PTI becomes the only party to be represented across all Pakistan after final seat allocations by ECP

[Indus Pakistan]

Bro how do we convey this to PTI leadership? They are sending experts to China and elsewhere to fix Pakistans economy. When will they send people to Scandinavia to learn some governance?

Incorrect. The Scandanavian situation is too distant and differant to be of any use to Pakistan. To begin with Scandavia is very homogenous compared to Pakistan with a tiny population. Norway is akin to Potohar for instance. Further provinces pre-date Pakistan. They are the bricks that made Pakistan. Also provinces in Pakistan are crudely based around one dominant ethnic group. Try dividing K-Pk and you will have war on your hands. Ditto for Sindh. We can chop Punjab by using the rationale of size and it's domination of the federation. If it is chopped down then the provinces would all be closer to the median size. Rather then one towering above others.

@war&peace

 

[Verve]

There is no need for midterm elections unless there is a severe crisis of government which is highly unlikely

Will he then announce that he is actually from another galaxy who came to planet earth as part of a galactic takeover or something.. Oh the fantasies!

Wait and see.

If this opposition and coalition parties create a lot of hurdles in passing laws and with the SC approving Overseas Pakistanis voting, mid-term will be a natural choice for IK.

 

[dawn_news]

Something else that comes across clearly from this table. Pakistan's love to talk "Muslim", sleep "Muslim", eat "Muslim" and dream "Muslim" but the reality is anything but "Muslim". Forget about being part of one global ummah uniting 50 countries, dozens of ethnc groups and multitiude of languages from Morroco near Europe to Indonesia near Japan.

The reality is most Pakistan vote in clusters mostly around ethnic groups. Only PTI has managed to break that mould and even then it has a strong cluster. Take Karachi. Many people left India because they were minority Muslim in majority India. After having moved they find themselves in Karachi as a Muslims in Muslim majority Sindh. However they still are not happy and now vote along strictly ethnic lines thus exposing by fact the fallacy of the idea of Muslim majority offering them succour. From being a Muslim minority now they have begun to act as a ethnic minority. This pattern is also visible in other parts of the country.

No. Just Punjab needs breaking up. At nearly 50% of the federation it simply is too large. If it is divided into two or three a balance will be achieved. Very rarely in any country do all federating units equal the same size. Look at India or USA. However one dominating the federation is major source of problems.

Disagree, PPP won seats in all provinces 2008 election. N won seats in all provinces 2013. Though only PTI won enough seats to form government in 2 provinces at a time.

 

[Tps43]

Disagree, PPP won seats in all provinces 2008 election. N won seats in all provinces 2013. Though only PTI won enough seats to form government in 2 provinces at a time.

3 provinces at a time u are forgetting balochistan which will have pti ministers

 

[dawn_news]

Incorrect. The Scandanavian situation is too distant and differant to be of any use to Pakistan. To begin with Scandavia is very homogenous compared to Pakistan with a tiny population. Norway is akin to Potohar for instance. Further provinces pre-date Pakistan. They are the bricks that made Pakistan. Also provinces in Pakistan are crudely based around one dominant ethnic group. Try dividing K-Pk and you will have war on your hands. Ditto for Sindh. We can chop Punjab by using the rationale of size and it's domination of the federation. If it is chopped down then the provinces would all be closer to the median size. Rather then one towering above others.

@war&peace

Baloch don't care if Balochistan is divided along ethnic lines. KP too passed resolution to create Hazara province. Only Sindh have problem with division of province.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Disagree, PPP won seats in all provinces 2008 election. N won seats in all provinces 2013. Though only PTI won enough seats to form government in 2 provinces at a time.

Did I say otherwise? You can't deny that the following holds true -

PTI is centred around K-Pk in the Pakhtun belt.
PML-N is centred around Lahore or the northern Punjabi belt.
PPP is centred around interior Sindh in the Sindhi belt.
MQM is centred on the Mohajir from India in Karachi/urban Sindh.

These are clear patterns notwithstanding some fudge on the extremities.

 

[dawn_news]

3 provinces at a time u are forgetting balochistan which will have pti ministers

Minority coalition gov, CM will be from BAP. Now that I remember, N also was in Balochistan gov. Though Balochistan N didn't like the fact that Nawaz Sharif decided to give minority coalition partner post of CM and other issues, that's why BAP was born. Nawaz treatment of their Balochistan party members and giving favours to Achakzai and Bizinjo made BAP.

 

[Mentee]

Baloch don't care if Balochistan is divided along ethnic lines. KP too passed resolution to create Hazara province. Only Sindh have problem with division of province.

Sindhi feudals are in no mood to accept the division of punjab on ethnic lines - - -

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Only Sindh have problem with division of province.

Because he who plays hosts to migration should not be rewarded by dividing the host's home. It would be like British-Pakistani's now demanding that chunks of Midlands are carved out of England because they have Pakistani majority areas.

 

[MBT 3000]

I have previously suggested abandoning the provinces all together and adopting a Scandinavian style structure: Strong central and local governments like communes. Provinces are not needed in modern day when information can be disseminated rapidly and securely. Provinces were need to create aggregates so the Calpih/King/Prime Minister could communicate with a a few governors or CM as it used to take a long time to send and receive orders...but today we have IT and secure networks...We don't need horses and pigeons or telegrams over wires. The most successful region is Scandinavia and it is doing great without provinces... Pakistan is geographically has the similar land area as whole of Scandinavia (Sweden, Denmark, Norway) though much higher population but this distribution was mostly done on area bases for communication and control.

Pakistan is a federation while scandinavian countries arent and they have a smaller polulation

 

[Ishq Dewana]

TLP got a woman’s seat. Let’s see what the Western media says about that.

 

[Tps43]

Minority coalition gov, CM will be from BAP. Now that I remember, N also was in Balochistan gov. Though Balochistan N didn't like the fact that Nawaz Sharif decided to give minority coalition partner post of CM and other issues, that's why BAP was born. Nawaz treatment of their Balochistan party members and giving favours to Achakzai and Bizinjo made BAP.

Same like N league in balochistan they had there CM just for 2 years for the rest of time they were in collation.

 

[dawn_news]

Did I say otherwise? You can't deny that the following holds true -

PTI is centred around K-Pk in the Pakhtun belt.
PML-N is centred around Lahore or the northern Punjabi belt.
PPP is centred around interior Sindh in the Sindhi belt.
MQM is centred on the Mohajir from India in Karachi/urban Sindh.

These are clear patterns notwithstanding some fudge on the extremities.

PTI formed in 1996 yet didn't win single seat in KP till 2013. And even PTI rise was thanks to N and PPP alliance which left Pakistan with no opposition, especially in punjab and hence why Lahore 2011 jalsa was so huge.

I don't think PML-N is as strong, they will be rooted out in 2023. But then it will be interesting to see who take their place as I don't see PPP coming back in punjab. Maybe it will be muslim league but minus Nawaz and more democratic instead of single family rule. Or completely new party.

Majority of N-league MNA/MPA outside their extended family are not loyal to party at all.

Same like N league in balochistan they had there CM just for 2 years for the rest of time they were in collation.

No, N had majority in parliament. Nawaz just decided to make CM from nationalist party which pissed off Balochistan N members. PTI is just small coalition partner in comparison.

 

[Tps43]

PTI is just small coalition partner in comparison.

but its in gov which matters

 

[Indus Pakistan]

PTI formed in 1996

So. MQM formed in 1980s. WE are in 2018. Parties are devastatingly centred around ethnic groups. You can split and dice this way you want but that is fact.