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Putin to Push Arms, Energy in India | Business | The Moscow Times

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin will push India to double its payment for renovations on a long-delayed aircraft carrier, while also trying to conclude other deals for arms, nuclear energy and communications during a two-day visit beginning Thursday.

New Delhi is the largest foreign buyer of Russian defense equipment, particularly aircraft, and Putin will be looking to shore up that cooperation in talks with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh during his first visit to India since January 2007.

He is also slated to meet Indian President Pratibha Patil, the government press service said in a statement Tuesday.

But the biggest issue on the agenda are cost overruns and delays to refit and deliver the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier, as the Soviet-built Admiral Gorshkov is now known. Problems with the project have been a regular thorn in generally solid bilateral ties.

A source close to state arms export monopoly Rosoboronexport told The Moscow Times that Putin would push India to sign a $2.3 billion deal to finish upgrades, which were originally expected to cost just $970 million.

The initial $1.6 billion contract, signed in 2004, would have seen the renovated carrier delivered to India in 2008 along with fighter jets that are now part of a separate contract. After years of wrangling over delays, India agreed in 2008 to another $1.2 billion in work on the carrier, with delivery pushed back to 2012.

The final price of $2.3 billion is less than the $2.7 billion total for renovations that Russia had been seeking.

Work on the Vikramaditya took so long to agree on because the Russian side did not realize how long it would take or what the costs would be, the source close to Rosoboronexport said.

"The agreement was signed in a rush. It wasn't quite clear what the weapon was and in what condition it was being sold," the source said. "Then the Russian side realized it would take longer and would cost more to finish it, and it took them more than a year to explain to the Indians why exactly they should pay twice the agreed amount."

Vladimir Pastukhov, head of the state-run Sevmash shipyard doing the work, resigned in 2007 when the underestimates and possible mismanagement of funds had already become clear.

President Dmitry Medvedev visited the shipyard in July and ordered current CEO Nikolai Kalistratov to complete the project, warning that there could be "grave consequences" for further delays. Problems at Sevmash have forced "everyone to make excuses, you to me and I to our Indian partners," Medvedev said at the time.

The source close to Rosoboronexport said three other defense deals may be discussed during the visit, although he declined to speculate on whether they would be signed. The talks could include the sale of 126 MiG-35 fighters, which are being tested as part of an Indian defense tender; development of the Russian-Indian fifth generation PAK FA fighter; and modernization of Su-30 MKI fighters.

Additionally, India is expected to complete a tender to buy patrol ships for its navy later this year, and Russia could participate in their construction, the source said. "It is most likely that an Indian company would win it, but they will build vessels in cooperation with Russia because they wouldn't be able to do it on their own :rolleyes:."

Putin is most likely to sign deals to finish the aircraft carrier, sell 29 MiG-29 fighters that would be based on the carrier for $1.2 billion and jointly develop the MTA transport aircraft, Vedomosti reported last week, citing sources close to Rosoboronexport's management.

Rosoboronexport spokesman Vyacheslav Davydenko confirmed that the three agreements would be discussed, but he declined to comment on the terms of possible agreements.

"We never link our contracts to official visits, so I can't say which of them may be signed during the visit and which may not," he said.

The government's press office was not immediately available for comment.

In a promising prelude to Putin's trip, the Indian Defense Ministry on Tuesday said it approved Rosoboronexport as a helicopter supplier.

"In 2008, we agreed to supply 80 MI-17-V-5 helicopters to India, and we will start delivering them by the year's end. Now the Indians want to buy another 60 helicopters of the same model," the source said, without commenting on the possible terms.

Experts said India was likely to stick with Russian-made arms, despite expressing concern about the quality of some aircraft and the problems with the aircraft carrier. In 2009 alone, India lost two Su-30 MKI, three MiG-27s and three MiG-21s in noncombat crashes.

"The Indian army is equipped with Soviet arms, and switching to Western analogues takes a long time," said Alexander Pikayev, a senior research fellow at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations. "Also, Russia was the only country so far that agreed to sell India an aircraft carrier, so it looks like India has no other choice. :disagree:"

Moscow and New Delhi have been expanding economic ties beyond arms exports. During Singh's visit to Moscow in December, Russia was given the green light to build nuclear plants in India and work on satellite cooperation.

The countries may sign off on a joint venture in India to produce navigation equipment that would work with both the Russian Glonass system and its U.S. equivalent, GPS, Alexander Gurko, CEO of network operator Navigation and Information Systems, said Tuesday.

India would be able to use the system's civilian signal, which offers precision within 15 meters, while the use of the more precise military signal is being negotiated, Gurko said, RIA-Novosti reported.

Putin is also expected to sign an agreement on boosting cooperation in nuclear energy. India has 4.1 gigawatts of nuclear capacity now, a figure it is trying to raise fivefold by 2020.

India will build five nuclear plants in Gujarat, Andhra-Pradesh, Maharashtra, West Bengal and Orissa states, and Russia and France are welcome to participate, Srikumar Banergi, chairman of the Indian commission on nuclear energy, said Tuesday.

Russian firms are working on the first phase of the Kudankulam plant in Tamilnad state, which will become India's most powerful. Rosatom chief Sergei Kiriyenko said last year that nuclear work in India is "not just billions [of dollars]. It's about tens of billions."

Putin is also expected to sign an agreement that would make it easier for Indian businessmen to travel to Russia, Interfax reported Tuesday, citing a high-ranking source in India.

Putin visits India for more deals - UPI.com

NEW DELHI, March 10 (UPI) -- Deals on defense and nuclear energy are likely to be concluded during Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin's trip to India, defense industry sources said.

During his two-day trip beginning Thursday, Putin will seek to conclude more agreements with India, which is already the largest foreign customer of Russian defense equipment, the Moscow Times reported.

This is Putin's first trip to India as prime minister and comes after Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's Moscow trip in December. Putin's trip comes as the United States is slowly gaining a bigger foothold in India's growing arms market.

The Times said one of the biggest issues on the agenda concerns cost overruns and delays to refurbish and deliver the Soviet-built Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier, also known by its Indian name Vikramaditya, which have become an irritant in relations between the longtime friends.

The Times quoted a source close to Russian state arms export monopoly Rosoboronexport as saying Putin would seek to sign a $2.3 billion deal to complete the upgrades on the vessel, up from the original estimate of $970 million. The delivery date, originally set for 2008, has been pushed to 2012.

Other deals likely to come up during Putin's trip could include the sale of 126 MiG-35 fighters, which are being tested as part of an Indian defense tender; development of the Russian-Indian fifth generation PAK FA fighter; and modernization of Su-30 MKI fighters, the report said, quoting its sources.

India also may reach agreement for Russian participation in the construction of navy patrol ships. Russia also would be involved in building nuclear power plants in India.
 
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DMLA,

What is our helicoptor req , and what tender is going on , could you plz help out
I guess
LIFT , Multipurpose , Attack are three categories being sought.

For combat -
heavy-APACHE, / Mil 35 ?????? or mi35 is to be phased out , not sure
medium- ????????
light- LCH probably

For LIFT-
Heavy- Chinhok ??
Medium- Mi26 / Mi17v ???????
Light- ALH ??????

For multipurpose-
Heavy-?????/
Medium- ALH ??
Light- Cheetah/Chetak ???? may be KA226/eurocopter/AW119 to replace these, no idea
 
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DMLA,

What is our helicoptor req , and what tender is going on , could you plz help out
I guess
LIFT , Multipurpose , Attack are three categories being sought.

For combat -
heavy-APACHE, / Mil 35 ?????? or mi35 is to be phased out , not sure
medium- ????????
light- LCH probably

For LIFT-
Heavy- Chinhok ??
Medium- Mi26 / Mi17v ???????
Light- ALH ??????

For multipurpose-
Heavy-?????/
Medium- ALH ??
Light- Cheetah/Chetak ???? may be KA226/eurocopter/AW119 to replace these, no idea

Combat helicopter competition to replace Mi 35, contenders AFAIK:

- Boeing Apache Longbow
- Bell AH-1Z Viper
- Mil Mi 28
- Ka 52
- Denel AH-2 Rooivalk
- AW A129 Mangusta

Eurocopter Tiger already opted out and the A129 might also fit more in the light combat helicopter class as our LCH.


The heavy lift competition to replace Mi 26, contenders AFAIK:

- new version of the Mi 26 (in development only I think)
- Boeing CH 47 Chinook
- Sikorsky CH-53E

Btw the Mi 26 is morin the super heavy class and the Chinook as well as the CH 53 only in the heavy.


The light lift competition to replace Cheetah/Chetak, contenders AFAIK:

- Eurocopter AS550 Fennec
- Kamov Ka 226
- Agosta Westland AW109
- Bell 407


There is also a competition of IN running for 20-60 naval helicopter with ASW capabilities, to replace Sea King helicopters, contenders AFAIK:

- Sikorsky S60 or S92
- Agosta Westland AW 101
- NH 90
- not sure about Russians versions
 
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cool down.......dont behave like kids who wait for their UNCLE's....so that they can have some CANDY's........


BOASTING things in the thread....is not the good way...
 
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Russia, India to sign 10 billion dollars of deals


Updated at: 1933 PST, Wednesday, March 10, 2010
MOSCOW: Russia and India will sign defence and other deals worth more than 10 billion dollars during a visit by Prime Minister Vladimir Putin to New Delhi this week, a top official said Wednesday.

"A preliminary estimate shows that the volume of the business deals in monetary value will top 10 billion dollars," Putin's foreign policy aide Yury Ushakov told reporters.

In New Delhi on Friday, Russian and Indian officials hope to ink at least 14 or 15 agreements, Ushakov said.

The most significant deals include a contract to sell India 29 MiG fighter jets and an additional agreement on the Admiral Gorshkov, a Soviet-era aircraft carrier sold to India and being refurbished by a Russian firm, Ushakov said.

He declined to give a breakdown of the 10 billion dollar package.

The Admiral Gorshkov sale has been marred by price disputes and delayed deliveries, compounding concerns in Moscow that India could be tempted to end its dependence on Russian military equipment.

Ushakov said the new agreement would iron out remaining sticking points.

"Judging by everything, we are approaching an agreement that will suit both sides," he said.

The visit starts late Thursday and lasts through Friday. Putin plans to meet Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Indian President Pratibha Patil and Sonia Gandhi, president of the ruling Congress party.

This will be Putin's first trip to India in his current capacity. As president, he last visited the country in 2007.
 
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whn the usa sent in their nuke sub into the bay of bengal in 1971 in support of pakistan the russians were quick without hesitation 2 send in their nuke fleets 2 head that way. americans turned tail and sailed out. now that is what we call a friend indeed

AHEM that was USS ENTERPRISE singh sahib imho...
 
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DMLA,

What is our helicoptor req , and what tender is going on , could you plz help out
I guess
LIFT , Multipurpose , Attack are three categories being sought.

For combat -
heavy-APACHE, / Mil 35 ?????? or mi35 is to be phased out (YES), not sure
medium- ????????
light- LCH probably

For LIFT-
Heavy- Chinhok ??
Medium- Mi26 / Mi17v ???????
Light- ALH ??????

For multipurpose-
Heavy-?????/
Medium- ALH ??
Light- Cheetah/Chetak ???? may be KA226/eurocopter/AW119 to replace these, no idea

There are so many tenders open at this point that I am confused to say the least :P!

Anyhow, these are what I know of (I would request to correct them as I may be wrong!):

Army:

206 HAL Dhruv as utility choppers. ~ 90 should have been delivered till date. The rest were supposed to be WSI version with shakti engines. I am not sure how many WSI have been delivered. Also I am not sure about the numbers :rolleyes:.

Navy:

Navy is looking at replacing the sea king fleet with a RFI sent out for ASWH/UH/SARH combo (16 helicopters). The number should rise to atleast 60-70 in the next decade.

Navy is also looking at getting more ALH (though numbers might not be high) for LUH role.

The air force tender for LUH should fulfill navy requirements as well.

Air Force:

This is a report from yesterday (LS reply by RM)....

Contracts have been signed for the procurement of Advanced Light Helicopter from M/s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, Medium Lift Helicopters from Rosoboronexport, Russia, and Helicopters for VVIP transportation from Augusta Westland, UK.

In addition, cases for procurement of additional Medium Lift Helicopters, Attack Helicopters, Light Utility Helicopters, Heavy Lift Helicopters and Recce and Surveillance Helicopters from various vendors are being processed. All these procurements are based on operational requirements framed by the Indian Air Force. The expenditure on the procurements will be known only after the commercial proposals are opened.

All capital acquisitions are processed as per the Defence Procurement Procedure. The Defence Procurement Procedure – 2008 envisages a timeframe of 20-34 months for finalization of such major capital procurements.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Pradeep Majhi in Lok Sabha today

Additional MLH will be more mi-17's. Attack helicopters proposal is as explained by Sancho (22 helicopters with trials in mid-2010). LUH/ recce will include the new proposal for 384 helicopters. Heavy lift helicopter should constitute chinook/ mi-26/ sea stallion options with chinook looking to take away the prize.

65 LCH are stated as requirement for air force.

Total:

Light helicopters:
utility: atleast 384
attack: atleast 179 (65 air force + 114 for army)

Medium helicopters:
utility: atleast 450+ ALH dhruvs (all services inclusive), atleast 130 mi-17's to replace mi-8's. Will also include weaponized versions.
ASW/utility should be 16 to 60.

Heavy helicopters:
attack: 22
utility/lift: 18 (could go higher eventually)

Total: ~1300 helicopters
 
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