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295-C talks about giving death to blasphemy. This is why what we've been pointing out.
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295-C talks about giving death to blasphemy. This is why what we've been pointing out.
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Death penalty is a deterrent and it should stay for foreseeable future. Lifetime should remain.
I personally feel that lifetime is a far worse punishment but hey-ho.
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Blasphemy laws aren't part of 'Faith'.
Capital punishment = Capital offence.
Blasphemy laws need reviewing. Mob lynchers should meet same end and banned. There should be a clear vocal statement on this through all sectors of society within Pakistan.
Capital punishment = Capital offence.
Blasphemy laws need reviewing. Mob lynchers should meet same end and banned. There should be a clear vocal statement on this through all sectors of society within Pakistan.
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The person who informed you that capital punishment is not being granted must've also told you that making changes is also not possible. Unless he/she is a real duffer!
Law is not changing anytime soon. Moan all you want over it and discuss it to death if need be, it's not changing.
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You soti danda types can pound the doors and cry as much as you want because section 295-C is as good as dead and won't be activated. LOL
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Activated or not, the law exists and that's the real sore for libturds!
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It's a sore for the whole country and faith because it makes it excusable for mob lynchers to refer their actions to this law.
Not being activated is what sores soti danda and radicals. What a shame.
Oh and trust me it's only there to shut some people up. Gradually as society evolves they'll make a slow shift. Lol
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As i said before, I consider lifetime punishment to be worse and as long as that stays in place I'm fine with it. I'd be fine with a blasphemer rot in jail til his natural death, that itself will stop many from going down that route.
Society is being infested with those who are mutating the deen, the so called liberal and secular muslims. These lot do not even know the difference between Deen and Religion. This law is to stop them from overstepping.
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Not necessarily. It is a double-edged sword. Esp. in countries/areas with officially-sponsored highly charged religious atmospheres, and when the crime/allegation is related to the religion of the majority. It has proven to be a positive incentive to murder as well, i.e. Murder by lynch mobs. And many times the victims were/are innocent.
Also, the argument that "death penalty for blasphemers in PPC acts as a deterrent against blasphemy" can not be accepted as the statistical data proves otherwise. Between 1947 to 1979, before the enactment of 295-C, not a single case of defilement of the Holy Qur'an or blasphemy against Rasul Allah by any Muslim or Non Muslim was filed under the then-prevailing blasphemy law (which didn't carry a death penalty for blasphemy). But ever since the enactment of 295-C, hundreds of such cases have been "filed" in Pakistan, almost half of them against those belonging to religious minorities, despite the fact that minorities hardly constitute 3% of Pakistan's total population.
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Taking law in on hand is wrong. The incentive argument is irrelevant and can be addressed without amending the law.
And this law is more applicable to current times with the rise of the so called Liberal and Secular Muslims who do not know where the red line is.
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No, It's not irrelevant ... And it can't be addressed without amending the law
As for "the red line", who draws those red lines ? Mullahs and their followers ?
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Red line is already drawn in the law!
As for you saying it can't be addressed, that's your opinion. Let's wait and see if you are proven right or wrong.
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You weren't talking about "the red line" drawn in the Law, were you ? Everyone knows what the current Blasphemy Laws are
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that it can (or will) be addressed under prevailing circumstances, without amending the law
Misuse is not fault of law... but weakness of courts and police... solve the problem .. dont create a new one
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IMHO the best editorial I have come across on this subject.
Editorial
April 18, 2017
How they murdered Mashal
It is now clear that the inhuman lynching of Mashal Khan at Abdul Wali Khan University in Mardan was a conspiracy and could also involve campus politics. Those arrested and named in the case include employees and officials of the university, a PTI local councillor, members of the ANP’s Pakhtun Students Federation – the largest political presence on the campus – and some teachers and professors. For those familiar with what goes on in the name of student politics in our universities, it is clear what the nature of administration and management would be when the campus is ruled by one political group. Mashal, a bright young student of progressive bent, had been a part of the PSF and was said to have displeased not just the university’s ‘mainstream’ PSF leadership but also those of the ISF of the PTI and the IJT of the Jamaat-e-Islami. What has now come to light is that members of all these organisations participated in the inhuman act. Mashal had been very critical of the way the university was being run by the administration and had lambasted its hostility and aggression. So he became a target of a long chain of corruption and crime that comprised elements from every segment of the university. The fake Facebook page using his profile was part of the conspiracy to concoct allegations of blasphemy against him, which continued even after he had been eliminated in the form of the university notification against him and two other students. The revelations by one of Mashal’s teachers, the statement to the police by Mashal’s friend Abdullah who was critically injured in the same incident, and the confession by one of the accused in the case make clear the management and the teachers’ role in provoking the mob and causing the murder. Questions must also be raised about the role of the police that day. But this will still appear to be only the tip of the iceberg. We know from experience that, in such a case, an investigation can either discover or distort the whole picture. What is it going to be this time around?
How did we get to a place where something so horrific can happen? The fact is that the fires of hatred were inflamed and encouraged by a narrative already in place. Who can deny that this atmosphere of hate and fanaticism has been created by religion of politics and politics of religion? The process has involved not only right-wing ‘religious’ parties and groups but also politicians of other hues, and the state itself. The process is all-encompassing and includes many in the media. The sum-total of all this is a powerful ideologisation of intimidation, abduction, torture and murder. In a brutalised society, conspiracies hatched to generate frenzy and lead a mob of young men to maul a peer to death can shake you to the bones, but they cannot surprise you. It is now up to the Supreme Court to inquire into this case. We have seen in the past how such cases have not come to much. To prove our humanity to ourselves, can we expect a difference this time? The case should be far more important than anything else at the moment. We don’t expect much from politicians and parties. Criminal hypocrisy in such matters has always been a common thread running through them all. In one way or the other, they have all been part of the hate narrative – either out of fear or political expediency. We will now be expected to forget Mashal in the coming rush of other ‘breaking news’. Can the civil society, our teachers, students and rank-and-file activists, be seen as candidates to keep this case alive? Because beyond the more immediate case is the much more difficult task of fixing a ‘society’ that has started devouring its own children.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/199227-How-they-murdered-Mashal
Editorial
April 18, 2017
How they murdered Mashal
It is now clear that the inhuman lynching of Mashal Khan at Abdul Wali Khan University in Mardan was a conspiracy and could also involve campus politics. Those arrested and named in the case include employees and officials of the university, a PTI local councillor, members of the ANP’s Pakhtun Students Federation – the largest political presence on the campus – and some teachers and professors. For those familiar with what goes on in the name of student politics in our universities, it is clear what the nature of administration and management would be when the campus is ruled by one political group. Mashal, a bright young student of progressive bent, had been a part of the PSF and was said to have displeased not just the university’s ‘mainstream’ PSF leadership but also those of the ISF of the PTI and the IJT of the Jamaat-e-Islami. What has now come to light is that members of all these organisations participated in the inhuman act. Mashal had been very critical of the way the university was being run by the administration and had lambasted its hostility and aggression. So he became a target of a long chain of corruption and crime that comprised elements from every segment of the university. The fake Facebook page using his profile was part of the conspiracy to concoct allegations of blasphemy against him, which continued even after he had been eliminated in the form of the university notification against him and two other students. The revelations by one of Mashal’s teachers, the statement to the police by Mashal’s friend Abdullah who was critically injured in the same incident, and the confession by one of the accused in the case make clear the management and the teachers’ role in provoking the mob and causing the murder. Questions must also be raised about the role of the police that day. But this will still appear to be only the tip of the iceberg. We know from experience that, in such a case, an investigation can either discover or distort the whole picture. What is it going to be this time around?
How did we get to a place where something so horrific can happen? The fact is that the fires of hatred were inflamed and encouraged by a narrative already in place. Who can deny that this atmosphere of hate and fanaticism has been created by religion of politics and politics of religion? The process has involved not only right-wing ‘religious’ parties and groups but also politicians of other hues, and the state itself. The process is all-encompassing and includes many in the media. The sum-total of all this is a powerful ideologisation of intimidation, abduction, torture and murder. In a brutalised society, conspiracies hatched to generate frenzy and lead a mob of young men to maul a peer to death can shake you to the bones, but they cannot surprise you. It is now up to the Supreme Court to inquire into this case. We have seen in the past how such cases have not come to much. To prove our humanity to ourselves, can we expect a difference this time? The case should be far more important than anything else at the moment. We don’t expect much from politicians and parties. Criminal hypocrisy in such matters has always been a common thread running through them all. In one way or the other, they have all been part of the hate narrative – either out of fear or political expediency. We will now be expected to forget Mashal in the coming rush of other ‘breaking news’. Can the civil society, our teachers, students and rank-and-file activists, be seen as candidates to keep this case alive? Because beyond the more immediate case is the much more difficult task of fixing a ‘society’ that has started devouring its own children.
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/199227-How-they-murdered-Mashal
