PTI Will go to Court if PM didn't write the letter to Switzerland.

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PTI to move court over Swiss letter: Imran

From the Newspaper | Our Correspondent | 23 hours ago

MIRPURKHAS: Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaaf chairman Imran Khan said on Saturday that his party would go to court if Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf did not write a letter to Swiss authorities over the money laundering case.

About his party’s strategy for the general election, he said an alliance with the Jamaat-i-Islami could be considered, but he ruled out any understanding with the Pakistan Muslim League-N because Nawaz Sharif “is as much to blame for the existing mess as President Asif Zardari”.The PTI chief made the observations during a public meeting near Hyderabad and at a press conference in Mirpurkhas.

At Mirpurkhas, he accused President Asif Ali Zardari of having deposited $60 million in Swiss banks. He alleged that Pakistan Muslim League-N chief Nawaz Sharif was “equally corrupt and has a huge amount in foreign banks”.Imran Khan said it was amazing that a man who was an accused in a massive corruption case had been made prime minister.

He said PTI, unlike People’s Party and the Muttahida Qaumi Movement, was not a party of the status quo.He called upon Karachi police to change their attitude in order to bring a semblance of sanity back to the city. Karachi needed a campaign against illegal weapons to fight the menacing rise in street crime.He said rulers had no time to attend to Balochistan’s problems because they were “too busy saving their seats”.

FAIR POLLS: Speaking at a public gathering in Abdul Hadi Nizamani village, near Hyderabad, Imran Khan said free and fair elections were not possible as long as president Zardari was in charge.
He predicted “big things” before March, when the government would complete its five-year term.
“Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf will only protect the president’s corruption since he, too, is an accused in a corruption case involving a staggering sum of Rs400 billion,” the PTI chief observed.He claimed that he got a “good response” during tours of Sindh and Balochistan.

PTI to move court over Swiss letter: Imran | DAWN.COM

 

[Hyde]

I think it's time when the courts should take soft approach. I don't want to see another 5 Prime Ministers being sacked from the office before the next General Elections. The court should give the new prime minister about 6 months time to write a letter so when the time period is finished it's time for the General Elections already...

Fair for all parties...

 

[VCheng]

Fair or not, it would not be good for anyone if the row between the Judiciary and the Executive is escalated, by any side.

 

[Pakistanisage]

I think it's time when the courts should take soft approach. I don't want to see another 5 Prime Ministers being sacked from the office before the next General Elections. The court should give the new prime minister about 6 months time to write a letter so when the time period is finished it's time for the General Elections already...

Fair for all parties...

If it ever came to that it would be better to hold early elections to let the Pakistani Voters weigh in on this issue. Let us elect a new Parliament and put the ball in their court as it should be.

 

[Rusty]

^^ agreed, early elections is the only way to go.
The CJ needs to immediately disqualify the new PM and demand elections.

 

[SamranAli]

should go for early elections and this raja rental should be sacked for that cause.

 

[Awesome]

Fair or not, it would not be good for anyone if the row between the Judiciary and the Executive is escalated, by any side.

The judiciary has to do its work in accordance to the law. It can't decide not to punish the Raja Ashraf because PPP keeps on committing the same crime.

Its like saying one murder is bad, repeated murder is okay.

The supremacy of the law is being established here which is more important than this imagined stability among chor luteray.

We don't want chor luteray to be stable in Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

The judiciary has to do its work in accordance to the law. It can't decide not to punish the Raja Ashraf because PPP keeps on committing the same crime.

Its like saying one murder is bad, repeated murder is okay.

The supremacy of the law is being established here which is more important than this imagined stability among chor luteray.

We don't want chor luteray to be stable in Pakistan.

I understand you perfectly, but please keep in mind that the treatment must never be worse than the disease.

Given that the tenure of the present government, truly awful as it is, is coming to an end in a few short months, what the Supreme Court should be doing are two things:

Firstly, ensure that all the pieces, legal and logistic, necessary to apprehend Zardari as soon as he ceases to be President are put in place.

Secondly, ensure that the elections are held fairly. Thus, work with the Election Commission to purge and verify electoral rolls, and get all the machinery up to speed and required standards for a fair and impartial election.

When everyone sees these steps taken, all will fall into place without chaos or uncertainty which the nation can ill-afford at present.

 

[Jango]

The toad from England, aka Altaf Hussain, saying that the PPP should present a bill making dual nationality legal, and putting the argument that they form backbone of the economy. They should be having a right to be a dual national, but not to rule over us.

Point is, that the coalition partner is also then moving for a confrontation with judiciary, then why keep on blaming the SC that it keeps on taking the cases.

 

[Awesome]

I understand you perfectly, but please keep in mind that the treatment must never be worse than the disease.

Given that the tenure of the present government, truly awful as it is, is coming to an end in a few short months, what the Supreme Court should be doing are two things:

Firstly, ensure that all the pieces, legal and logistic, necessary to apprehend Zardari as soon as he ceases to be President are put in place.

Secondly, ensure that the elections are held fairly. Thus, work with the Election Commission to purge and verify electoral rolls, and get all the machinery up to speed and required standards for a fair and impartial election.

When everyone sees these steps taken, all will fall into place without chaos or uncertainty which the nation can ill-afford at present.

First of all its not worse than the disease (lack of rule of law)

But why are you thinking the SC's job is to ensure there is stability/certainty in the country? It's job is to punish criminals as per the law, as per the cases that are presented in front of it. The fundamental understanding of common sense is that the less the crime the more the stability. You're telling me its opposite and we have to buy in to the threat of criminals? Bow down to them.

I have told you many times, on American issues that if standing up to America destroys Pakistan, we still have to stand up to it where America is wrong, we can't bow to America, do the wrong thing and be happy with our allowed existence. Its doubly important when our own people are wrong we stand up to them twice as hard no matter what consequences the criminals threaten us with.

Our survival alone is not worth supporting wrong over right. We have to remain worthy of surviving.

 

[VCheng]

First of all its not worse than the disease (lack of rule of law)

It is not worse as of yet, but indeed has the potential to be so.

But why are you thinking the SC's job is to ensure there is stability/certainty in the country? It's job is to punish criminals as per the law, as per the cases that are presented in front of it. The fundamental understanding of common sense is that the less the crime the more the stability. You're telling me its opposite and we have to buy in to the threat of criminals? Bow down to them.

Ensuring stability and certainty in the country is the job of all three branches of government. You are correct that the SC is only doing its job by punishing criminals brought before it, but when the prosecutions are seen to be politically motivated or are one-sided, it causes more problems in the long term than the definitely short term gains, as past history clearly shows us.

I have told you many times, on American issues that if standing up to America destroys Pakistan, we still have to stand up to it where America is wrong, we can't bow to America, do the wrong thing and be happy with our allowed existence. Its doubly important when our own people are wrong we stand up to them twice as hard no matter what consequences the criminals threaten us with.

It is ideologically pure to say that "if standing up to America destroys Pakistan, we still have to stand up" but pragmatically speaking, you are still destroying Pakistan. I cannot agree with that.

Our survival alone is not worth supporting wrong over right. We have to remain worthy of surviving.

Okay, let me ask you this: If the consensus is that Pakistan is not worthy of surviving as a state, or getting to close to that tipping point, then what? Seen coldly, arguments are tending to line up along those lines these days with a worrying frequency.

 

[Ali.009]

Keep waiting dudes, in 6 months the game is over. No one will care about the letter as election season comes. PIT can keep waiting, thats what IK is good at, been doing since past 5 years. All 'opposition' parties are infact in bed with Zardari Regime.

 

[Awesome]

Ensuring stability and certainty in the country is the job of all three branches of government. You are correct that the SC is only doing its job by punishing criminals brought before it, but when the prosecutions are seen[ /U]to be politically motivated or are one-sided, it causes more problems in the long term than the definitely short term gains, as past history clearly shows us.

Seen? You mean like "Democracy ko khatra hai". This the sloganeering these feudal lords use over their subjects, it has no basis. The Supreme Court went to the extent of its authority - passing judgement over what is written in the constitution, it didn't go an iota beyond it.

Its not seen, but I can tell you its being made to be seen by dhindora peeting machinations that have been activated.

It is ideologically pure to say that "if standing up to America destroys Pakistan, we still have to stand up" but pragmatically speaking, you are still destroying Pakistan. I cannot agree with that.

You are destroying Pakistan by not standing up to it as well for sure. There is a good chance you will not end up destroying Pakistan by standing for the right things, even if its standing up to America.

Okay, let me ask you this: If the consensus is that Pakistan is not worthy of surviving as a state, or getting to close to that tipping point, then what? Seen coldly, arguments are tending to line up along those lines these days with a worrying frequency.

Then we keep trying to make it worthy, not keep trying to survive by compromising to do the wrong thing here n there. You are just delaying the inevitable and by doing so you are ensuring we never get worthy. You are hoping we'd do the wrong thing, but somehow use it to ensure something good happens. One of my favorite writers I read as a kid, Stephen Covey, said its impossible to do the wrong thing right by doing it more efficiently. Pakistan's problems are not how efficiently it does things - its that the things it does mostly are wrong (subservience, taking money, not implementing rule of law, indulging in corruption).

 

[VCheng]

Seen? You mean like "Democracy ko khatra hai". ...............


Then we keep trying to make it worthy, not keep trying to survive by compromising to do the wrong thing here n there. You are just delaying the inevitable and by doing so you are ensuring we never get worthy. You are hoping we'd do the wrong thing, but somehow use it to ensure something good happens. One of my favorite writers I read as a kid, Stephen Covey, said its impossible to do the wrong thing right by doing it more efficiently. Pakistan's problems are not how efficiently it does things - its that the things it does mostly are wrong (subservience, taking money, not implementing rule of law, indulging in corruption).

I could care less about this "dam(n)-o-krasey", but I do care about the State. For the other things that you mention:

subservience: Think of it this way: Trying to be assertive without any foundations is not going to be very effective, is it? Check out just how assertive Japan was in the 50s, and look at them today, economically speaking.

taking money: What is wrong with taking money, as long as it is used well and wisely? How about asking USA to build a six lane divided motorway all the way from Karachi to Kabul and linking all major cities along the way, along the west bank of the Indus, plus a double-track high capacity freight rail link, plus a state-of-the-art port cargo handling system, in exchange for facilitating their transit?

not implementing rule of law: as long as it is not selective.

indulging in corruption: Like I said, making the PM the scapegoat does nothing for reducing corruption. Get the criminal in the case, i.e. Zardari, as soon as he ceases to be President and deal with him per the law. That will be the correct way of doing it. Changing PMs or forcing an early election will not change any of that, while creating unnecessary risks.

 

[Jango]

A bill is going to be passed or an ordnance in the next few day that will give senate/cabinet authority or something to remove the CJ at will.

Another bill to completely make the immunity of president unquestionable.

In addition to the already passed ordnance that the PM orders in a fixed time were all valid.

Now who is looking for a fight and for the next 6 months rather than for the country? PPP are in process of saving their hakumat, ruining this country.

Looks like my special prayers in Makkah are not going to bear fruit soon, although they may at a later stage!