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Section 295-C 'there but not there'. Thank you STATE! :)

@Proudpakistaniguy @TankMan @The Sandman
But still law have to go away because people have/are killed because of it half of the people you see defending this law don't actually know the teachings of Holy Prophet, Islam and Quran and those who know these defend it just because of their ego's because this thing have been engraved in their minds that liberals/secularists are the enemies of Islam and Pakistan and that it's their job to defend it although in their hearts they very well know that this is law is unIslamic but they still defend it because their brain doesn't allow them to think otherwise.

In all of this what they don't realize is that it's them who are actually damaging the image of Holy Prophet showing Islam as some kind of an oppressive religion imo they're the one's who is committing blasphemy even in this thread you can see how happy they get when they learnt that murderers (maybe) belongs to ANP (it's a secular leftist party) they just want to humiliate, oppose, insult liberals on everything (doesn't matter good or bad) because they feel they've earned a sawaab (reward) infront of Allah by doing so it's this mindset that we've to change and InshAllah change will come the damage Zia did to this country will take a few more years before it can be repaired.
@Azlan Haider @Hell hound @Zibago @haviZsultan maybe you guys wanna add something?
 
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Let me ask again ,
1 , Where did I defended or justified the killing? , as you blamed me for that...
When someone suggest that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ordered Sahabah to kill those who insulted him then it mean they simply justifying the act of mobs because they were following the example of sahabah. I apology if you think otherwise because I cannot understand what disagreement you have with us if you are against death penalty for blasphemy
2, R u religious scholar ?
No, none of us is scholar in here but I don't blindly follow every X, Y , Z Mullah out there who claimed to be scholar. Those TTP guys also learned about Islam from these so called scholars who label suicide bombing and killing innocent as jihad and forcing Islam in throat of others by using force and spread hatred, violence and sectarianism in the name of Islam
3, why not you or @Divergent1 go in supreme court ? file petition against the Law and have legal battle?
I am not against law. I think there should be some form of laws (death penalty would be too harsh) to protect the honour and dignity of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and there should not be free license for anyone to mock Prophet or scripture of any religion which off course will hurt the religious sentiment of public and will disrupt law and order situation in society. My objection is associating blasphemy laws with Islam or Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) by suggesting that our Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) preferred revenge and violence over mercy and forgiveness. When we do this then we give this free license to these so called ashiq e rasool who will not hesitate to take laws in their hand to kill those whom they perceive as Gustakh e Islam or rasool ..they will not wait to verify statements and collecting evidence and going in law of court and then punish others through a proper procedures
 
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Draconian = harsh and severe. Blasphemy laws I've said before I feel requires a reformation and don't believe it's part of Faith. I don't have a problem with the term being criticising. I have doubts and I don't know why you keep saying 'we as Pakistanis' - which singles the rest of us out as though we don't have a right or say or have made no contributions. You've no idea what background one comes from. If I or anyone else feels something is flawed we'd point it out, that doesn't make us any less 'Pakistani' but maybe because we care and don't like the way it's portrayed.

The issue I have is if you're genuinely not being biased even IF your view differs - don't carry out personal attacks or foul language and none of us have done that except on reactionary basis. Conduct your arguments correctly.

FYI - I'm Pakistani too.
It was a sarcastic post :P
 
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It was a sarcastic post :P
please avoid using extreme words. if you are referring to our Blasphemy law then do note that we Pious people of Pure Pakistan cleansed ourselves in 1986 by correcting all the ills and omissions of all of our Arab, French , German, Klingon , Sudanese and Cambodian ancestors and made our faith and our feelings impregnable from the lesser enlightened people.


so please refrain from using it before your own cat issues a fatwa on your behind and make it a sorry ***.

Sorry Sir I just realised this was a sarcastic post LOL

It's very refreshing to see experts and educants are on the same wave length.

Pakistan has hope InShaAllah.
 
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When someone suggest that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ordered Sahabah to kill those who insulted him then it mean they simply justifying the act of mobs because they were following the example of sahabah. I apology if you think otherwise because I cannot understand what disagreement you have with us if you are against death penalty for blasphemy

The way how you guys dealing with it , with the issue , without knowing any fact , before any investigation. And as far as death penalty concerns , Let me know who was the last person who got it by the courts? But still you don't understand.

No, none of us is scholar in here but I don't blindly follow every X, Y , Z Mullah out there who claimed to be scholar. Those TTP guys also learned about Islam from these so called scholars who label suicide bombing and killing innocent as jihad and forcing Islam in throat of others by using force and spread hatred, violence and sectarianism in the name of Islam

That is y Quran tells us to read and do some thinking job . And Our Great Last Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) tells us to learn , not blindly fallow .The bold part have nothing to do with Islam , its meanly about self gain and ....... what not ......... but not Islam.
I even posted few videos (forgot which page and thread) .

I am not against law. I think there should be some form of laws (death penalty would be too harsh) to protect the honour and dignity of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) and there should not be free license for anyone to mock Prophet or scripture of any religion which off course will hurt the religious sentiment of public and will disrupt law and order situation in society. My objection is associating blasphemy laws with Islam or Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) by suggesting that our Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) preferred revenge and violence over mercy and forgiveness. When we do this then we give this free license to these so called ashiq e rasool who will not hesitate to take laws in their hand to kill those whom they perceive as Gustakh e Islam or rasool ..they will not wait to verify statements and collecting evidence and going in law of court and then punish others through a proper procedures

Now just read this part of your post again , Nicely putting every thing , not calling it jungle law , or what not and making job even more harder and providing extremists fuel for the fire.
Now as I said above things can be done in parliament or supreme court but not on open forum with bad mouthing.
And one more thing its next to impossible to prove some one did blasphemy if that person don't openly accept and stay on blasphemy .
And believe me Law or no Law people will kill ..... Law is actually doing quite opposite what so called liberals think of it, To me they want to destroy peace of Pakistan , they want to push us towards anarchy . And religious extremist want that too.
Actually both sides want it because that serve them the better , now its on up to us how we come out of this and safe Pakistan and Constitution of Pakistan.................
To me those so called liberals and free thinkers have set agenda and That is "Honour and Love Of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Read there post from beginning to till end you will find out...............
 
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This is not the right time to be talking of any changes in blasphemy laws and they won't happen soon anyways.

No politician is going to open this front anytime soon. Faster you lot get this in your heads, better it will be.
 
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This is not the right time to be talking of any changes in blasphemy laws and they won't happen soon anyways.

No politician is going to open this front anytime soon. Faster you lot get this in your heads, better it will be.
They don't want to lesson or understand , Its look like they are doing it intentionally. Law is not the issue , they have set agenda and that is anarchy in Pakistan.
And as I said above that is what both sides really want because that serve them the best!!!!!!!!!
This lot have(given by there masters) set agenda ,And that is Honour and Love of Your Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...... And they wont backing off.
Have you notice no body answered my question about killing in France because of Hijab (and hijab laws) if you tow there line.........
But I am also happy people who openly call them self Atheist and not religious , quoting Quran , Hadith again and again.
Don't you find that amusing ........ People referring to same Quran which they don't believe In and Quoting the Hadiths of same Prophet whom they don't have faith In......
I had enough , did my part , now up to people and mods ............. I did not join the forum for this like few others!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@The Eagle , @WebMaster , @WAJsal , @Oscar , @Horus
 
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Reformation of Blasphemy laws or being under review hasn't been more substantial than it is in this very moment in time. An innocent has lost his life in the name of Faith because he was openly vocal about corruption within his university admin. He stood out because he was a 'free thinker' and couldn't conform.

Losing a life to something ordinary is a loss itself, but to lose a life wrongly in the name of 'Faith' is an insult to those who hold it at high regard as well as damaging its image.

In a couple of years down the line another incident will occur and it'll just be another case of the past. Any kind of blasphemous content isn't acceptable and should be sentenced. But not killed.

CAN'T USE State Capital punishment unless it is treason, murder, terrorism and rape etc.

Even IF section 295-C is there, it's not been implemented for a reason. States not stupid.

Its common sense.
 
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already many threads on this topic .Please not provoke public by using this incident.The more you do more such incidents happen.All this is done by foreign agencies to divide our society and waste our time.In u.s Muslim judge was killed but their media is not highlighting.this incident is great conspiracy against Pakistan we should not highlight it all the time

Most honourable Sir,

I am sorry but please do not wash your hands off by simply blaming the foreign agencies. No foreigners were involved, the victim as well as the perpetrators were all Pakistanis. The fact is that the society has become obsessed with religion and care more about the frivolous but ignore the important edicts of Islam. How can a mob kill a person without ascertaining that the person is actually guilty? Does Islam allow a Muslim to be the accuser, the qazi and the executioner without recourse to any court of law?

Rather than condemning the heinous act; are you saying that because some criminal bigots killed a Muslim judge in the US, we should sweep this barbarity under the carpet?

What kind of argument is this? How many more murders of innocents like Mishaal Khan will make you realise that such extremism and intolerance behaviour of the university students requires a serious look at our society’s shortcomings?
 
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Most honourable Sir,

I am sorry but please do not wash your hands off by simply blaming the foreign agencies. No foreigners were involved, the victim as well as the perpetrators were all Pakistanis. The fact is that the society has become obsessed with religion and care more about the frivolous but ignore the important edicts of Islam. How can a mob kill a person without ascertaining that the person is actually guilty? Does Islam allow a Muslim to be the accuser, the qazi and the executioner without recourse to any court of law?

Rather than condemning the heinous act; are you saying that because some criminal bigots killed a Muslim judge in the US, we should sweep this barbarity under the carpet?

What kind of argument is this? How many more murders of innocents like Mishaal Khan will make you realise that such extremism and intolerance behaviour of the university students requires a serious look at our society’s shortcomings?


Through out this whole ordeal I've realised something, when you show them the mirror of the ugly reality they don't accept it but will turn against you.

100% agree there's not been a genuine condemnation through out from those who favoured the law, except with 'but' or 'maybe' - that 'but' or 'maybe' brings forward excuses. Excuses create loops/leniency, minimises the remorse and considers exceptions.

Extremism is an issue and it's harming Faith and the Country more than benefitting.

It's embarrassing because there are non-Muslims on here too and what would they think? 'They make excuses' - we lack compassion and basics.

No one randomly brought up or associated 'blasphemy laws' with the case it was raised because it was used as a tool.

Faith is supposed to make you tolerant and compassionate. If its hardening hearts then that's a real concern.
 
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Not true! This murder was about power and not about faith. That has been proven. You should recognise and state the truth.

Read that quote again. 'The murder was in the name of Faith' was he not killed due to false accusations even IF the reality was different? I'm not saying that was the REAL reason. I'm saying he was killed in the NAME of Faith.

If you can't interpret don't quote.
 
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Problem is when you do gunah day in and day out and you have no knowledge of religion then you seek easy way to heaven...all those moron think they have done something that will take them to heaven...I have news for them...fires are being prepared for you, you dumb fucks, you might just kill yourself now nothing can save you from fires of hell
 
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