Promoting anti-science via textbooks - by PERVEZ HOODBHOY

[Salik]

Best one to answere this would be a cat but what they eat (usuaaly fungus) has natural substances against bacteria...like antibiotics ... like penicillin...how do they know it...ONLY GOD KNOWS

Having thought about it.... we the bastions of darwins evilution only found penicillin 150 years ago...

And primitive cats know about it since eternity

Please don't do that. You asked for an example and i gave you right example. Now you'll keep asking questions?

Who do you think gave humans the knowledge of Ayurvedic and Unani medicines, angels? scriptures? No. It isn't their job.

Our relation with herbs is ages old and discoveries have been happening time to time. Discovery of Penicillin itself validates this process.

 

[Mrc]

Please don't do that. You asked for an example and i gave you right example. Now you'll keep asking questions?

Who do you think gave humans the knowledge of Ayurvedic and Unani medicines, angels? scriptures? No. It isn't their job.

Our relation with herbs is ages old and discoveries have been happening time to time. Discovery of Penicillin itself validates this process.

How is all that relevant to monkeys becoming humans??

 

[Salik]

How is all that relevant to monkeys becoming humans??

I tell you main problem is not that human and monkeys have common ancestors. But that how did life begin, non-living became living and started flying in air, swimming in water, living in jungles and making high buildings.

Every living being is adapted and evolved excellently in its circle of activity.

We underestimate monkeys but their immune system and certain senses are excellent. They've strong communication and hierarchy.

Humans too have limitations but they've excelled in other aspects as well.

So once we solve this puzzle we'll find that we are part of this chain. It is already showing because we are LIVING BEINGS.

 

[Awan68]

thread is about silly stuff in Pakistani text books not Islamic text books .. so no need to ban

mixing religion in education & state affairs and than we get surprised by the end product zombies

Pakistan was made on the basis of religion and unlike other religions islam directs its adherentd to follow a codified law given by Allah and his prophet(pbuh), the state of medina was found on the principles and laws given in the quran, muslims ran thier govts for over a thousand years according to sharia code of law, so plz spare us ur half assed sermons of how religion is something detrimental for the state, the concept u misguided brain cell less baboons fail to grasp is that separation of relgion from state was a western requirement cause christianity was more of a sadist cult rather than a relgion which promoted the wrost kind of human degradation and illetracy , this doesnt apply here cause islam is the ultimate code of life...

 

[XenoEnsi-14]

While I can give the example of Evolution in Islam... Adam's hight was far higher than today's man... Same was with their other body features.. Evolution happened and now we are in this form..

Ibn Khaldun disagrees, even he said humans evolved from the apes. I seriously have no sympathy for people who believe in myths. Islam had it's chance and now it's gone. That's why we call it the Darwinian theory of Evolution, not the Khaldunian Theory.

Great minds think alike, and the truth can never be hidden.

 

[Techy Hassan]

Pervez Hoodbhoy always makes me feel like beating my head against wall.
What an utter ignorance he has in his mind.



If he likes to speak like this I think he should shun all his activities and join the team of scientists who are researching atom because without fully understanding what is inside this particle and what are its origins there is no use of making any claims.

Burden of proof is equally on the scientists who claim it is not by God.
Hood bhoy! Please prove first it’s all not by God only then speak.



If you ask me, science is totally stuck everywhere. What inside atom to the most basic particles or fields there is no definite answers and whole libraries of theories? What is there above in the farthest space? It’s just pictures- photo shopped - and again whole libraries of theories. Diseases? Science is stuck again the patients are spending Billions and still cannot recover fully.

The only field that science seems to be successful is electronics and that also is mentioned in the Holy Book with the name of ‘Barq’ برق and if some person in the west had not discovered it someone in the East would have discovered it surely. So bragging about it is also not a very impressive thing to do.

 

[I.R.A]

Sir you better fasten your seat belts. We are discussing biology and anatomy. It would be academic dishonesty if we don't convey the knowledge with brevity.

I agree, but how about let us keep going till we dig to the end and find the exact answer to all this, why stop midway or just at Humans evolved from Apes ..................... where did apes come from.......... where did that creature that evolved into apes come from? END???????

A big bang is responsible for all this .............. okay who made that big bang.............. how many big bangs....... what if there is another big bang....................... and so on? END??????

In end we may be standing looking into mirror blaming ourselves "Oh the answers were right there in my reach in my own home but I never tried myself reading them". If people were that smart they would have accepted the challenge "Bring one like this", I think nobody has ever been able to accomplish that task.

If you get a chance ....... do watch movies like "Absolutely Anything" .............. "Prometheus" ......... "Transformers" you would get an idea they too need "Some Super being" to justify that things are not happening on their own.

And let me tell you one thing sorts of Hoodh boy would be ones to shoot you down if you bring ideas that don't conform with their agenda. Little insecure souls they are.

Salik my friend I have stopped worrying about being Muslim and Islam, I know humans would never be able to invent anything that could destroy the truth. So yes lets convey the knowledge with brevity.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Pervez Hoodbhoy is a very confused man. He was the one who advocated Pakistan giving up its nuclear weapon despite having a clear and present threat from across border. He is a liberal retard.

Does Islam in any way support theory of evolution? It does not.

Religion cant be separated from life and curriculum. Religion is part of life. You are in it to believe in it. Or else just walk away from it. Calling yourself a Muslim but not practicing is not a sign being liberal, its a sign of being hypocrite.

Darwin theory was just that - a theory. For a liberal retard like Hoodbhoy, its religion. Any thing coming coming from West is pontificated and anointed by these retards in the name being progressive thinking and way of life.

By the way, the first human being descended on this earth was Adam. He was a human very much like us. Not an ape or monkey but a real human being. So there goes the theory of evolution as propagated by this confused liberal.

You said it right "Liberal Retard." Just imagine if we didn't have nuclear weapons, what would India under a fascist regime, like now, would have done.

He is one of those, who like to stay in the lime light, and blow their own trumpet. They make silly comments, and people without thinking about the consequences lap it up!

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well the reality of the matter is

a) Our science books need to be burned and replaced with proper science books from 2016 ideally not written in Pakistan
b) Math books should really be more in line with latest theories


Religion should be a none credit course taken as general knowledge , with option of further studies at own time (private tuition after school) if parents have lot of cash to spare


On theory of Evolution:
While it is a wonderful theory however it does not explains few things

a) Just how long it takes for deviation in a particular animal to go from Ape to become a Human
Why is it elephants have trunks and we have tiny noses. We live in same environment and
temperature and geographical impacts

b) If all humans are same why there are 4 different distinct type of Human skulls.

c) Why out of 100 of mammals we happen to think and observe and theorize stuff?

There are also other controversial theories
a) Intelligent creation by extra terrestrials (DNA munipulation with animals)
b) Animal sanctuary theory , that the earth is a giant inter gallactic sancturary with artifically created perfect case scenarios (Tides, plate tectonic, gas levels)


However with that stated :

• One cannot argue that the world and universe we live is almost too perfect to be a mere coincidence and Darwinion Thoery has not ever fully explained the existance of animals on planet (Plants and Sea creatures ? ) Why are plants there with Sea creatures

But Science really needs new better books and course work / assignments and more importantly better trained and educated teachers

 

[Indus Falcon]

Hoodybhoy has been working on an agenda, did anyone notice that? Not surprisingly he had beef with Dr.Atta-ur-Rehman as well.

He was a very vocal opponent of Dr.Atta, with nothing substantial to back up his claims. Just kept barking incessantly.

Well the reality of the matter is

a) Our science books need to be burned and replaced with proper science books from 2016 ideally not written in Pakistan
b) Math books should really be more in line with latest theories


Religion should be a none credit course taken as general knowledge , with option of further studies at own time (private tuition after school) if parents have lot of cash to spare

You are right on the first two points, but on the third, I don't agree with you.

Religion should be taught, but a moderate enlightened one, that clearly differentiates between extremism / fanaticism, and moderation. Don't cancel it out totally and leave a vacuum. When you leave vacuum that's when you create issues. That vacuum might get filled with something even more dangerous. So best to teach it in a controlled, manged manner, and DE-radicalize our society.

I'm glad you told me this, I was wondering in 1000, 2000 years will men turn into mice (which some women have already managed to do intrinsically), or will mice turn into men?

Men turning into mice is a separate issue. One on which a book could be written, but the bottom line is, when man becomes subservient to his carnal desires, then he falls to the lowest of the low.

 

[Khafee]

Whats the point of his being/not being an Agha Khani? Why should it matter. It is everyones Pakistan, not just sunni wahabi mullahs. I am not Agha Khani but the reasons for the state of Pakistani society is that everyone calls every other stone his own and sits on it. He does not try to build bridges but is locked in the superiority of his own culture/sect. When a person presents an alternative version of events the response rather than to constructively present your own version of events is to attack the persons sect or whichever group he belongs to. This is a canard because a person should not be judged by his sect/ethnicity but by his intellect.

Calm down and stop talking crap.I simply answered a question posted by a member, did I say anything against any sect? If so quote me.

Btw, you are as bad as the mullahs, for the mullahs anyone who does not agree with them is a Kafir, for you anyone who does not agree with your POV is a sunni whahabi mulla etc. Both of you extremists, are fanatics and a bane to society. Time for you take a long hard look in the mirror.

 

[maximuswarrior]

Ibn Khaldun disagrees, even he said humans evolved from the apes. I seriously have no sympathy for people who believe in myths. Islam had it's chance and now it's gone. That's why we call it the Darwinian theory of Evolution, not the Khaldunian Theory.

Great minds think alike, and the truth can never be hidden.

You are living on a different planet. Islam is the strongest growing religion on earth.

We don't know whether humans evolved from monkeys. It is just a theory. My guess is as good as Darwin's. Scientology says that humans were dropped on earth by aliens. Another theory.

He was a very vocal opponent of Dr.Atta, with nothing substantial to back up his claims. Just kept barking incessantly.



You are right on the first two points, but on the third, I don't agree with you.

Religion should be taught, but a moderate enlightened one, that clearly differentiates between extremism / fanaticism, and moderation. Don't cancel it out totally and leave a vacuum. When you leave vacuum that's when you create issues. That vacuum might get filled with something even more dangerous. So best to teach it in a controlled, manged manner, and DE-radicalize our society.


Men turning into mice is a separate issue. One on which a book could be written, but the bottom line is, when man becomes subservient to his carnal desires, then he falls to the lowest of the low.

Hoodbhoy has no credibility. This man is only good in creating personal vendettas and scolding people who don't agree with his views. No wonder this man isn't taken seriously.

Pakistan needs to promote science and other subjects on the most highest level. Religion should also be taught. The meaning of Islam is peace. There exists no fanatical or extremist Islam. Humans radicalize everything from politics to religion for their personal gains. Prophets have no earthly desires. They preach the word of God in its most purest form.

 

[Salik]

My first post that contained d!ck measuring theory related to evolution in the first para is got deleted. But the second para was ok. It is already quoted so you can read. Better if it was edited.

Mods please bring it back with edition. Thanks.

@User see brevity doesn't work here. It isn't a science forum.

On Topic: We have two wheel, four wheel vehicles. So we have two legged and four legged living beings. But there isn't three legged creature like there's three wheeler rikshaw. Now WHO INVENTED RIKSHAW!!!

@AZADPAKISTAN2009 my grandmother used to tell that a woman wiped her nose with a piece of bread (roti) and threw it away. The distance the piece covered her nose became long and she transformed into an elephant, as a punishment.

Don't know if this story was told to teach manners or it was really true.

 

[I.R.A]

On Topic: We have two wheel, four wheel vehicles. So we have two legged and four legged living beings. But there isn't three legged creature like there's three wheeler rikshaw. Now WHO INVENTED RIKSHAW!!!

Obviously it (rickshaw) was invented by someone who loves torturing others and laughs at their misery. See there is a difference between who created and who invented.

What would happen if Sun comes near Moon and Earth?

 

[Khafee]

Ibn Khaldun disagrees, even he said humans evolved from the apes. I seriously have no sympathy for people who believe in myths. Islam had it's chance and now it's gone. That's why we call it the Darwinian theory of Evolution, not the Khaldunian Theory.

Great minds think alike, and the truth can never be hidden.

Please provide a link to Ibn Khaldun's statement, to back up your claim.

Thank You