QAU's Center for Gender Studies Justifies BLA Terrorism

[Dalit]

What you have written makes no sense at all. Yes the military is powerful, it crushes every one. But this is not the solution. This mentality that you have is dangerous, this is destined to fail. 50 years of military province in a tiny province hasnt been able to uproot what you call insurgency or what i call movement for rights, it will continue to flourish untill you kill all Balochistanis.

I strongly believe in the institutions of Pakistan and I hope that the people incharge and the intelligentsia's have more brains than you.




You have anitehr major misconception about writ of the state, which you think can be enforced by a gun. No sir its enforced by Justice and rule of Law. Killing some one without trial will never ensure writ of state. You release Abhinedan who is an Indian , whoes violated your territorial integrityand attacked you with pure intention of killing you while you make your tanks, and guns talk when a Baloch asks for basic civic right. If any Baloch is invloved in anti state activities or killings, he should be hanged at Mezan Chowk in Quetta, but ONLY after a free and fair trial.

These anti-state actors such as BLA enjoy support from India, Afghanistan and the US. They pick up arms, create bloodshed and fight against the state. They have no legitimate demands.

The people of Balochistan who don't pick up arms have legitimate demands. There is a stark difference between the ordinary people of Balochistan and terrorist groups like BLA.

I agree that the government and security institution should still leave door open for negotiations. Apart from using force against elements that don't want to sit and talk, the door should be left open for those who wish to talk.

 

[Chakar The Great]

it is not a tine province, and no military has never been as actively involved there as it was in fata. also, you are extremely wrong, you dont throw flowers at terrorists who are shooting at you, bombing infrastructure, killing your people via IEDs. you conduct operations against them and kill them. if they surrender, well and good (100s of them of them did, and not one was killed). your argument is invalid. its war, albeit a low intensity one.

What happened to those who surrendered?????

Did they get jobs ? No
Are there children going to school? No
Do they have access to health facilities? No
DO they have clean drinking water? No
Do they have food to eat? No
Are they safe? No


Surely they surrendered because of pressure. Unless you address the root cause the cycle will continue. I wish the best for Pakistan, I am nobody though. I dont make decisions, but i have my hand on the pulse of root cause of the issue.

These are illiterate people playing in the hands of enemies. India has killed more Baloch than any one else, but i dont blame them they are the enemy. You keep killing the youth of balochistan purely out of ignorance.

What stopped the successive baloch govts to not build quality public health and education facilities in the province. Whats the reason behind local Tribal chiefs sending their kids for even schooling in Lahore and Karachi but cannot make one of such caliber in balochistan?

It doesnt matter whos fault it is.

Why did government leave an ordinary Baloch at the mercy of tribal cheif?

 

[Mentee]

12 million population spreaded over the area of 350k square kilometers is the reason behind it.

So 12 million will always be outsourcing health and education services from others? Going by that logic balchistan does not need any health and education budget to begin with. Hospital Karachi ka school Lahore KY

 

[Cuirassier]

What you have written makes no sense at all. Yes the military is powerful, it crushes every one. But this is not the solution. This mentality that you have is dangerous, this is destined to fail. 50 years of military province in a tiny province hasnt been able to uproot what you call insurgency or what i call movement for rights, it will continue to flourish untill you kill all Balochistanis.

I strongly believe in the institutions of Pakistan and I hope that the people incharge and the intelligentsia's have more brains than you.




You have anitehr major misconception about writ of the state, which you think can be enforced by a gun. No sir its enforced by Justice and rule of Law. Killing some one without trial will never ensure writ of state. You release Abhinedan who is an Indian , whoes violated your territorial integrityand attacked you with pure intention of killing you while you make your tanks, and guns talk when a Baloch asks for basic civic right. If any Baloch is invloved in anti state activities or killings, he should be hanged at Mezan Chowk in Quetta, but ONLY after a free and fair trial.

When did I endorse extra-judicial killings? These men who are kill are ARMED to the teeth. They enjoy killing our men. They have a choice in going to the mountains. Talking about making no sense - the same stuff was repeated by TTP/LeI apologists when operations were underway against them - own people, unfair, unIslamic etc.

So far the army itself has been kept away - FC is doing most of the job. But as you can see without an operation, they are taking losses, which is bound to cause a reaction.

 

[Mentee]

It doesnt matter whos fault it is.

Why did government leave an ordinary Baloch at the mercy of tribal cheif?

Damned if you do Damned if not.

Are those tribal chiefs outsiders to balchistan? They represent the political elite of that province. It's like asking that plz rescue us from our own people

 

[Chakar The Great]

When did I endorse extra-judicial killings? These men who are kill are ARMED to the teeth. They enjoy killing our men. They have a choice in going to the mountains. Talking about making no sense - the same stuff was repeated by TTP/LeI apologists when operations were underway against them - own people, unfair, unIslamic etc.

So far the army itself has been kept away - FC is doing most of the job. But as you can see without an operation, they are taking losses, which is bound to cause a reaction.

I am not talking about individuals. I am giving you a broader view of the problem. Army or FC doesnt matter. People are dying. Military establishment is powerful institute, they have the ability to see beneath the surface of things, you cannot expect the same from a Baloch youth on mountains. If he carries arms, it doesnt mean you ll go with your full might after him. Are they not the Children of Pakistan, if they are angry or have concerns, should the state not listen to them?? or just eliminate them.

 

[Mentee]

I only told reason behind backwardness. They have government schools and hospitals. And tribal chiefs go to aitichison and fc college both are private institutions and are older than Pakistan.

Hence my assertion that balochistan doesnt need education and health budget. Redirect a percentage of that fund to Lahore and Karachi

 

[Chakar The Great]

Damned if you do Damned if not.

Are those tribal chiefs outsiders to balchistan? They represent the political elite of that province. It's like asking that plz rescue us from our own people

I dont care about the tribal chiefs, how is it there reponsibility to build school or universities or hospitals or provide jobs. We wanted to live under tribal chiefs why did we join Pakistan.

We joined Pakistan because Pakistan promised us,

Articles 8 to 28 of the constitution deals with the all fundamental rights provided to the citizens of Pakistan,

• No person shall be deprived of life or liberty, save in accordance with law (article 9)
• Safeguard as to arrest and detention. All arrested person must be informed of grounds of their arrest, they have right to consult and defended by lawyer of their choice.
• Right of fair trial under article 10A
• Slavery, forced labor is prohibited and no child under age of 14 year be employed in factory and mines.
• There shall be protection against retrospective punishment
• There shall be protection against double punishment and self-incrimination.
• Freedom of movement to everyone
• Freedom of assembly for all citizens
• Freedom of association for all citizens
• There shall be freedom of trade, business and profession for all citizens.
• Freedom of speech for all citizens
• All citizens shall have right to have access to information in all matters of public importance under article 19A.
• Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institution in country
• Safeguard against the taxation for the purposes of any particular religion.
• Safeguard as to educational institutes in respect of religion etc.
• All citizens have right to acquire, hold and dispose of property in any part of Pakistan.
• Protection of property rights of owners.
• All citizens are equal and there shall be no discrimination on bases of sex etc.
• Free and compulsory education to all children of age 5 to 16 by Government
• No discrimination in respect of access to public places.
• Safeguard against discrimination in services.
• All citizens have right to preserve their particular language, script and culture

 

[Chakar The Great]

Hence my assertion that balochistan doesnt need education and health budget. Redirect a percentage of that fund to Lahore and Karachi

Do as it pleases you. This has been happening for last 70 years. Why educate them? Just kill them which is easy.

 

[S.Y.A]

Did they get jobs ? No
Are there children going to school? No
Do they have access to health facilities? No
DO they have clean drinking water? No
Do they have food to eat? No
Are they safe? No

mentee has answered that.

Why did government leave an ordinary Baloch at the mercy of tribal cheif?

actually, last time a tribal chief was killed, balochistan erupted in violence. people take pride in slaving for their chief, remove them(even non violently) and then see what happens. speak against them, and then see what happens.

 

[Chakar The Great]

Same can be said about kidnappers dakaits smugglers manshyat farosh etc. Poverty sa tang aakar criminal ban gaye hain.

This is completely out of context. I dont feel compulsion to reply to that.

actually, last time a tribal chief was killed, balochistan erupted in violence. people take pride in slaving for their chief, remove them(even non violently) and then see what happens. speak against them, and then see what happens.

Not true at all. Tribal chiefs are figure of respect for the locals, nohting wrong with it, they have no authority. You are just diverting the topic, looking for scapegoat for failure of the state of Pakistan. Yeah sure its the bloody tribal chiefs responsible for the all the mess. How dare i questioned the Pakistani government or state.

 

[S.Y.A]

CPEC was a good opportunity to uplift and develop balochistan. and what did the militants do? they kept on attacking, and protesting that it was their land and it was being taken away from them. who would want to take care of a people who will kill you when you try to help them? who will claim that you occupied their land if you build a hospital, school or factory on it?

 

[Mentee]

I dont care about the tribal chiefs, how is it there reponsibility to build school or universities or hospitals or provide jobs. We wanted to live under tribal chiefs why did we join Pakistan.

We joined Pakistan because Pakistan promised us,

Articles 8 to 28 of the constitution deals with the all fundamental rights provided to the citizens of Pakistan,

• No person shall be deprived of life or liberty, save in accordance with law (article 9)
• Safeguard as to arrest and detention. All arrested person must be informed of grounds of their arrest, they have right to consult and defended by lawyer of their choice.
• Right of fair trial under article 10A
• Slavery, forced labor is prohibited and no child under age of 14 year be employed in factory and mines.
• There shall be protection against retrospective punishment
• There shall be protection against double punishment and self-incrimination.
• Freedom of movement to everyone
• Freedom of assembly for all citizens
• Freedom of association for all citizens
• There shall be freedom of trade, business and profession for all citizens.
• Freedom of speech for all citizens
• All citizens shall have right to have access to information in all matters of public importance under article 19A.
• Freedom to profess religion and to manage religious institution in country
• Safeguard against the taxation for the purposes of any particular religion.
• Safeguard as to educational institutes in respect of religion etc.
• All citizens have right to acquire, hold and dispose of property in any part of Pakistan.
• Protection of property rights of owners.
• All citizens are equal and there shall be no discrimination on bases of sex etc.
• Free and compulsory education to all children of age 5 to 16 by Government
• No discrimination in respect of access to public places.
• Safeguard against discrimination in services.
• All citizens have right to preserve their particular language, script and culture

Then who have been voting them into power all these years?

These are the same tribal chiefs who used to blow tgas pipes and wouldn't let any concrete structure build in their area over royalty issues. Forget about the laborers tell me How many punjabi and sindhi professors and doctors have been targeted in the past years by the naraz baloch that now nobody is willing to go serve in balochistan? And to top it off the Baloch politicians are least interested in what happens in their province. They spend more time in isb and Karachi than in their own constituencies.

 

[S.Y.A]

Not true at all. Tribal chiefs are figure of respect for the locals, nohting wrong with it, they have no authority. You are just diverting the topic, looking for scapegoat for failure of the state of Pakistan. Yeah sure its the bloody tribal chiefs responsible for the all the mess. How dare i questioned the Pakistani government or state.

well, since they have no authority then why do they demand money from the govt under different pretexts? they have money to maintain militias and armies, and palaces and land cruisers, yet they dont have money to invest in their people?

 

[Cuirassier]

I am not talking about individuals. I am giving you a broader view of the problem. Army or FC doesnt matter. People are dying. Military establishment is powerful institute, they have the ability to see beneath the surface of things, you cannot expect the same from a Baloch youth on mountains. If he carries arms, it doesnt mean you ll go with your full might after him. Are they not the Children of Pakistan, if they are angry or have concerns, should the state not listen to them?? or just eliminate them.

No full might is being used as I said before. Don't be gullible. There have been many initiatives to help the populace and develop the area, but it's difficult because of the sparse density and terrain. Even CPEC was done to convert the semi-desert into something like UAE. Locals complain of not being hired in projects but don't possess the skills - due to alot of factors such as education & resources. While I do agree that the establishment is significantly responsible for such provision owing to it's influence in the province, you can't be blind to the efforts local units do to assist the people, and to the overall responsibility of the civilian setup. How can you expect those guys to prosper in a country of our status where even the villagers in supposedly richest province don't have access to good sanitary setup and electricity. These men who are dying in service are not darindey or wehshi, try to understand, be emphathetic.