. Kosala, Videha, maghada...

How is there a Kamboja inside india ?
 
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how is siva worship got incorporated in Hinduism? I mean what is his status in hinduism?
I know Hindus believe in Brahma as the creator god..then who are Vishnu, saraswathi, shiva, Durga, kali, Ganesh gods?


the pic shows SL as Sinhala and no eelam in it. Sounds interesting!
There are 3 main gods:

Shiva, destroyer
Vishnu, preserver
Brahma, creator

Shiva is also called "Bholenath", because he is very "bhola", as in simple minded. Gets happy and angry at the smallest things. He also smokes weed by the way :enjoy:

Vishnu is a very level headed guy, the cleverest of them all.

Brahma is depicted as an old uncle. He has a lot of knowledge. Not worshiped much, probably because he married his own daughter Saraswati, the goddess of knowledge.So there is only 1 temple dedicated to him, located in Pushkar, Rajasthan.

Then there are several sub-gods called devas: such as Indra (lightening), Vayu (wind), Surya (sun) etc etc. Indra can be notorious and incompetent at times.

Then there is the field reporter, Narad muni who keeps roaming around and bitching about people :hitwall:
 
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thanks for the infor.

Do all the Hindus worship all these gods like north indias worship krishna or Ganesh and South indians worship Shiva. Because once a tamil told me they do pooja to Saraswathi and not to kali.

Yes, all gods are common only worshiping some God is popular in some region, Vasant Panchmi is a popular festival in North India dedicated to Saraswati(Hindu Goddess of education and Music). Worshiping Kali is more popular in North and Kali is one of the forms of Shakti but Shakti worshiping is also popular in South India.

u see i have learnt about some of these janapadas in buddhist history. Kosala, Videha, maghada...
How is there a Kamboja inside india ?

Yes, the information about early Mahajanpada comes from early Buddhist literature. Kamboja was spread inside India and their Capital was modern Rajouri(Jammu and Kashmir in India).
 
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Yes, all gods are common only worshiping some God is popular in some region, Vasant Panchmi is a popular festival in North India dedicated to Saraswati(Hindu Goddess of education and Music). Worshiping Kali is more popular in North and Kali is one of the forms of Shakti but Shakti worshiping is also popular in South India.



Yes, the information about early Mahajanpada comes from early Buddhist literature. Kamboja was spread inside India and their Capital was modern Rajouri(Jammu and Kashmir in India).
thanks ... normally Kamboja means Cambodia. that is why i asked that..


Between thanks everyone..for youre feedback and information. Every one has been very helpful.
 
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thanks ... normally Kamboja means Cambodia. that is why i asked that..


Between thanks everyone..for youre feedback and information. Every one has been very helpful.

Must be an adopted name, Buddhism and Hinduism together influenced the culture of entire South-East Asia.
 
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Then there are several sub-gods called devas: such as Indra (lightening), Vayu (wind), Surya (sun) etc etc. Indra can be notorious and incompetent at times.

Funny isn't it that the most powerful god of the Rig veda gets denigrated as a "sub god" and gets called "notorious and incompetent"........:)
 
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Funny isn't it that the most powerful god of the Rig veda gets denigrated as a "sub god" and gets called "notorious and incompetent"........:)
Yes, someone did a hatchet job on Indra's role, in sync with the rise of the triumvirate.
 
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Funny isn't it that the most powerful god of the Rig veda gets denigrated as a "sub god" and gets called "notorious and incompetent"........:)

Hinduism just evolved and adapted itself as a pan-India religion across a wide geographic era.
 
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Some info about Mahabharat.. No idea how much correct it is..

भारत :An Untold Story
Mahabharata today has 100,000 slokas and is believed to be written by Sage Veda Vyasa, but in reality it was narrated by him and written by Lord Ganesha.When first narrated, it had only 8,800 slokas and Mahabharata original name was ‘Jaya‘ (Jayam) as written by Ganesha.

Then Vyasa’s disciple Vaisampayana narrated this story to King Janamejaya (Pariskshit’s son and Abhimanyu’s grandson) along with additional and elaborated stories, during Sarpa Yaagam (A Yagna that is performed to bring snakes to extinction by letting them burn in flames as a revenge against Takshaka, a snake who killed King Parikshit)This made it expand to 24,000 slokas and was named ‘Vijaya (Vijayam)‘ and then renamed it as ‘Bharata‘.

In next generation, Ugrasravas, belonged to the Suta caste, who were typically the bards of Puranic literature, narrated this story to sage Saunaka and other sages in Naimisa forest.Ugrasravas (also named as Suta muni or Suta Goswami) was the son of sage Lomaharshana and belong to disciple chain to Vyasa.The full 100,000 verses of the Mahabharata was completed several centuries later by addition of many stories and was finally named as ‘Mahabharata‘.

Also few inclusions like ‘description/creation of caste system’ , ‘women, sinners and lower castes’ being treated similarly etc were according to the society in those years.Infact, both Bhagavad Gita and Vishnu Sahasranamam became popular after Adi Shankaracharya wrote commentaries on them in 8th century AD.The Mahabharata probably reached its final form by the early Gupta period (c. 4th century) when kings ordered complete rewriting of all puranas to preserve them for future generations.Unlike the Vedas, which have to be preserved letter-perfect, the epic was a popular work whose reciters would inevitably conform to changes in language and style.So, many additions were made to it by writers of that generation.Mention of the Huna in the Bhishma-parva however appears to imply that this Parva may have been edited around the 4th century AD during golden age of Gupta Empire.
 
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BS. Ram sethu is a naturally made geological feature. Human cannot build such a things. If we assume that humans built it then what materials they used? Sand? Then what machinery they use? Monkeys or dredgers?

P.S. However it is better for SL to keep the Ram sethu is made by man notion or else Indians will dredge though the bridge. :p


Certain historical inscriptions, old travel guides, old dictionary references and some old maps have been said to reinforce a religious and geographical belief that this is an ancient bridge (see Ramayana). In 2007 the Sri Lankan Tourism Development Authority sought to promote religious tourism from Hindu pilgrims in India by including the phenomenon as one of the points on its "Ramayana Trail", celebrating the legend of Prince Rama. Some Sri Lankan historians have condemned the undertaking as "a gross distortion of Sri Lankan history".[48] Vaishnava News Network and some other U.S.-based news services suggested that they had discovered the remains of the bridge built by Rama and his Vanara army that is referred to in the Ramayana, and that it was not a natural formation, basing their claim on 2002 NASA satellite footage.[49] NASA distanced itself from the claims saying that what had been captured was nothing more than a 30-km-long, naturally occurring chain of sandbanks.[50] It also clarified that, "The images reproduced on the websites may well be ours, but their interpretation is certainly not ours. [...] Remote sensing images or photographs from orbit cannot provide direct information about the origin or age of a chain of islands, and certainly cannot determine whether humans were involved in producing any of the patterns seen."[50]

A team from the Centre for Remote Sensing (CRS) of Bharathidasan University, Tiruchi led by Professor S.M. Ramasamy in 2003 said "the land/beaches were formed between Ramanathapuram and Pamban because of the long shore drifting currents which moved in an anti-clockwise direction in the north and clockwise direction in the south of Rameswaram and Talaimannar about 3,500 years ago," and, "as thecarbon dating of the beaches roughly matches the dates of Ramayana, its link to the epic needs to be explored".[51] A former director of the Geological Survey of India, S. Badrinarayanan, claims that such a natural formation would be impossible. He justifies the same by the presence of a loose sand layer under corals for the entire stretch. Corals normally form above rocks.[52][53] He feels that a thorough analysis was not conducted by the Geological Survey of India before undertaking the SSCP project. The Government of India, in an affidavit in the Supreme Court of India, said that there is no historical proof of the bridge being built by Rama.[54] In connection with the canal project, the Madras High Court in its verdict stated that the Rama Sethu is a man-made structure.[55]

Hindu belief is that the bridge was created by Shri Rama and Shri Lakshman with the assistance of Lord Hanuman and the vanara army to reach Lanka in order to find Shri Rama's wife Sita who was kidnapped by Ravana. A 2007 publication of the National Remote Sensing Agency said that the structure "may be man-made", contradicting the report from the Archaeological Survey of India which found no evidence for it being man-made.[56][57] In a 2008 court case, a spokesman for the government stated "So where is the Setu? We are not destroying any bridge. There is no bridge. It was not a man-made structure. It may be a superman-made structure, but the same superman had destroyed it. That is why for centuries nobody mentioned anything about it. It [Ram Setu] has become an object of worship only recently."[58]

Adam's Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Non-random-Thoughts: ‘Ram Setu a man-made structure' – geologist Dr Badrinarayanan

 
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Certain historical inscriptions, old travel guides, old dictionary references and some old maps have been said to reinforce a religious and geographical belief that this is an ancient bridge (see Ramayana). In 2007 the Sri Lankan Tourism Development Authority sought to promote religious tourism from Hindu pilgrims in India by including the phenomenon as one of the points on its "Ramayana Trail", celebrating the legend of Prince Rama. Some Sri Lankan historians have condemned the undertaking as "a gross distortion of Sri Lankan history".[48] Vaishnava News Network and some other U.S.-based news services suggested that they had discovered the remains of the bridge built by Rama and his Vanara army that is referred to in the Ramayana, and that it was not a natural formation, basing their claim on 2002 NASA satellite footage.[49] NASA distanced itself from the claims saying that what had been captured was nothing more than a 30-km-long, naturally occurring chain of sandbanks.[50] It also clarified that, "The images reproduced on the websites may well be ours, but their interpretation is certainly not ours. [...] Remote sensing images or photographs from orbit cannot provide direct information about the origin or age of a chain of islands, and certainly cannot determine whether humans were involved in producing any of the patterns seen."[50]

A team from the Centre for Remote Sensing (CRS) of Bharathidasan University, Tiruchi led by Professor S.M. Ramasamy in 2003 said "the land/beaches were formed between Ramanathapuram and Pamban because of the long shore drifting currents which moved in an anti-clockwise direction in the north and clockwise direction in the south of Rameswaram and Talaimannar about 3,500 years ago," and, "as thecarbon dating of the beaches roughly matches the dates of Ramayana, its link to the epic needs to be explored".[51] A former director of the Geological Survey of India, S. Badrinarayanan, claims that such a natural formation would be impossible. He justifies the same by the presence of a loose sand layer under corals for the entire stretch. Corals normally form above rocks.[52][53] He feels that a thorough analysis was not conducted by the Geological Survey of India before undertaking the SSCP project. The Government of India, in an affidavit in the Supreme Court of India, said that there is no historical proof of the bridge being built by Rama.[54] In connection with the canal project, the Madras High Court in its verdict stated that the Rama Sethu is a man-made structure.[55]

Hindu belief is that the bridge was created by Shri Rama and Shri Lakshman with the assistance of Lord Hanuman and the vanara army to reach Lanka in order to find Shri Rama's wife Sita who was kidnapped by Ravana. A 2007 publication of the National Remote Sensing Agency said that the structure "may be man-made", contradicting the report from the Archaeological Survey of India which found no evidence for it being man-made.[56][57] In a 2008 court case, a spokesman for the government stated "So where is the Setu? We are not destroying any bridge. There is no bridge. It was not a man-made structure. It may be a superman-made structure, but the same superman had destroyed it. That is why for centuries nobody mentioned anything about it. It [Ram Setu] has become an object of worship only recently."[58]

Adam's Bridge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Non-random-Thoughts: ‘Ram Setu a man-made structure' – geologist Dr Badrinarayanan

now why are indians destroying that?
 
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now why are indians destroying that?

We arent. Supreme court have banned dredging considering religious sensitivity and ecological imbalance.
But DMK are so hard trying to put it forward as they call themselves athiests. Even DMK followers doesnt like the bridge to be destroyed. So its effectively in back burner now.
 
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We arent. Supreme court have banned dredging considering religious sensitivity and ecological imbalance.
But DMK are so hard trying to put it forward as they call themselves athiests. Even DMK followers doesnt like the bridge to be destroyed. So its effectively in back burner now.
forget the religious sensitivity look at the destruction of marine life..
fishing is already an issue between the two countries, wont this make it further troubling?
 
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