Protests being held to get justice, not to come into power: Imran

[Fracker]

I aint his fan nor have I ever gone to any of his jalsas or anything...I just think we should give a chance to another person to screw us!

A prof at Leeds uni told us the definition of insanity is doing the same "failed" thing repeatedly! Well as per this definition Pakistani nation has reached Insanity level and at such a level it would be ok to choose a different person!

Choosing different how? Only imran khan is probably new whose beliefs i already started to hate, especially his personal better then the world belief. Rest whole PTI is same old story..

And that on the road is not choosing but enforcing. There is difference between allowing the system, and choose something else. Or follow the distruction of the system and enforcing the false massiah on those who dont even want him i,e, majorrity.

 

[Bratva]

1stly, Justice is not Justice in Pakistan.....To get Justice you either have to bribe or kiss some high throne ***! I aint even joking! We have examples of Ex CJ, court order for IK within hours vs court order for Lahore killings (still pending), Gullu Butt given free hand, getting caught, let go and then sent to jail....It is a real joke to talk about Justice......Please do explain who will DARE to give justice AGAINST PMLN or MQM? Either the witness will vanish, the proof will be lost (happened many times before) or some stupid remark will be made and swept under the carpet (eg. Gilani, Zardari)....There is no form of justice for the elite (give me 1 example) or politicians....Either they die (AMEEN) or someone shoots em (Ameen again)

2ndly Mob power if you wanna call it that can also be called People's power depending on which side of the coin you are!

As for other choice mantra.....We really do have many waiting to juice Pakistan....Shameless and def against our own constitution which says:

Article 62 lists a number of qualifications for membership of the National Assembly, including "good character and is not commonly known as one who violates Islamic Injunctions," "adequate knowledge of Islamic teachings and practices obligatory duties prescribed by Islam as well as abstains from major sins", "sagacious, righteous and non-profligate, honest and ameen." The constitution also details a number of disqualifications in Article 63, which include mental instability, insolvency, criminal conviction and accepting dual-citizenship or relinquishing their Pakistani nationality, among others.


People's power or mob pwoer are only unholding article 62 to get rid off one who cant even want something for another what he wants for himself (OBLIGATORY DUTY PRESCRIBED BY ISLAM)....

Give 1 good deed he did which benefited the nation WITHOUT BENEFITING HIMSELF in return?!

IK has 2 the hospital and the uni he built...things the country needs!

IF this is why mob power grew than let there be power to the people as it was their votes that were rigged and they have full rights to ask for an answer! After all it is supposed to be PARLIAMENT = democracy = people's choice!

You are not acquainted with recent developments are you? Despite all this incidents you mentioned and putting rhetoric aside, PTI is actually following Judicial path. It has numerous petitions and cases pending against Election commision and PM Nawaz sharif in Supreme court which are about to be get heard or are sub judice.

You can't ride two boats at same time, either you bring mob power or either you wait for the judicial process, hence my original post which said IK should stop being hypocrite and state his intentions once and for all, if he wants a mob power justice or wants to a justice through supreme courts

The criteria of running a country is not building 2 uni and hospital. Go read about corruption in his own party, the internal reports, the irregularities in intra party election. IF IK were to be elected, the team he had brought with himself were already tainted. Instead of throwing stones at other houses, He should put his house in order first, A man who can't run his party effectively, how could he run a country effectively?

Have you verified and authenticated each person votes in IK jalsa that you know there votes were rigged and they have a right to ask for an answer ?

 

[Echo_419]

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan on Friday rubbished rumours that his stage-ins were being held to bring martial law into the country.

“My lifelong struggle cannot be reduced to bringing martial law in the country. My struggle is only to bring true democracy in the country,” said Imran.

Addressing a press conference in Islamabad, he said his party had been protesting in the federal capital for the past 106 days to hold those responsible for rigging elections, not to replace Nawaz Sharif as the prime minister of Pakistan.

Imran said electoral reforms won’t do any good until those who rigged the 2013 polls are brought to the book.

“… If we want to move ahead and correct the country’s electoral process, we will have to hold those who rigged the polls, accountable,” he said.

The PTI chief said the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) got 6.8 million votes in the 2008 elections when the All Parties Democratic Alliance did not take part in the polls, but this number doubled in 2013, taking the vote count to 15 million.

“This was because the polls were rigged on a large scale,” he said.

Imran said if justice isn’t served in this regard, the next elections won’t be a popularity contest between parties but a competition of who is better at rigging.

The PTI chief went on to point out that numerous target killings had taken place in Karachi but no one had been arrested for the crime.

“15,000 people have been target killed in Karachi. There are strong anti-terror laws but still the killing spree continues as target killers haven’t been arrested,” said Imran.

The PTI chairman argued that he came out on the streets as no institution was willing to provide justice, adding that he will reply to Pervaiz Rashid’s allegations during tonight’s sit-in address at D-Chowk.

He added that the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) rigged the 2013 polls in Sindh just like the PML-N did in Punjab, pointing out how PPP bagged more votes after “destroying Sindh in five years” than it did after the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.

Extra ballot papers printed

The PTI chairman alleged that over 5 million extra ballot papers were printed from three printing presses in Pakistan, whereas data from two others was not available yet.

“These [extra] votes were added to their candidates’ vote count,” said Imran, adding that 124,000 extra ballot papers were printed in PML-N leader Saad Rafique’s constituency.
Protests being held to get justice, not to come into power: Imran – The Express Tribune

IK is lying as usual. Only government ministers are saints and therefore speaking the absolute truth!

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Yeah & getting justice through mobs has always worked Mr Khan

 

[Dubious]

Choosing different how? Only imran khan is probably new whose beliefs i already started to hate, especially his personal better then the world belief. Rest whole PTI is same old story..

Well that is your opinion you could be wrong? Coz alot of people KNOWING FULLY WELL the capabilities of PMLN and PPP still vote for them coz they are afraid of something new and dont wanna give the new a chance but wanna rot with the tried and failed old!

And that on the road is not choosing but enforcing. There is difference between allowing the system, and choose something else. Or follow the distruction of the system and enforcing the false massiah on those who dont even want him i,e, majorrity.

60 yrs of allowance hasnt gotten us a better system!

Destroying it to make a new system would be better, dont you think? If something is old and gives the same error it should be changed for something new...if it gives the same errors at least you know you tried changing the thing and didnt try to troubleshoot the same broken thing over and over and over and got the same error ALWAYS!

 

[Dubious]

You are not acquainted with recent developments are you? Despite all this incidents you mentioned and putting rhetoric aside, PTI is actually following Judicial path. It has numerous petitions and cases pending against Election commision and PM Nawaz sharif in Supreme court which are about to be get heard or are sub judice.

Most likely slide under the carpet...the path was inevitable to show those crying that justice is for the courts to serve!

You can't ride two boats at same time, either you bring mob power or either you wait for the judicial process, hence my original post which said IK should stop being hypocrite and state his intentions once and for all, if he wants a mob power justice or wants to a justice through supreme courts

You can do both....Just because it never happened doesnt mean it is wrong!

I think finding a way also known as trying is better than giving excuses!

The criteria of running a country is not building 2 uni and hospital.

That was an example of being able to yield something for the population over one's self....Maybe its a new concept...guess what we need it!

Go read about corruption in his own party, the internal reports, the irregularities in intra party election.

I am aware...Esp if you have the same lotay from other parties your party isnt going to go far!

But do you know the truth about PAKISTANI MENTALITY? They will not give you an ear UNTIL AND UNLESS you are surrounded by some KNOWN politician from their grandpa's time or a feudal lord who will give orders to like his new colleague!

IF IK were to be elected, the team he had brought with himself were already tainted. Instead of throwing stones at other houses, He should put his house in order first, A man who can't run his party effectively, how could he run a country effectively?

Tell me in ALL HONESTLY who would have given 2 hoots to IK if he had come with a new set of people (not a single lota to get the brainwashed backers)?? Or who would have given him the clearance he gets due to his stupid contacts?

Unfortunately the sad reality of Pakistani politics is you cant go far without WASTA (Arabic wasta)

Have you verified and authenticated each person votes in IK jalsa that you know there votes were rigged and they have a right to ask for an answer ?

you can go an authenticate...The very reason no party voices out is coz they know they have done rigging if they voice against IK their's will be checked to make it even!

 

[Tameem]

Its just today............................Container declared Poeple's PM House..

 

[Icewolf]

I fear Imran Khan will do politics over bodies... So this dharna won't end till army rule is brought in

 

[Old Navigator]

No, his time is up. He is going to wrap this mess up.
Its now established that even blood is not going to change the govt. (Ex. TUQ).Had there been a slight chance, TUQ, an opportunist would never have run away.
in either way PTI, is going to be the Biggest Loser, and definitely will loss 2018-19 election.

 

[Jazzbot]

Pray tell us Mr.Khan, how do you want to get justice? Through judiciary or through mob power ? This is one gem of a dimwit statement from him. At Least don't be hypocritical about your intentions.

And I've been repeatedly asking this question, What if dharna fails once again . What would he do then ?

What do you want Mr. Khan to do? Keep mum and sit in his home doing nothing? This might be one gem of a dimwit statement from him, but his demand of election audit is genuine. He has tried all election tribunals, ECP, SC, NA etc, but nothing happened. What do you think is the last resort for him?

If this dharna will fail, then there will be next dharna. If that will fail, then there will be next. We can't just sit quietly when our future is being robbed. Decide, at which side you're.

 

[Bratva]

What do you want Mr. Khan to do? Keep mum and sit in his home doing nothing? This might be one gem of a dimwit statement from him, but his demand of election audit is genuine. He has tried all election tribunals, ECP, SC, NA etc, but nothing happened. What do you think is the last resort for him?

If this dharna will fail, then there will be next dharna. If that will fail, then there will be next. We can't just sit quietly when our future is being robbed. Decide, at which side you're.

Who says nothing happened ? There are multiple cases sub judice in courts as we speak. Supreme court has fixed 8 december to hear PTI petition to disqualify PM. Election tribunal called IK on 6 december for NA-122 case. Either he take back all the cases and go full on mob power demonstration or either he waits until the judgement of those cases comes out

Is election audit the only genuine demand PTI has? What about disorganized party elements which were cause of fail election besides His NA-1 Peshawar and his own Mianwali Na-71 (72) seat ? When IK would act upon the internal report and organize his party elements

What about irregularities in intra party election and the internal reforms in party ? Isn't IK little bit interested in grooming clean and smart leaders who would take his seat after he retires or planning to make a genuine homegrown PTI team ?

Instead of wasting crores of rupees in dharna and jalsa, What would have happened if these party funds and resources were put into strengthening Party ITSELF ? It takes years to restructure and maintain a strong party.

Isn't IK khan smart enough to manage all these elements at once instead of focusing all his feelings, emotions and resources to useless demand of dethroning Nawaz sharif? Hows that went eh ?

This is the most criminally negligible act that waste all resources on Jalsa and dharnas and completely forgets the needs of restructuring and providing insaaf in his own party.

 

[he-man]

I aint his fan nor have I ever gone to any of his jalsas or anything...I just think we should give a chance to another person to screw us!

A prof at Leeds uni told us the definition of insanity is doing the same "failed" thing repeatedly! Well as per this definition Pakistani nation has reached Insanity level and at such a level it would be ok to choose a different person!

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[SBD-3]

He will get justice pretty soon with the power of Population of Pakistan

He believes more in the power of umpire than the power of people....leaving only about 50 odd in his dharna.

 

[BetterPakistan]

He believes more in the power of umpire than the power of people....leaving only about 50 odd in his dharna.

If you got eyes then see news channels it's 30 november see and you forgot to add lots of zero after 50. The umpire is ALLAH and always ALLAH. got it you patwari?

 

[Fracker]

Well that is your opinion you could be wrong? Coz alot of people KNOWING FULLY WELL the capabilities of PMLN and PPP still vote for them coz they are afraid of something new and dont wanna give the new a chance but wanna rot with the tried and failed old!

So why complain, it's people choice you can't enforce on people. They will give up selecting or else they will more suffer, this is what system is all about.

60 yrs of allowance hasnt gotten us a better system!

Which system was allowed for 60 years? first there was bureaucracy power struggle, then Marshall law, then separation, then democrazy, then again Marshall law, then noora kushti of two parties, then again marshal law, and now democrazy first time smooth handover. Now, Inqalliabi Power Struggle, which 60 years you last time allow the system to continue?

Destroying it to make a new system would be better, dont you think? If something is old and gives the same error it should be changed for something new...if it gives the same errors at least you know you tried changing the thing and didnt try to troubleshoot the same broken thing over and over and over and got the same error ALWAYS!

No i don't think so, if we destroy now, we are gone forever. Without a leadership, just chance gonna bring us to in the row of Egypt, Lybia, Labnon, Iraq, and we do all oil to run the shows like our examples.

Power Struggle will bring us more down...

 

[Dubious]

So why complain, it's people choice you can't enforce on people. They will give up selecting or else they will more suffer, this is what system is all about.



Which system was allowed for 60 years? first there was bureaucracy power struggle, then Marshall law, then separation, then democrazy, then again Marshall law, then noora kushti of two parties, then again marshal law, and now democrazy first time smooth handover. Now, Inqalliabi Power Struggle, which 60 years you last time allow the system to continue?



No i don't think so, if we destroy now, we are gone forever. Without a leadership, just chance gonna bring us to in the row of Egypt, Lybia, Labnon, Iraq, and we do all oil to run the shows like our examples.

Power Struggle will bring us more down...

I will get back to you in a few mins right now I keep getting 10 notifications for every post I make in 2 other threads....