Qaher 313 to perform taxi on 09 Feb 2017

[ARABIC]

how can saudi have df-21?? i mean its a nuclear tipped missile and saudi is not nuclear weapon country...and u also posted our shaheen ll missile :-/

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[warfareknow]

Shut your big mouth wahabi scum.
Their location is Israel.
No wonder Israel has the biggest net army in the world. Most of them are trolling in the name of Iranians.

You are so toxic.

bla bla

 

[Pandora]

This plane is aerodynamically flawed. Its wing shape negates concept of stealth.

The Qaher-313 has as much propaganda value for iran , as the F-35 does for israel ; show that plane to the average israeli jew and he would have no clue that thing couldn't even fly

Hope you werent sleeping when F35 landed in Israel infront of thousands of Cameras. F-35 is a reality compared to a plane like Qaher whos aerodynamics dont even make sense. At least it would have been more convincing if the wings were straight.

First make a standard 4th gen plane a reality then you can focus on stealth in about 5 decades or so.

 

[Gothic]

we're not really capable of making proper planes , but neither is israel , the f-35 is entirely built in the USA , if some israeli companies made minor contributions then that is a drawback for f-35I and not a positive point .

the only planes israel makes lavi and kfir don't look much more advanced than our own rebranded f-5s

Changes from standard F-35A[edit]

A senior Israeli air force official stated, "the aircraft will be designated F-35I, as there will be unique Israeli features installed in them." The United States initially refused to allow the integration of Israel's own electronic warfare systems into the aircraft’s built-in electronic suite. However, Israel planned the introduction of a plug-and-play feature added to the main computer to allow for the use of Israeli electronics in an add-on fashion, and to fit its own external jamming pod.[54] The IAF dispatched two officers to the US where they discussed issues involving the integration of Israeli technology into the fighter with Pentagon and Lockheed Martin officials.[34] In July 2011, it was reported that the U.S. had agreed to allow Israel to install its own electronic warfare systems and missiles in its F-35s in the future.[55] In 2012 Lockheed was awarded a contract to make changes to the first Israeli F-35s to allow the installation of Israeli electronic warfare equipment produced by Elbit Systems.[56][57] This equipment will use "specific apertures... in the lower fuselage and leading edge".[58] Israel also plans to install its own indigenously-produced guided bombs and air-to-air missiles in the F-35's internal weapon bays.[54] Benni Cohen compared the Israel Aerospace Industries Command and control system to an iPhone App that would run on top of the central avionics.[59]

Israel Aerospace Industries will manufacture the outer wings of Israel's F-35s.[57] IAI may also play a role in the development of a proposed two-seat F-35. An IAI executive stated, "There is a known demand for two seats not only from Israel but from other air forces. Advanced aircraft are usually two seats rather than single seats."[60] The Israeli F-35s helmet-mounted displays will also be manufactured in Israel.[61] This is part of the Offset agreement provided to Israel, in spite of the purchase being entirely funded by American aid.[62]

An IAF official stated that while the stealth of the F-35 in its current form will be overcome in 5–10 years, the aircraft will be in service for 30–40 years, and that is the reason that Israel insisted on the ability to make its own changes to the aircraft's electronic warfare systems.[63]

The first 19 aircraft will be delivered as standard F-35As while the remaining 31 will be fully equipped F-35I.[64]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II_Israeli_procurement

 

[AmirPatriot]

@ARABIC first of all reply properly with the multi quote, this red text thing is annoying.

Saudi does not have Pakistani missile. That's your word against everyone else's.
you don't know any thing about pak saudi relation

Its you who don't know anything. Nobody says Saudi has Pakistani missiles, this is something you have fabricated.

-Saudi has them in small numbers
who tell you that give me a source

"Saudi Arabia does not possess weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), and is a party to the major nonproliferation treaties and agreements. Saudi Arabia possesses approximately 36 Dongfeng-3 (NATO: CSS-2) intermediate-range ballistic missiles"

http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/saudi-arabia/

Says Saudi bought 36 DF-3A with 12 TELs. Its optimistic that Saudi bought 36 DF-21 as DF-21 is so much more advanced but lets be optimistic and say Saudi bought 36 DF-21. That puts the total inventory at 72 missiles, which is a tiny number in comparison with the hundreds and/or even thousands that Iran has.

That is, if Saudi bought the DF-21 at all which is in some doubt http://carnegietsinghua.org/2014/11/10/did-china-export-df-21-missiles-to-saudi-arabia-pub-57258

But I'll be kind and say they did since even if they did Saudi's capability is still far behind Iran's.

-they are not mobile
df-3 is not mobile but df-21 totally mobile

No evidence to suggest that Saudi bought any TELs for the DF-21, nor is there any evidence to support Saudi changing its strategy wrt ballistic missile launch procedures.

-they are launched from static launch pads out in the open. This is the worst launch method as they can be destroyed incredibly easily
not the df-21

See above.

-the DF-3 is innacurate
depends on what warhead saudi will put (CM>BW<NC)

Saudi has none of those, and DF-3 sold to Saudi was modified specifically to be unable to carry nuclear payload. Same for the DF-21. The CIA made sure of that.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/01/30/why-did-saudi-arabia-buy-chinese-missiles/

http://thediplomat.com/2014/01/china-secretly-sold-saudi-arabia-df-21-missiles-with-cia-approval/

-the DF-21 is an export version and may be inaccurate

The DF-21C with 30 metre accuracy was only put into Chinese service in 2010. Some sources say Saudi bought the DF-21 in 2003, others say 2007. The Chinese wouldn't sell the Saudis the DF-21 before they had even developed or deployed it in China. So most likely the Saudi DF-21 is the DF-21A/B with approx. 300 metre accuracy.

I don't have to keep giving you sources go on Wikipedia its easy.

-contrary to your claims the DF-21 version that Saudi has no anti ship
DF-21导弹是中东地区前所未有的最先进的地对地弹道导弹，可用于摧毁敌人的城市、军事基地、舰船和机场，具有先进突防手段，目前防空系统难以拦截。中国销售沙特的所有东风-21导弹系统，都包括一个完整成套的维修保养体制。

DF-21 missiles are the most advanced ground-to-ground ballistic missiles ever used in the Middle East. They can be used to destroy enemy cities, military bases, ships and airports, and have advanced means of penetration. All of China's Dongfeng-21 missile systems sold in Saudi Arabia, including a complete package of maintenance system.

Only the DF-21D can hit ships. FFS China hasn't even fully developed the DF-21D now and you think they would sell it to Saudi 10 years ago? Dream on man. It wouldn't happen. In any case the DF-21D needs extensive recon assets like spy satellites and long range UAVs and OTH radars, none of which Saudi has in fact even China doesn't fully have this capability yet. So like I said dream on. Saudi most likely has the inaccurate DF-21A and absolutely 0% chance of DF-21D.

Conclusion = Saudi ballistic capability is still a joke compared to Iran which has;
with the saudi arabia air force and ballistic missile force iran home made missile is the joke you are not better then china or pakistan in ballistic missile force not even a 10 %

IThat's a different discussion and I'm not talking about China or Pakistan anyway. I'm talking about Saudi which has a small number of inaccurate missiles compared to Iran's which has:

-staggering numbers of missiles
-mass production of missiles
-advanced targeting enabling good accuracy
-silo and mobile launchers
-anti ship ballistic missiles
BLA BLA BLA

You have nothing intelligent to say.

Look at SOHEIL's flag Amir jan. WTF?!!!

He's just trolling.

 

[SOHEIL]

He's just trolling.

 

[VEVAK]

@ARABIC first of all reply properly with the multi quote, this red text thing is annoying.

Saudi does not have Pakistani missile. That's your word against everyone else's.
you don't know any thing about pak saudi relation

Its you who don't know anything. Nobody says Saudi has Pakistani missiles, this is something you have fabricated.

-Saudi has them in small numbers
who tell you that give me a source

"Saudi Arabia does not possess weapons of mass destruction (WMDs), and is a party to the major nonproliferation treaties and agreements. Saudi Arabia possesses approximately 36 Dongfeng-3 (NATO: CSS-2) intermediate-range ballistic missiles"

http://www.nti.org/learn/countries/saudi-arabia/

Says Saudi bought 36 DF-3A with 12 TELs. Its optimistic that Saudi bought 36 DF-21 as DF-21 is so much more advanced but lets be optimistic and say Saudi bought 36 DF-21. That puts the total inventory at 72 missiles, which is a tiny number in comparison with the hundreds and/or even thousands that Iran has.

That is, if Saudi bought the DF-21 at all which is in some doubt http://carnegietsinghua.org/2014/11/10/did-china-export-df-21-missiles-to-saudi-arabia-pub-57258

But I'll be kind and say they did since even if they did Saudi's capability is still far behind Iran's.

-they are not mobile
df-3 is not mobile but df-21 totally mobile

No evidence to suggest that Saudi bought any TELs for the DF-21, nor is there any evidence to support Saudi changing its strategy wrt ballistic missile launch procedures.

-they are launched from static launch pads out in the open. This is the worst launch method as they can be destroyed incredibly easily
not the df-21

See above.

-the DF-3 is innacurate
depends on what warhead saudi will put (CM>BW<NC)

Saudi has none of those, and DF-3 sold to Saudi was modified specifically to be unable to carry nuclear payload. Same for the DF-21. The CIA made sure of that.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/01/30/why-did-saudi-arabia-buy-chinese-missiles/

http://thediplomat.com/2014/01/china-secretly-sold-saudi-arabia-df-21-missiles-with-cia-approval/

-the DF-21 is an export version and may be inaccurate

The DF-21C with 30 metre accuracy was only put into Chinese service in 2010. Some sources say Saudi bought the DF-21 in 2003, others say 2007. The Chinese wouldn't sell the Saudis the DF-21 before they had even developed or deployed it in China. So most likely the Saudi DF-21 is the DF-21A/B with approx. 300 metre accuracy.

I don't have to keep giving you sources go on Wikipedia its easy.

-contrary to your claims the DF-21 version that Saudi has no anti ship
DF-21导弹是中东地区前所未有的最先进的地对地弹道导弹，可用于摧毁敌人的城市、军事基地、舰船和机场，具有先进突防手段，目前防空系统难以拦截。中国销售沙特的所有东风-21导弹系统，都包括一个完整成套的维修保养体制。

DF-21 missiles are the most advanced ground-to-ground ballistic missiles ever used in the Middle East. They can be used to destroy enemy cities, military bases, ships and airports, and have advanced means of penetration. All of China's Dongfeng-21 missile systems sold in Saudi Arabia, including a complete package of maintenance system.

Only the DF-21D can hit ships. FFS China hasn't even fully developed the DF-21D now and you think they would sell it to Saudi 10 years ago? Dream on man. It wouldn't happen. In any case the DF-21D needs extensive recon assets like spy satellites and long range UAVs and OTH radars, none of which Saudi has in fact even China doesn't fully have this capability yet. So like I said dream on. Saudi most likely has the inaccurate DF-21A and absolutely 0% chance of DF-21D.

Conclusion = Saudi ballistic capability is still a joke compared to Iran which has;
with the saudi arabia air force and ballistic missile force iran home made missile is the joke you are not better then china or pakistan in ballistic missile force not even a 10 %

IThat's a different discussion and I'm not talking about China or Pakistan anyway. I'm talking about Saudi which has a small number of inaccurate missiles compared to Iran's which has:

-staggering numbers of missiles
-mass production of missiles
-advanced targeting enabling good accuracy
-silo and mobile launchers
-anti ship ballistic missiles
BLA BLA BLA

You have nothing intelligent to say.



He's just trolling.

And even if they had the DF-21C how many launchers & how many trained personal do they have that could possibly launch them!
At MAX they hit 12 fixed targets with a 600kg warhead!
All the DF-3A that they purchased in 1988 are all useless by now & they more likely than not lack the capability to keep up with the upkeep & a liquid fueled missile with 4 engines without proper upkeep purchased 30 years ago will more likely than not blow up in their faces!! & they have had no live fire training!

Iran's sejil-2 is 10,000 lb heaver with 1000km more range! so he is boasting about a missile that they purchased vs missiles Iran started producing almost a decade ago!!

 

[ARABIC]

And even if they had the DF-21C how many launchers & how many trained personal do they have that could possibly launch them!
At MAX they hit 12 fixed targets with a 600kg warhead!
All the DF-3A that they purchased in 1988 are all useless by now & they more likely than not lack the capability to keep up with the upkeep & a liquid fueled missile with 4 engines without proper upkeep purchased 30 years ago will more likely than not blow up in their faces!! & they have had no live fire training!

Iran's sejil-2 is 10,000 lb heaver with 1000km more range! so he is boasting about a missile that they purchased vs missiles Iran started producing almost a decade ago!!

look ballistic missile with out nucler or cw or bw is usless
why i will tell
saudi arabia have 151 f-15sa

each fighter can hold a 11 ton of bombs thats mean 22,000 lb bound which is better then al of your usles ballistic missile
that's mean each fighter can hold 11 2,000 lb bomb
so we are talking about 1661 bomb at the same time in diffrent position
range = 2,400 miles (3,862.4 km)

we didnt count the
72 euro typhoon = each one can hold = 16,535 lb

79 f-15 c/d = e/o = 16,000 lb

81 tornado ids = e/o = 19.800 lb

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[yavar]

look ballistic missile with out nucler or cw or bw is usless

for Iranian members
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i never thought of day i ever agree to any of your nonsense statements .
but this part of your statement is accurate . is not totally useless but in case of war with Nato + participation Islamic Nato alliance + coalition some other countries .

جانشین فرمانده کل سپاه پاسداران به توانمندی‌های سپاه درباره تهدیدات اشاره کرد و گفت: بعد از خاتمه جنگ ما فرض اساسی و راهبردی توسعه قدرت دفاعی و تهاجمی خود را براساس جنگ با یک ائتلافی از قدرت‌های جهانی و منطقه‌ای قرار دادیم بود.

'Muslim Nato'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/201

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...tan-army-chief-raheel-sharif-lead-muslim-nato

 

[ARABIC]

for Iranian members
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i never thought of day i ever agree to any of your nonsense statements .
but this part of your statement is accurate . is not totally useless but in case of war with Nato + participation Islamic Nato alliance + coalition some other countries .

جانشین فرمانده کل سپاه پاسداران به توانمندی‌های سپاه درباره تهدیدات اشاره کرد و گفت: بعد از خاتمه جنگ ما فرض اساسی و راهبردی توسعه قدرت دفاعی و تهاجمی خود را براساس جنگ با یک ائتلافی از قدرت‌های جهانی و منطقه‌ای قرار دادیم بود.

'Muslim Nato'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/201

the only way that iran can reach us is by missile only
but on the missile way it will face a lot of air defenses
wich i think 99.99 % it will shutdown the missile
us have a huge arsenal maybe us will shout it down in the arabian gulf

 

[Aramagedon]

the only way that iran can reach us is by missile only
but on the missile way it will face a lot of air defenses
wich i think 99.99 % it will shutdown the missile
us have a huge arsenal maybe us will shout it down in the arabian gulf

There won't be any Saudi arabia just 5 hours after Iran saudi war.

 

[Erl]

There won't be any Saudi arabia just 5 hours after Iran saudi war.

Only 5 minutes.
Imagine Those nice flying birds coming towards Iran, we will not even shoot them we will just inform them, there is no runway in your country to return. And they will be forced to land on our runways. Remember Saddam's Mirages and Migs. They will be welcome

the only way that iran can reach us is by missile only
but on the missile way it will face a lot of air defenses
wich i think 99.99 % it will shutdown the missile
us have a huge arsenal maybe us will shout it down in the arabian gulf

We are fully prepared to confront USA. You will bow to us when we humiliated uncle Sam in other words your western masters.
If there was no US presence in our region and Persian gulf, we could develop our friendship instead of insulting each other but your loser kingdom will never understand our intentions. Although after invading Yemen, you became our sworn enemies. By the aid of Arabian people, you Al-Saud family will be punished to death.

 

[Aramagedon]

Only 5 minutes.
Imagine Those nice flying birds coming towards Iran, we will not even shoot them we will just inform them, there is no runway in your country to return. And they will be forced to land on our runways. Remember Saddam's Mirages and Migs. They will be welcome

We are fully prepared to confront USA. You will bow to us when we humiliated uncle Sam in other words your western masters.
If there was no US presence in our region and Persian gulf, we could develop our friendship instead of insulting each other but your loser kingdom will never understand our intentions. Although after invading Yemen, you became our sworn enemies. By the aid of Arabian people, you Al-Saud family will be punished to death.

Well said.

All of their airports, factories, military bases etc... will be razed to dust. No airport for landing will remain in Saudia.

It would be a nice exercise for our missiles.

 

[B@KH]

Well said.

All of their airports, factories, military bases etc... will be razed to dust. No airport for landing will remain in Saudia.
It would be a nice exercise for our missiles.

saudi is not alone. they are hiding under the cover of chain of black swan events and will not shy in creating turmoils in their own land to deceive opponents. they created terrorists to fight them to distract and trap rivals to make them support their terrorists. see how easily they removed their friends like saddam. some thing big is needed that enemy could not think to that level. It is Not joke to deal this evil. Next wars will be NW CW BW and from both east and west and north and south. the sole beneficiary israel must pay for everything. this all political weaving to build wahabi army is to destroy islam and save israel.

 

[ARABIC]

Well said.

All of their airports, factories, military bases etc... will be razed to dust. No airport for landing will remain in Saudia.

It would be a nice exercise for our missiles.

sure as we don't have any air defens
we shout down all your home made missile that you give it to houthi's