Featured Project Azm: Pakistan's Ambitious Quest to Develop 5th Generation Military Technologies.

[Deino]

I actually believe (from my limited knowledge of aerodynamics) that the J-10 is superior aerodynamically to the J-31. I say this because of some variables like:

1. Superior wing loading
2. Delta canard design

Care to explain since when a delta canard design is per se an aerodynamically superior design? Neither the F-22, the Su-57 or Su-27-series are delta canards and aerodynamically quite superior design to many other types including delta canard designs?

 

[Ultima Thule]

AZM will be as indigenous as JF17 is ........ Except for some change in %age

It will have more indigenous contents than JF-17, Design will be ours, avionics and AESA could be JV either with Turkey or China, Engine will definitely foreign (Chinese)

 

[Avicenna]

One again ... the WS-10 and even more the WS-15 are out of reach for Pakistan, so forget this in the same way there won't ever be a J-15 or J-16 in PAF-colours or even a twin-engined Super-JF-17.




Indeed, for the first time I agree ... in the same way Germany will never ever again develop and build a true fifth or even sixth generation fighter regardless their vastly greater experience and availability to missing systems on the open Western market, such a type alone in terms of Pakistan "indigeneous development" is anyway on the edge of being overambitious.

Why would the WS-10 be out of reach for Pakistan?

 

[nomi007]

The fuselage of the first KF-X prototype at KAI’s assembly facility in Sacheon.

Hope PAF will follow same standards.

 

[Armchair]

An interesting post by messiach I stumbled across, in addition to the last one I posted that supports the assertion Azm is an evolution from the JF-17 - meaning new airframe with single engine, rather than something radically different (like a twin engined delta canard)

Project development is in logical steps. Its always easy sticking to mature designs. The next fighter would be logical evolution of block3. F7 > F7pg | fc1-1 > fc1-2 > fc1-3 > FGF.

 

[The Raven]

An interesting post by messiach I stumbled across, in addition to the last one I posted that supports the assertion Azm is an evolution from the JF-17 - meaning new airframe with single engine, rather than something radically different (like a twin engined delta canard)

The JF-17 has nothing to do with the legacy Mig-21 design or the F-7/PG. The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept and redesigned with Mikoyan's input with lateral intakes instead of the single ventral intake on the original Mig-33 design concept. Another person's opinion, and false one at that, is not proof of anything.

 

[Avicenna]

The JF-17 has nothing to do with the legacy Mig-21 design or the F-7/PG. The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept and redesigned with Mikoyan's input with lateral intakes instead of the single ventral intake on the original Mig-33 design concept. Another person's opinion, and false one at that, is not proof of anything.

Super 7 was the original plan.

If not for the fortune of the Russians willing to help.

 

[The Eagle]

The JF-17 has nothing to do with the legacy Mig-21 design or the F-7/PG. The JF-17 is based on the Mig-33 concept and redesigned with Mikoyan's input with lateral intakes instead of the single ventral intake on the original Mig-33 design concept. Another person's opinion, and false one at that, is not proof of anything.

Those are examples of 2 different evolution that we witnessed.
Example 1: F7 > F7/PG
Example 2: FC-1 Block-I > Block-II > Block-III > FGF.

She didn't mean to relate F7 to Thunder at all.

 

[StormBreaker]

Those are examples of 2 different evolution that we witnessed.
Example 1: F7 > F7/PG
Example 2: FC-1 Block-I > Block-II > Block-III > FGF.

She didn't mean to relate F7 to Thunder at all.

I think you meant to use this ‘<‘

 

[The Eagle]

I think you meant to use this ‘<‘

Example 1: F7 to F7/PG
Example 2: FC-1 Block-I to Block-II to Block-III to FGF.

Ye lain Sir.

 

[StormBreaker]

Example 1: F7 to F7/PG
Example 2: FC-1 Block-I to Block-II to Block-III to FGF.

Ye lain Sir.

Ohh,
Sorry, Was thinking arithmetically.

BTW,
Long time no see, How’s life buddy ?

 

[The Eagle]

Ohh,
Sorry, Was thinking arithmetically.

BTW,
Long time no see, How’s life buddy ?

Alhamdulillah all fine. Been away but for good.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

An interesting post by messiach I stumbled across, in addition to the last one I posted that supports the assertion Azm is an evolution from the JF-17 - meaning new airframe with single engine, rather than something radically different (like a twin engined delta canard)

Except a few months after that post the CAS said the ASR is twin engine. So, in all likelihood, they abandoned plans for an incremental step from the JF-17 and moved to look at joining one of FC-31 or TF-X.

 

[forcetrip]

Im afraid people are not actually sure what project AZM really is. I might be one of those people. For me project AZM is to stealth fighters what SUPARCO is for Space travel. FC-31 is what could be brought to Pakistan same way JF17 was.

 

[The Raven]

For me project AZM is to stealth fighters what SUPARCO is for Space travel

Brilliant!