PTI government announced the construction of Kalabagh Dam.

[8 pass charlie]

divert the funds from unnecessary politically motivated projects.like building an engineering university in swat.reason just because it's the area of chief minister of kpk.the only reason.why do we need more depressed and unemployed engineers???

 

[I S I]

PTI wants to divert country's attention by opening a well known pandora box. Their bad performance is not doing good to their image I see..

I'm all for kaalabagh dam. Don't think any political party got guys to finalize it. Money is the secondary issue. First is political.

 

[FuturePAF]

Pakistan not afford to not have a dam near the kalabagh location. There is an alternative site; on the Soan river that was presented to the PPP government led WAPDA in 2010. Either way, with the looming water shortage worsening, Pakistan not afford to wait any longer and needs a dam to store water. Furthermore, approximately ever 10 years Pakistan is devastated by massive floods. The economic costs of rebuilding afterwards as well as the amount of water squandered alone should two reasons why this dam needs to be built ASAP. Even if a loan need to be taken out, after one massive flood season, the dam will cover its costs in amount of infrastructure, crops, and lives saved.

 

[Genius 17]

Total construction cost of Kalabagh Dam is estimated to be around 3 billion dollars .

 

[FuturePAF]

The PTI government's previous position was that it want national consensus
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/kalabagh-dam-pti-wants-national-consensus.296102/

The Kalabagh Dam does not have national consensus due to the bad blood build up over the past decades.
There is an alternative outlined in the "Pakistan Flood Control System"

Per Slide 53, kalabagh would not be able to stop the effects of a flood adequately

The Alternative location is on the Soan River, and the estimated cost (slide 81) is $6.3 Billion in 2008 Dollars, or approximately $7.7 Billion in 2020 Dollars (https://smartasset.com/investing/inflation-calculator#rPSw4LUMcY)
This presentation is not a pie in the sky presentation, but an actual presentation given to Wapda in 2010/2011. This was the WAPDA of the PPP government.

The Soan Dam would be able to store 38.4 MAF while Kalabagh would only be approx. 5 MAF
The Soan Dam would be able to generate 18000 MW while Kalabagh per the 2004 Article is estimated at 4000 MW

4.5 times the Electricity generation, 7 times the water storage at half the cost of the Kalabagh Dam

If this news is true about the PTI government looking into the Kalabagh Dam, I ask anyone that knows anyone that can get the "Pakistan Flood Control System" in front of the government, to do so for the sake of national unity and a better plan.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Hes quoting Times of Islamabad have we on this forum not learnt how unreliable and fake that newspaper is?

 

[Zulfiqar]

US $14 Billion!!!

Are you kidding me? We could buy a small country for that amount.

Its gotta be US $ 14 Million.

If we cough up half of the amount then we can build the reservoir portion of Basha dam.

Considering our ability to breed exponentially and increasing water scarcity building a reservoir is as important for food security.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1221171049015975936

IF this is true and not ##FakeNewj/s then this alone will be the saviour of Pakistan.

Why don't people understand.
Bhasha dam is very expensive 14 billion and no one funds it because of gilgit baltistan status as territory and not a province.
If gilgit baltistan was given a status of province china is ready to invest.
What govt and wapda is doing is the best thing. Rather then waiting for someone to come and invest, they are investing 1 to 2 billion every year. And that's how they make reservoir. And then award power generation units in 2 billion contracts to people who want to invest.
While kalabagh is only 6 billion dollars and every country in earth is ready to Invest and it can be made in years.

US $14 Billion!!!

Are you kidding me? We could buy a small country for that amount.

Its gotta be US $ 14 Million.

No bro you can't and yes diamer cost 14 billion dollars

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

US $14 Billion!!!

Are you kidding me? We could buy a small country for that amount.

Its gotta be US $ 14 Million.

What country?

 

[El Sidd]

Any confirmation or was it another weekend mukao pti bachao tactic

 

[Jungibaaz]

If wishes were horses, fools would ride. And if wishes were policies, fools might govern.

Dam projects require intl financing, and we’re already heavily using these facilities just to keep our dollar reserves afloat.

CJ’s dam fund was just a feeble attempt at collecting pennies. Right now the government is trying to cap and reduce spending, and reduce indebtedness.

It’s safe to speculate that this news is not true. The government is well aware of its current capacity

Pakistan should start a infrastructure fund and raise money through the markets. The project would be controlled by the Govt but in return investors are giving a return each year. However, the Govt must put forward some initial capital to bring confidence to international investors.

This works for countries whose sovereign debt is A-AAA rated. Their subsovereign debt or government agency debt is also then very high quality and often guaranteed by the state.

Germany for example has Kreditanstalt fuer Weideraufbau (KfW), Europe as a whole has the EIB. Both have debt rated AAA, and both raise money through bond markets. Currently the yield of their EUR debt is negative. Investors are still willing to buy. Nobody would buy our potential infrastructure bank debt.

In Pakistan, our sovereign debt is only a few notches away from being rated junk. We need dollar loans every few years to stay afloat. Our sovereign does not have much power, certainly not enough to guarantee the solvency of an infrastructure bank of the kind we are talking about.

CPEC on the other hand IMO, offers easier funding, probably lower rates (most likely), better oversight and administration (Chinese).

Your suggestion is a good one, particularly for the future. But I don’t think it’s viable or scalable right now.

 

[Rasengan]

This works for countries whose sovereign debt is A-AAA rated. Their subsovereign debt or government agency debt is also then very high quality and often guaranteed by the state.

Germany for example has Kreditanstalt fuer Weideraufbau (KfW), Europe as a whole has the EIB. Both have debt rated AAA, and both raise money through bond markets. Currently the yield of their EUR debt is negative. Investors are still willing to buy. Nobody would buy our potential infrastructure bank debt.

In Pakistan, our sovereign debt is only a few notches away from being rated junk. We need dollar loans every few years to stay afloat. Our sovereign does not have much power, certainly not enough to guarantee the solvency of an infrastructure bank of the kind we are talking about.

CPEC on the other hand IMO, offers easier funding, probably lower rates (most likely), better oversight and administration (Chinese).

Your suggestion is a good one, particularly for the future. But I don’t think it’s viable or scalable right now.

Thank you for providing a good explanation.

 

[BATMAN]

That's one positive news.... IK have my full support and prayers on this.
Honestly, this is least what I expected from IK.
Let's followup the developments!

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Why build huge dams that take years to get operational, Why not building small dams that supports regional rather than national and also it will take less time

 

[American Pakistani]

The PTI government's previous position was that it want national consensus
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/kalabagh-dam-pti-wants-national-consensus.296102/

The Kalabagh Dam does not have national consensus due to the bad blood build up over the past decades.
There is an alternative outlined in the "Pakistan Flood Control System"

Per Slide 53, kalabagh would not be able to stop the effects of a flood adequately

The Alternative location is on the Soan River, and the estimated cost (slide 81) is $6.3 Billion in 2008 Dollars, or approximately $7.7 Billion in 2020 Dollars (https://smartasset.com/investing/inflation-calculator#rPSw4LUMcY)
This presentation is not a pie in the sky presentation, but an actual presentation given to Wapda in 2010/2011. This was the WAPDA of the PPP government.

The Soan Dam would be able to store 38.4 MAF while Kalabagh would only be approx. 5 MAF
The Soan Dam would be able to generate 18000 MW while Kalabagh per the 2004 Article is estimated at 4000 MW

4.5 times the Electricity generation, 7 times the water storage at half the cost of the Kalabagh Dam

If this news is true about the PTI government looking into the Kalabagh Dam, I ask anyone that knows anyone that can get the "Pakistan Flood Control System" in front of the government, to do so for the sake of national unity and a better plan.

Agreed with you. Kalabagh has become more of an egoistic issue, while doing politics over it had become secondary now. Punjabi egoistic groups want it to be build ignoring the genuine concerns of other provinces, while Pushtun, Baloch and Sindhi egoists don't want it to be build, thanks to our politicians.

I would rather go for Soan dam. Which is currently untouched by politics and so no egoists zombies around it.

The unity of the country is more important than little feelings of these zombie egoists. And due to that forever forget about the name of Kalabagh and instead build dam like soan without giving an opportunity to anyone to do politics on it.