Quantity of Fighter Jets Pakistan Have?

[ziaulislam]

Ravan ji look ....

By End of 2011
F16 C/D lets just assume now its all block C/D = 63 (Plus option for 18)
JF17 Thunders 2 squadrons = 36 back in Febuarary end of year 42 (At Kamra production facilities)
JF17 Thunders Block 2 = 50
F7 =192
Mirages =190

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Plus when you consider all our training jets , and crafts that can be equipped with a missile - we come close to 580 mark


Expected Arrivals 2012-2015 confirmed arrivals:
+ 200 JF17 thunders Block 2 mostly with enhanced engines and enhanced avionics
+ 36 J10B with AESA radar and powerful Air-superiority role capabilities
+ 30 J10B (Option possible its always discussed)

Speculations:
+ 18 F16 C/D , (plus 14 block A/B from original peace gate replacement initiative)
+ 60 F16 C/D (Norway has 72 jets so we could get all 72 jets)
+ 40 J11 (With our pilots training on them as you read this article)
+ POTENTIAL TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY OF J10B
+ Research and Development to be completed on Avionics suit for Thunders 2014 in Pakistan, and due to the modular design of Thunders the conversion can be quick to enable AESA and avionics package

So almost 400-450 planes are to arrive by 2015 or 216 on top of 500 planes we already have close to 1000 mark

Obviously 1000 planes is too much from efficiency point of view so I expect our air-force to reduce inventory based on recommendation from appropriate engineers as we do need to reduce older planes from inventory

But you can count on it Pakistan will have at least 10 Stealth strategic planes by 2018-2020

Since we got the technology for the Radar absorbing paint and metallurgy this current year we could actually be on verge of big announcement with stealthier version of Thunders, reduced weight, usage of composites and new paint and radar rays absorbing minerals and material for selected planes - we all know how quickly we developed the CRUISE missiles 1.5 years since we got our hands on it

i think our jets by 2015 will be
250 jf-17s
100 f-16s (+/- 20)
100 j-10s(+/-30)

with 50 odd f-7 pg

and possible some mirages in reserve..


f-16 will be confirmed strength of 77 (we will get rest original 14 definitely by that time)
and 56 j-10 ..j-10 delivery may start by end of this year..

 

[Aamir Hussain]

Thank God AP2009 climbed down from the 1,000 plane airforce! I guess sanity prevailed!!!!!

 

[ziaulislam]

the number of jets would remain unchange at 450 in 22 squadrons out of total 26 sq our airforce has...unless the no. of squadrons are increased which is unlikly

 

[praful]

A question-- How many of these jets are BVR capable ?

 

[Night_Raven]

Ravan ji look ....

By End of 2011
F16 C/D lets just assume now its all block C/D = 63 (Plus option for 18)
JF17 Thunders 2 squadrons = 36 back in Febuarary end of year 42 (At Kamra production facilities)
JF17 Thunders Block 2 = 50
F7 =192
Mirages =190

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Plus when you consider all our training jets , and crafts that can be equipped with a missile - we come close to 580 mark


Expected Arrivals 2012-2015 confirmed arrivals:
+ 200 JF17 thunders Block 2 mostly with enhanced engines and enhanced avionics
+ 36 J10B with AESA radar and powerful Air-superiority role capabilities
+ 30 J10B (Option possible its always discussed)

Speculations:
+ 18 F16 C/D , (plus 14 block A/B from original peace gate replacement initiative)
+ 60 F16 C/D (Norway has 72 jets so we could get all 72 jets)
+ 40 J11 (With our pilots training on them as you read this article)
+ POTENTIAL TRANSFER OF TECHNOLOGY OF J10B
+ Research and Development to be completed on Avionics suit for Thunders 2014 in Pakistan, and due to the modular design of Thunders the conversion can be quick to enable AESA and avionics package

So almost 400-450 planes are to arrive by 2015 or 216 on top of 500 planes we already have close to 1000 mark

Obviously 1000 planes is too much from efficiency point of view so I expect our air-force to reduce inventory based on recommendation from appropriate engineers as we do need to reduce older planes from inventory

But you can count on it Pakistan will have at least 10 Stealth strategic planes by 2018-2020

Since we got the technology for the Radar absorbing paint and metallurgy this current year we could actually be on verge of big announcement with stealthier version of Thunders, reduced weight, usage of composites and new paint and radar rays absorbing minerals and material for selected planes - we all know how quickly we developed the CRUISE missiles 1.5 years since we got our hands on it

Thats quite an inflated number ! You have very well jacked it up with speculations and rumours too. Think realistic and logical plz.

And for once , did you think about the $$$ ?

 

[praful]

Thats quite an inflated number ! You have very well jacked it up with speculations and rumours too. Think realistic and logical plz.

And for once , did you think about the $$$ ?

Don't mind bro, He is one of the most hilarious poster on PDF. If u follow his posts u will be thrilled to see that he can make 100 jf-17 blk 2 in 1 year only.

 

[fatman17]

A question-- How many of these jets are BVR capable ?

as many as you would like - how many would u like to see?

 

[SR 71 Blackbird]

And for once , did you think about the $$$ ?

They think that everything's free.

 

[praful]

as many as you would like - how many would u like to see?

I want to see all of them in our museum . Anyways I was asking a genuine question.

 

[emoriphious]

Good going Pakistan

 

[ziaulislam]

all will be by 2015 BVR capable
at current the mirages rose upgraded( 70-80),f-16c/d(18) and f-7pg(50+) are bvr capable along with jf-17 (30+)

just pay 30 million dollars for jf-17 you may get it for museum...

you can get mirage much cheaper, once we scrape them..

 

[Aamir Hussain]

BVR Capability Issue:

By 2015, keeping aside all speculations and just going by the numbers that are already confirmed:

63 F-16 (All types) AMRAAM Equipped
150+ JF-17 (36 odd units already in place with further fifty on crash delivery and 70 to be delivered between beginning of 2012 to 2015 if not more) Logically these would be BVR equipped by 2015 if not now.
36 J-10 (B version or later). These a/c’s are already integrating BVR capability in Chinese service. No reason to believe that the later versions given to PAF would not have this capability.
60 F-7PG's (Reported BVR Capability Exists – similar to Bangladeshi F 7BG’s )
33 Mirages III Rose I (BVR Capability exists with Grifo M3 Radars)

By 2015 a total of 63+150+36+60+33 = 342 i.e. 21 squadrons (Need another 10 a/c to come to figure of 22 squadrons)

63+33+36+60 = 192 a/c have or will have the capability to fire BVR missiles of different types i.e 56% of the total types deployed by PAF will have BVR capability.

However, after the intro. of 156 JFT’s and retirement of 60 PG’s and 33 Mirage ROSE III a/c the picture will look like this:

348 – 93 (Retiring a/c) = 255 a/c (Sixteen Squadrons!) Out of this total Following a/c would have BVR Capability:

63 F-16’s; 156 JFT’s; 36 J10B’s = 255 i.e. 100% of PAF fighters or BVR capability up by 32% even if we lower the overall number of squadrons!!!

This is when all else remains constant and based upon current public information on purchases etc.

A safe bet, however, would be to go by the force authorization of 26 squadrons or atleast 22 squadrons for Fighter type a/c’s. This leaves a gap of roughly 97 a/c’s

From here on I am speculating that following might happen:

14 F-16’s A/B’s (Remaining a/c of the original order – would require MLU)
18 F-16’s C/D’s (Remaining of the 36 a/c approvals)
36 J-10 B’s
30 JFT’s

Option B would be to enhance the number of F-16’s ex. Norway or Greece to cover production gaps in JFT (roughly 3 a/c per month is a slightly tall figure to achieve even with three production lines working fully on PAF JFT project only).

Further induction of J-10B will depend upon how well the platform performs in PAF service and the lead time required bringing the two odd squadrons to full tactical status.

The acquistion of F-16's would depend upon availability of cash$$$$ (except for the 14 "Not delivered" a/c's) and US approvals. The Chinese connection as far as $$$ concerned, would be taken care off as was done in the past.

My 2C's

 

[ziaulislam]

i think PGs will remain in service beyond 2015 to atleast 2020..as there airframe is very new they were inducted in 2002
also depending upon situation we may go up from 150 around 2015..this is indicated as we are going at a high pace
some rumours suggest j-10 may be avaliable by end of this year, if tis true number would go beoyond the intial 36 by 2015

how many aircraft PAF operate in each squardon? around 20 .or is it different from squardon to sq

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The PG's are earmarked for retirment in 2015. However, depending upon newer acqusitions, they can continue in case of real need or to fill gaps where newer a/c can not be procured. However, you would agree with me that due to fast changing technical parameters of air combat in the sub-continent, PG have reached alomst the end of their life as far as upgrades are considered without changing their basic mission performance.

As far as J10 is considered, it is altogether a new platform and would require a long lead time for integration into PAF war plans.

One thing that very few of you might have noticed is the fact that PAF would by 2015 (If all goes well) reduce the number of types and sub types it operates from 7 ( Two Mirage types -- not counting the diffeence in ROSE I & III's , Two F-7 types and two F-16 types besides the JFT) to just 5 (Two JFT's, Two F-16's, one J-10B). This greatly enhances the turn around time, ease of aircraft dispersal, and maintenance besides reuction in cost of spares etc. Reduction in number of types being operated also grealty enhances the training levels and reduces the assimilation time for newer platforms.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

As far as how many in a squadron? Depends, generally 16 + 2 (In better equipped airforces -- USAF squadrons tend to be slightly larger specially those that are earmarked for oversees deployment). However, when inducting newer shorter run a/c, the force generally tends to put them together for ease of training and maintenance. As an example the dedicated Mirage Squadron based at Masroor to support meritime interdiction does not have the usual 16+2 compliment but a reduced number of aircraft due to platform availability and mission requirement.

Support, recce, Transport squadrons tend to be smaller based upon a/c type and mission requirments.

Therefore, ther is no hard and fast rule for this.