PTI demand resignation of PM and President

[bc040400065]

^^ Or what? You gonna cry?

Its none of your business. Its our politics and its our home. You better focus on your own politics.

 

[T-Faz]

Why doesn't he ask for the resignation of the real culprits in all this, the head of ISI, COAS and PAF chief.

The civilian gov does not not have much say in this, its entirely the Armies fault and they should be made answerable to others.

I think that Khan does not want to upset his masters and that is why the real culprits aren't mentioned.

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

You are right , Imran Khan should also include them in his list of resignations.

No, he should'nt. Because the resignation of these officers will not resolve the issue. .

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

Why doesn't he ask for the resignation of the real culprits in all this, the head of ISI, COAS and PAF chief.

The civilian gov does not not have much say in this, its entirely the Armies fault and they should be made answerable to others.

I think that Khan does not want to upset his masters and that is why the real culprits aren't mentioned.

Sir do you really thing that the coming officers will have different policies from Kiyani, Suleman and Pasha???

 

[The HBS Guy]

Its none of your business. Its our politics and its our home. You better focus on your own politics.

Talk to the mods. This is a free forum and I have a right to voice my opinion without trolling. I'm not asking for your permission.

If IK is so serious about improving the state of affairs and is not doing this just for the purpose of gaining political mileage, he should ask those who are really in charge of affairs to resign and they are the military and ISI chiefs.

But will he?

No.

Otherwise who will support his next dharna?

 

[T-Faz]

Sir do you really thing that the coming officers will have different policies from Kiyani, Suleman and Pasha???

Then what is the point in asking for the resignation of the civilian leadership?

After all the army runs the show and any new civilian leader will just act according to the wishes of the establishment.

These are just superficial tactics to gain popularity.

 

[LEGENDARY WARRIOR]

Then what is the point in asking for the resignation of the civilian leadership?

After all the army runs the show and any new civilian leader will just act according to the wishes of the establishment.

These are just superficial tactics to gain popularity.

what I meant to say is that we ask the people to resign when we have a better replacement. In the case of civilian govt it is possible but not in case of Army. .

Atleast the way I see it. .

 

[Leader]

If at all, COAS is to be blamed, he can simply point out to the Kerry luger bill. which clearly says that USA has the right to hot pursuit OML with or without Pakistan's permission.

Im sure we all know who signed on that.

 

[Leader]

so PTI is right on spot in its demands...

 

[The HBS Guy]

what I meant to say is that we ask the people to resign when we have a better replacement. In the case of civilian govt it is possible but not in case of Army. .

Atleast from my point of view. .

No.

People are asked to resign when it is evident that they've slipped up or have committed a crime.

It happens all around the world.

We just had our Telecom minister resign for the biggest scandal in our history. There were demands of the PM's resignation too.

A few months back, the CM of the state of Maharashtra had to resign in another scandal.

Shivraj Patil (our then home minister) had to resign after 26/11.

I cannot recall more incidents from other countries but I'm sure that this happens around the world.

It is clear that either the military chiefs were complicit or incompetent. In either case they should resign.

 

[The HBS Guy]

If at all, COAS is to be blamed, he can simply point out to the Kerry luger bill. which clearly says that USA has the right to hot pursuit OML with or without Pakistan's permission.

Im sure we all know who signed on that.

He can do all he wants he if all he wants to do is stick to his chair.

However, if he really wants to set an example and take responsibility for arguably the biggest embarrassment in Pakistan's history, he should resign.

In fact, he should have resigned by now.

 

[Rafael]

Why doesn't he ask for the resignation of the real culprits in all this, the head of ISI, COAS and PAF chief.

The civilian gov does not not have much say in this, its entirely the Armies fault and they should be made answerable to others.

I think that Khan does not want to upset his masters and that is why the real culprits aren't mentioned.

Talk to the mods. This is a free forum and I have a right to voice my opinion without trolling. I'm not asking for your permission.

If IK is so serious about improving the state of affairs and is not doing this just for the purpose of gaining political mileage, he should ask those who are really in charge of affairs to resign and they are the military and ISI chiefs.

But will he?

No.

Otherwise who will support his next dharna?

Hi,

For all those who are criticizing IK for not naming ISI / Army / PAF for this failure, watch what he says at 08:00.

YouTube - Insession - 7th May 2011 - Imran Khan -1

 

[The HBS Guy]

Hi,

For all those who are criticizing IK for not naming ISI / Army / PAF for this failure, watch what he says at 08:00.

YouTube - Insession - 7th May 2011 - Imran Khan -1

Listen, I understand what he says but think about it, is Pakistan the perfect or even partially perfect democracy that he is talking about?

In full fledged democracies, yes, it does happen. People there do ask only for the head of the state to resign. The other guys like ministers, army chiefs etc., simply follow up.

In mature democracies, like those which hold the constitution supremely important, what IK says does happen.

However, in those democracies, the military does not have such a firm grip on the internal and external affairs of the country as it does in Pakistan.

You'd be lying to yourself if you really believe that Pakistani democracy is anywhere close to that.

That's why it is only logical to seek resignation of those who are ACTUALLY and NOT SYMBOLICALLY in power.

...and those are the military leaders in Pakistan.

 

[President Camacho]

what I meant to say is that we ask the people to resign when we have a better replacement.

No one comes with a character certificate stuck on his face, and no genuine person would compete for such power and prestige.

Only solution: Throw out those who are directly responsible for this fiasco. When the newcomers behave same way, force them out too. Just keep doing it, and it won't be long before even the bad ones start to behave good and responsible. This is the only way to keep a check. Otherwise even those who are good won't mind getting bad in serving such citizens who couldn't care less!

Learn to realize the power you as people hold, or they will keep taking you for a ride as they did in the past.

 

[Rafael]

Why doesn't he ask for the resignation of the real culprits in all this, the head of ISI, COAS and PAF chief.

The civilian gov does not not have much say in this, its entirely the Armies fault and they should be made answerable to others.

I think that Khan does not want to upset his masters and that is why the real culprits aren't mentioned.

Listen, I understand what he says but think about it, is Pakistan the perfect or even partially perfect democracy that he is talking about?

In full fledged democracies, yes, it does happen. People there do ask only for the head of the state to resign. The other guys like ministers, army chiefs etc., simply follow up.

In mature democracies, like those which hold the constitution supremely important, what IK says does happen.

However, in those democracies, the military does not have such a firm grip on the internal and external affairs of the country as it does in Pakistan.

You'd be lying to yourself if you really believe that Pakistani democracy is anywhere close to that.

That's why it is only logical to seek resignation of those who are ACTUALLY and NOT SYMBOLICALLY in power.

...and those are the military leaders in Pakistan.

Hi,

while I understand what you are trying to say, but look at it this way - Has the civil govt. blamed Army / ISI/ PAF for this incident? Did they ask for their resignations, Has the prime minister taken the public into confidence and said that he'll sack those who are inquired to be responsible? The answer is No!

I would have believed it had the Govt sacked / asked for resignation of COAS, DG ISI or AF Cheif and they refused to do so. Both civil and military leadership share the responsibility and this being a democratic govt. (which they brag about too often) and president being the supreme commander of military has to take the blame and either resign or take COAS to task.