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Haq's Musings: Book Sales in India: Profit Motive Drives Authors Bashing Pakistan

Have you ever wondered why the publication of anti-Pakistan books has become a major growth industry today? The answer is simple: Authors and publishers of books about Pakistan know where the money is. It's in India where the book sales are rising rapidly in the midst of continuing global decline. Strong profit motive drives them to write what Indians want to read. Those, like Professor Wendy Doniger of University of Chicago, who ignore this reality are punished by having their books withdrawn and pulped. No publisher wants to take this risk now. And authors who wish to get published have to understand it too.

Indian Book Market:

India's English language book market is the world's third largest, behind that of the United States at the top and of the United Kingdom at number 2. It is the fastest growing market today which will make India the world's number 1 market in the next ten years. It could happen sooner if the book sales in the US and the UK decline faster or those in India grow more rapidly than they are already.



India's Pakistan Narrative:

The best way to understand the Indian narrative about Pakistan today is to read "The Warrior State: Pakistan in the Contemporary World" by Canada's McGill University Professor Thazha Varkey Paul, a graduate of India's Jawaharlal Nehru University, who describes Pakistan as a "warrior state" and a "conspicuous failure". It is among a slew of recently published anti-Pakistan books by mainly Indian and western authors which paint Pakistan as a rogue state which deserves to be condemned, isolated and sanctioned by the international community. Others, including Christine Fair and Husain Haqqani have also used the same narrative to get a lot of buzz and sell books in India and the West.

Christine Fair's About-Face:

C. Christine Fair is an assistant professor in the Center for Peace and Security Studies (CPASS), within Georgetown University’s Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service. She has only recently wised up to the opportunity to sell lots of books in India.

Before writing and promoting "Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War", an anti-Pakistan book, American analyst and author Christine Fair said this in 2009: "Having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity! Moreover, India has run operations from its mission in Mazar (through which it supported the Northern Alliance) and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Qandahar along the border. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Baluchistan".

Husain Haqqani's Double Game:

Husain Haqqani, former Pakistani ambassador to US, has been the darling of India and the West since the publication of his book "Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military" in 2005. He has recently followed it up with another Pakistan-bashing book "Magnificent Delusions" in which he accuses Pakistan of lying and playing a double-game with the West.

Washington Post's Richard Lieby's review summed up the book in the following words: "Read his book and you might think Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s ambassador to Washington from 2008 to 2011, is no friend of his homeland. Its leaders are liars, double-dealers and shakedown artists, he says. They have been this way for decades, and, as Haqqani ably documents, the United States often has served as Pakistan’s willing dupe. But for all its criticism of Pakistan, “Magnificent Delusions”is a necessary prescriptive: If there’s any hope of salvaging what seems like a doomed relationship, it helps to know how everything went so wrong. Haqqani is here to tell us."

If one really analyses Haqqani's narrative, one has to conclude that Pakistanis are extraordinarily clever in deceiving the United States and its highly sophisticated policymakers who have been taken for a ride by Pakistanis for over 6 decades. It raises the following questions:

Question 1: Given the belief that Pakistan would not survive, how did the country defy such expectations? What role did its "villainous" military play in its political and economic survival? What does the history say about rapid economic development of Pakistan under military regimes?

Question 2: Wouldn't any country that suffered a military invasion by its much larger neighbor and its break-up be justified in feeling threatened? Wouldn't such a country build deterrence against further adventures by its bigger neighbor?

Question 3: If the standard western narrative is correct, why have successive US administrations been so naive and gullible as to be duped by Pakistan's politicians and generals for such a long period of time? Is it not an indictment of all US administrations from Harry S. Truman's to Barack H. Obama's?

Question 4: What role did Pakistan play in the defeat of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and the subsequent break-up of the Soviet Union?

Question 5: What price has Pakistan paid for facilitating US military operations in Afghanistan? How many Pakistani soldiers and civilians have lost their lives since 911?

Debunking TV Paul's Narrative:

TV Paul describes Pakistan as a "warrior state" and a "conspicuous failure". Is it really?

Let's do a point-by-point examination of Paul's narrative:

1. Paul argues: Seemingly from its birth, Pakistan has teetered on the brink of becoming a failed state.

In 1947 at the time of independence, Pakistan was described as a "Nissen hut or a tent" by British Viceroy of India Lord Mountbatten in a conversation with Jawarhar Lal Nehru. However, Pakistan defied this expectation that it would not survive as an independent nation and the partition of India would be quickly reversed. Pakistan not only survived but thrived with its economic growth rate easily exceeding the "Hindu growth rate" in India for most of its history.


Agriculture Value Added Per Capita in 2000 US $. Source: World Bank


Even now when the economic growth rate has considerably slowed, Pakistan has lower levels of poverty and hunger than its neighbor India, according UNDP and IFPRI. The key reason for lower poverty in Pakistan is its per capita value added in agriculture which is twice that of India. Agriculture employs 40% of Pakistanis and 60% of Indians. The poor state of rural India can be gauged by the fact that an Indian farmer commits suicide every 30 minutes.

2. Paul: Its economy is as dysfunctional as its political system is corrupt; both rely heavily on international aid for their existence.

The fact is that foreign to aid to Pakistan has been declining as a percentage of its GDP since 1960s when it reached a peak of 11% of GDP in 1963. Today, foreign aid makes up less than 2% of its GDP of $240 billion.


Foreign Aid as Percentage of Pakistan GDP. Source: World Bank


3. Paul: Taliban forces occupy 30 percent of the country.

The Taliban "occupy" a small part of FATA called North Waziristan which is about 4,700 sq kilometers, about 0.5% of its 796,000 sq kilometers area. Talking about insurgents "occupying" territory, about 40% of Indian territory is held by Maoist insurgents in the "red corridor" in Central India, according to Indian security analyst Bharat Verma.

4. Paul: It possesses over a hundred nuclear weapons that could easily fall into terrorists' hands.

A recent assessment by Nuclear Threat Initiative ranked Pakistan above India on "Nuclear Materials Security Index".

5. Paul: Why, in an era when countries across the developing world are experiencing impressive economic growth and building democratic institutions, has Pakistan been such a conspicuous failure?

Pakistan's nominal GDP has quadrupled from $60 billion in 2000 to $240 billion now. Along with total GDP, Pakistan's GDP per capita has also grown significantly over the years, from about $500 in Year 2000 to $1000 per person in 2007 on President Musharraf's watch, elevating it from a low-income to a middle-income country in the last decade.I wouldn't call that a failure.




Pakistan Per Capita GDP 1960-2012. Source: World Bank


Goldman Sachs' Jim O'Neill, the economist who coined BRIC, has put Pakistan among the Next 11 group in terms of growth in the next several decades.

6. Paul argues that the "geostrategic curse"--akin to the "resource curse" that plagues oil-rich autocracies--is at the root of Pakistan's unique inability to progress. Since its founding in 1947, Pakistan has been at the center of major geopolitical struggles: the US-Soviet rivalry, the conflict with India, and most recently the post 9/11 wars.

Pakistan is no more a warrior state that many others in the world. It spends no more than 3.5% of its GDP on defense, lower than most of the nations of the world.

7. Paul says: No matter how ineffective the regime is, massive foreign aid keeps pouring in from major powers and their allies with a stake in the region.The reliability of such aid defuses any pressure on political elites to launch the far-reaching domestic reforms necessary to promote sustained growth, higher standards of living, and more stable democratic institutions.

"Massive foreign aid" adds up to less than 1% of Pakistan's GDP. Pakistan's diaspora sends it over 5% of Pakistan's GDP in remittances.

8. Paul: Excessive war-making efforts have drained Pakistan's limited economic resources without making the country safer or more stable. Indeed, despite the regime's emphasis on security, the country continues to be beset by widespread violence and terrorism.



Pakistan Defense Spending as % of GDP Source: World Indicators


In spite of declining military spending which is just 3.5% of its GDP now which is average for its size, Pakistan has achieved strategic parity with India by developing nuclear weapons. It has since prevented India from invading Pakistan as it did in 1971 to break up the country. Pakistani military has shown in Swat in 2009 that it is quite capable of dealing with insurgents when ordered to do so by the civilian govt.


Growth in Asia's Middle Class. Source: Asian Development Bank


While it is true that Pakistan has not lived up to its potential when compared with other US Cold War allies in East and Southeast Asia, it is wrong to describe it as "conspicuous failure". Pakistan should be compared with other countries in South Asia region, not East Asia or Southeast Asia. Comparison with its South Asian neighbors India and Bangladesh shows that an average Pakistani is less poor, less hungry and more upwardly mobile, according to credible data from multiple independent sources.

Conclusion:

Pakistan is neither a "warrior state" nor a "conspicuous failure" as argued by Professor TV Paul. To the contrary, it has been the victim of the invading Indian Army in 1971 which cut off its eastern wing. Pakistan has built a minimum nuclear deterrent in response to India's development of a nuclear arsenal. Pakistan has responded to the 1971 trauma by ensuring that such a tragedy does not happen again, particularly through a foreign invasion.

Pakistan is a complex country. It is much more upwardly mobile than many of its neighbors, including India. While the country is suffering growing pains like any other developing nation, the false narrative of exaggeration of its difficulties being promoted by a flurry of books bashing Pakistan is driven more by desire for commerce than by serious academic search for truth. Assertions made in such books fall apart when subjected to the close scrutiny that I have done in this post.

Today, Pakistan faces some of the toughest challenges of its existence. It has to deal with the Taliban insurgency and a weak economy. It has to solve its deepening energy crisis. It has to address growing water scarcity. While I believe Pakistanis are a very resilient and determined people, the difficult challenges they face will test them, particularly their leaders who have been falling short of their expectations in recent years.


Related Links:

Haq's Musings

Debunking TV Paul

Challenging Gall-Haqqani-Paul Narrative

Looking Back at 1940 Lahore Resolution

Pakistan's Economic History

History of Literacy in Pakistan

Upwardly Mobile Pakistan

Asian Tigers Brought Prosperity

Value Added Agriculture in Pakistan

Are India and Pakistan Failed States?

Musharraf Accelerated Growth of Pakistan's Financial and Human Capital

Pakistan's Nuclear Program

Pakistan on Goldman Sachs' BRIC+N11 Growth Map

Haq's Musings: Book Sales in India: Profit Motive Drives Authors Bashing Pakistan
 
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povert ridden indians are not able to buy books. being 3rd largest.... no way.
 
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Haq's Musings: Book Sales in India: Profit Motive Drives Authors Bashing Pakistan

Have you ever wondered why the publication of anti-Pakistan books has become a major growth industry today? The answer is simple: Authors and publishers of books about Pakistan know where the money is. It's in India where the book sales are rising rapidly in the midst of continuing global decline. Strong profit motive drives them to write what Indians want to read. Those, like Professor Wendy Doniger of University of Chicago, who ignore this reality are punished by having their books withdrawn and pulped. No publisher wants to take this risk now. And authors who wish to get published have to understand it too.

Indian Book Market:

India's English language book market is the world's third largest, behind that of the United States at the top and of the United Kingdom at number 2. It is the fastest growing market today which will make India the world's number 1 market in the next ten years. It could happen sooner if the book sales in the US and the UK decline faster or those in India grow more rapidly than they are already.



India's Pakistan Narrative:

The best way to understand the Indian narrative about Pakistan today is to read "The Warrior State: Pakistan in the Contemporary World" by Canada's McGill University Professor Thazha Varkey Paul, a graduate of India's Jawaharlal Nehru University, who describes Pakistan as a "warrior state" and a "conspicuous failure". It is among a slew of recently published anti-Pakistan books by mainly Indian and western authors which paint Pakistan as a rogue state which deserves to be condemned, isolated and sanctioned by the international community. Others, including Christine Fair and Husain Haqqani have also used the same narrative to get a lot of buzz and sell books in India and the West.

Christine Fair's About-Face:

C. Christine Fair is an assistant professor in the Center for Peace and Security Studies (CPASS), within Georgetown University’s Edmund A. Walsh School of Foreign Service. She has only recently wised up to the opportunity to sell lots of books in India.

Before writing and promoting "Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army's Way of War", an anti-Pakistan book, American analyst and author Christine Fair said this in 2009: "Having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity! Moreover, India has run operations from its mission in Mazar (through which it supported the Northern Alliance) and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Qandahar along the border. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Baluchistan".

Husain Haqqani's Double Game:

Husain Haqqani, former Pakistani ambassador to US, has been the darling of India and the West since the publication of his book "Pakistan: Between Mosque and Military" in 2005. He has recently followed it up with another Pakistan-bashing book "Magnificent Delusions" in which he accuses Pakistan of lying and playing a double-game with the West.

Washington Post's Richard Lieby's review summed up the book in the following words: "Read his book and you might think Husain Haqqani, Pakistan’s ambassador to Washington from 2008 to 2011, is no friend of his homeland. Its leaders are liars, double-dealers and shakedown artists, he says. They have been this way for decades, and, as Haqqani ably documents, the United States often has served as Pakistan’s willing dupe. But for all its criticism of Pakistan, “Magnificent Delusions”is a necessary prescriptive: If there’s any hope of salvaging what seems like a doomed relationship, it helps to know how everything went so wrong. Haqqani is here to tell us."

If one really analyses Haqqani's narrative, one has to conclude that Pakistanis are extraordinarily clever in deceiving the United States and its highly sophisticated policymakers who have been taken for a ride by Pakistanis for over 6 decades. It raises the following questions:

Question 1: Given the belief that Pakistan would not survive, how did the country defy such expectations? What role did its "villainous" military play in its political and economic survival? What does the history say about rapid economic development of Pakistan under military regimes?

Question 2: Wouldn't any country that suffered a military invasion by its much larger neighbor and its break-up be justified in feeling threatened? Wouldn't such a country build deterrence against further adventures by its bigger neighbor?

Question 3: If the standard western narrative is correct, why have successive US administrations been so naive and gullible as to be duped by Pakistan's politicians and generals for such a long period of time? Is it not an indictment of all US administrations from Harry S. Truman's to Barack H. Obama's?

Question 4: What role did Pakistan play in the defeat of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan and the subsequent break-up of the Soviet Union?

Question 5: What price has Pakistan paid for facilitating US military operations in Afghanistan? How many Pakistani soldiers and civilians have lost their lives since 911?

Debunking TV Paul's Narrative:

TV Paul describes Pakistan as a "warrior state" and a "conspicuous failure". Is it really?

Let's do a point-by-point examination of Paul's narrative:

1. Paul argues: Seemingly from its birth, Pakistan has teetered on the brink of becoming a failed state.

In 1947 at the time of independence, Pakistan was described as a "Nissen hut or a tent" by British Viceroy of India Lord Mountbatten in a conversation with Jawarhar Lal Nehru. However, Pakistan defied this expectation that it would not survive as an independent nation and the partition of India would be quickly reversed. Pakistan not only survived but thrived with its economic growth rate easily exceeding the "Hindu growth rate" in India for most of its history.


Agriculture Value Added Per Capita in 2000 US $. Source: World Bank


Even now when the economic growth rate has considerably slowed, Pakistan has lower levels of poverty and hunger than its neighbor India, according UNDP and IFPRI. The key reason for lower poverty in Pakistan is its per capita value added in agriculture which is twice that of India. Agriculture employs 40% of Pakistanis and 60% of Indians. The poor state of rural India can be gauged by the fact that an Indian farmer commits suicide every 30 minutes.

2. Paul: Its economy is as dysfunctional as its political system is corrupt; both rely heavily on international aid for their existence.

The fact is that foreign to aid to Pakistan has been declining as a percentage of its GDP since 1960s when it reached a peak of 11% of GDP in 1963. Today, foreign aid makes up less than 2% of its GDP of $240 billion.


Foreign Aid as Percentage of Pakistan GDP. Source: World Bank


3. Paul: Taliban forces occupy 30 percent of the country.

The Taliban "occupy" a small part of FATA called North Waziristan which is about 4,700 sq kilometers, about 0.5% of its 796,000 sq kilometers area. Talking about insurgents "occupying" territory, about 40% of Indian territory is held by Maoist insurgents in the "red corridor" in Central India, according to Indian security analyst Bharat Verma.

4. Paul: It possesses over a hundred nuclear weapons that could easily fall into terrorists' hands.

A recent assessment by Nuclear Threat Initiative ranked Pakistan above India on "Nuclear Materials Security Index".

5. Paul: Why, in an era when countries across the developing world are experiencing impressive economic growth and building democratic institutions, has Pakistan been such a conspicuous failure?

Pakistan's nominal GDP has quadrupled from $60 billion in 2000 to $240 billion now. Along with total GDP, Pakistan's GDP per capita has also grown significantly over the years, from about $500 in Year 2000 to $1000 per person in 2007 on President Musharraf's watch, elevating it from a low-income to a middle-income country in the last decade.I wouldn't call that a failure.




Pakistan Per Capita GDP 1960-2012. Source: World Bank


Goldman Sachs' Jim O'Neill, the economist who coined BRIC, has put Pakistan among the Next 11 group in terms of growth in the next several decades.

6. Paul argues that the "geostrategic curse"--akin to the "resource curse" that plagues oil-rich autocracies--is at the root of Pakistan's unique inability to progress. Since its founding in 1947, Pakistan has been at the center of major geopolitical struggles: the US-Soviet rivalry, the conflict with India, and most recently the post 9/11 wars.

Pakistan is no more a warrior state that many others in the world. It spends no more than 3.5% of its GDP on defense, lower than most of the nations of the world.

7. Paul says: No matter how ineffective the regime is, massive foreign aid keeps pouring in from major powers and their allies with a stake in the region.The reliability of such aid defuses any pressure on political elites to launch the far-reaching domestic reforms necessary to promote sustained growth, higher standards of living, and more stable democratic institutions.

"Massive foreign aid" adds up to less than 1% of Pakistan's GDP. Pakistan's diaspora sends it over 5% of Pakistan's GDP in remittances.

8. Paul: Excessive war-making efforts have drained Pakistan's limited economic resources without making the country safer or more stable. Indeed, despite the regime's emphasis on security, the country continues to be beset by widespread violence and terrorism.



Pakistan Defense Spending as % of GDP Source: World Indicators


In spite of declining military spending which is just 3.5% of its GDP now which is average for its size, Pakistan has achieved strategic parity with India by developing nuclear weapons. It has since prevented India from invading Pakistan as it did in 1971 to break up the country. Pakistani military has shown in Swat in 2009 that it is quite capable of dealing with insurgents when ordered to do so by the civilian govt.


Growth in Asia's Middle Class. Source: Asian Development Bank


While it is true that Pakistan has not lived up to its potential when compared with other US Cold War allies in East and Southeast Asia, it is wrong to describe it as "conspicuous failure". Pakistan should be compared with other countries in South Asia region, not East Asia or Southeast Asia. Comparison with its South Asian neighbors India and Bangladesh shows that an average Pakistani is less poor, less hungry and more upwardly mobile, according to credible data from multiple independent sources.

Conclusion:

Pakistan is neither a "warrior state" nor a "conspicuous failure" as argued by Professor TV Paul. To the contrary, it has been the victim of the invading Indian Army in 1971 which cut off its eastern wing. Pakistan has built a minimum nuclear deterrent in response to India's development of a nuclear arsenal. Pakistan has responded to the 1971 trauma by ensuring that such a tragedy does not happen again, particularly through a foreign invasion.

Pakistan is a complex country. It is much more upwardly mobile than many of its neighbors, including India. While the country is suffering growing pains like any other developing nation, the false narrative of exaggeration of its difficulties being promoted by a flurry of books bashing Pakistan is driven more by desire for commerce than by serious academic search for truth. Assertions made in such books fall apart when subjected to the close scrutiny that I have done in this post.

Today, Pakistan faces some of the toughest challenges of its existence. It has to deal with the Taliban insurgency and a weak economy. It has to solve its deepening energy crisis. It has to address growing water scarcity. While I believe Pakistanis are a very resilient and determined people, the difficult challenges they face will test them, particularly their leaders who have been falling short of their expectations in recent years.


Related Links:

Haq's Musings

Debunking TV Paul

Challenging Gall-Haqqani-Paul Narrative

Looking Back at 1940 Lahore Resolution

Pakistan's Economic History

History of Literacy in Pakistan

Upwardly Mobile Pakistan

Asian Tigers Brought Prosperity

Value Added Agriculture in Pakistan

Are India and Pakistan Failed States?

Musharraf Accelerated Growth of Pakistan's Financial and Human Capital

Pakistan's Nuclear Program

Pakistan on Goldman Sachs' BRIC+N11 Growth Map

Haq's Musings: Book Sales in India: Profit Motive Drives Authors Bashing Pakistan
Indians have some fasinating wet dreams about Pakistan and their number is increasing by every passing day
 
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povert ridden indians are not able to buy books. being 3rd largest.... no way.

India has 1.3 billion people. A tiny percentage of them with some disposable income and a little education can afford to buy books making India a large market.
 
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So, the great Riaz Haq has took a couple of books from 100's of books in India which make hefty profits every year and somehow managed to link it with growth rates, defense spending, foreign aid..:hitwall: :hitwall:

Haq's Musings??? Am not amused.
 
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Well to be honest I agree with , the narrative of C.Christine Fair , Hussain Haqqani & T.V Paul, because I find them logical as do many, & I have some important points too , which are , that if , what the Authors are saying is not correct , Then please Pray, tell me , why did the Pakistan Army rejected the Bhutto-Saran Singh proposal , which would give Pakistan a good amount of Land in Kashmir , in return for accepting the CFL @ that time as the IB, ?secondly , why after the Indian PM. Atal Bihari Vajpayee , visited Lahore in 1999 & agreed to resolve all outstanding issues , with Pakistan Including "Kashmir" , then why did the Pakistan Army conducted the Kargil adventure ? , doesn't these realities coincides with what the Author's are saying ? doesn't these very real incidents strengthens the Authors narratives ? which is that the Pakistan Army does not wants to resolves issues with India, so that to continue the national narrative of India being the no.1 enemy , in order for them to exercise their strong dominance in the country ? see these are some very hard , but Nonetheless some very real & important Question's , which the Pakistan Army has to address , in order for the international community to take Pakistan seriously

@Oscar , @Chak Bamu sir' I have raised some very important & very valid points , & these are some very real concern's & has strong connotations with what the Authors narratives are, so sir' with out getting these issues addressed by the Pakistan Army , it is very difficult for the international community to take Pakistan seriously , or to trust it , for that matter . sir's what is your view on this ? please addresse this issue , as this is extremely important for not only me, but also many other Pakistanis, because if these questions are not addressed , The Army will loose respect in many Pakistanis eyes & many Pakistanis living aboard will never be able to support it.
 
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So, the great Riaz Haq has took a couple of books from 100's of books in India which make hefty profits every year and somehow managed to link it with growth rates, defense spending, foreign aid..:hitwall: :hitwall:

Haq's Musings??? Am not amused.

Oh its only the "Hacq's A-musings" after all.........Only eats up band-width on pdf!
 
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Pakistan Army does not wants to resolves issues with India

There are two possibilities:
A) Army is sabotaging the Kashmir issue for selfish reasons
B) Army is upholding the people's wishes against traitor/bribed politicians.

Do we have a credible pulse on the nation's thoughts on Kashmir?
How do we pick one of the two alternatives above?
 
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There are two possibilities:
A) Army is sabotaging the Kashmir issue for selfish reasons
B) Army is upholding the people's wishes against traitor/bribed politicians.

Do we have a credible pulse on the nation's thoughts on Kashmir?
How do we pick one of the two alternatives above?

Both are rather extreme narratives which seem to paint a less than astute representation of the subject. Yes, the Army(the IA too for that matter) has at multiple points sabotaged the Kashmir issue for VERY selfish(which includes military specific strategic and tactical requirements) reasons.. and the assumption that they are not subject or bribery or being on the payroll of people is rather naive. So the whole idea of "with us or against us" is more of a reactionary argument(@Joe Shearer hope the usage is correct this time).. instead of a pragmatic one.

What is the nation's pulse on Kashmir? When was the last time it was actually taken to see if Kashmir was even in the pulse at all when compared to terrorism, law and order, basic needs etc.? The only ones who we are assuming to give a "pulse of the nation" are either a few Urdu columnists, the Pakistani government(who have been conveniently dismissed as traitors/bribed in a blanket statement that includes the tabdeelers and religious branded ones), a Few TV anchors(with dubious credentials themselves),The Military(who have also been accused of selfish ideals), Some Civil society and off course our plentiful extremists..which include the TTP, LeJ, LeT...and their social work alter egos.

Apart from these people who represent around 10% of Pakistan at most.. where is the actual pulse on Kashmir that is wailing every-time the Indian BSF or Army shoves a Kashmiri around or shoots dead a person?
Ironically, the people who this "pulse" is supposedly beating for are now into the realization that they can improve their lives better by working to govern themselves within the Indian system instead of supporting militancy(which when Op Gibraltar was carried out in 65 they never did in the first place). So if there really is a pulse that beats for Kashmir in even 50.000000000000000000001% of Pakistanis, it beats for a pointless cause or at least misinformed on the actual reasons for the cause..which has nothing to do with the Kashmiris(who no offence be damned and can drown in Kashmiri tea) and more to do with strategic positioning and water supply. So if the cause was perhaps sold to Pakistanis that their future water needs depend on a favourable result via kashmir perhaps they might be more inclined to show a pulse .. a pulse that would then damn 10 millions Indians if need be to ensure a water supply.
But that is not the case, and right now the Kashmiri cause is as dead as people who get blown up on a daily basis.. call it a conspiracy.. then it has succeeded.. call it fate.. by whatever name it is... but right now the Pakistani Army for all its faults.. and the Politicians regardless of payrolls and swiss accounts.. have(and should if they have not) realise that the idea of letting people like Abdul Aziz or Hafiz Saeed roam about free is going to only lead to hundred more APS Peshawar's. It is not about the idea of a good terrorists or bad terrorist. The whole world keeps assets, from the US, UK to India and they all act self righteous about it because hypocrisy is the religion of statecraft. What is important is that they realize what assets have more pros than cons instead of trying the same formula again and again hoping they this time they would create gold out of faecal matter in a feat of indoctrination alchemy.

As for the Army(and in general), It is time that people with half a brain in this nation stop pushing the idea of a Mahdi/Messiah to Pakistanis and realize that we are a massively faulty nation at best and a near failed people(not nation.. people) at worst.. with the only infectious ourbreak of bipolar disorder ever seen:

When Nawaz Sharif speaks of tragedy.. the man is lying and has little interest in dead children.. he has interest in the Karachi-Lahore motorway project that he is doing with his old pal Saif-ur-rehman and the political points it gets him..along with billions in profit. When Raheel Sharif talks of attacking terrorists, he ignores that it was him and his colleagues who twenty years ago might have been hoping to get the very nutjobs to move around and blow themselves up in the middle of an Indian Army camp or take over Kabul.

Yet, we find it convenient to splash mud at Nawaz Sharif and not the other one.. because we've been brainwashed with ideas of "holiness" on the GT road office behalf. At the same time, when we finally have the COAS pledging to go after these terrorists we have apologies for terrorists and finger pointing at India without realizing the snakes we meekly let sit inside our mosques who are now many in number and a threat to the existence of this nation.. The same apologists who blame India for attacks like Peshawar however have trouble doing the same for the Baloch insurgency where India is pumping money in there because somehow the Baloch brothers are only doing this because we hurt their feelings(why and how the whole Baloch issue came about is the fault of both the Army and the Politicos.. but one or the other is blamed by whichever the polarized masses support)......

So, how can we then say that the "pulse" of the masses says this or that?

@genmirajborgza786

The Military leadership has a reasonable motivation to continue to enjoy the perks it does. After all when you are competing with the Chief minister for accommodation and motor pool size why would you want to give that up .. and by you I mean the ones in the seat currently, the ones in line, the ones sitting in Kakul seeing that one day that opportunity will come. Like any corporation, you keep the the top administration well kept as both a recruitment incentive and prestige asset against the other "corporations" within Pakistan. A simple clue can be the Language the various CoAS have used in the past and even today.. it is NEVER "the Army will do what the government asks".. it is always "The Army will support the government's actions". Sacrifices aside, those that took the bullets from 65 till today did so valiantly and in the words of their best who were edged out by vested interests; under false pretexts. To create a complete villain out of the Army is folly and unfair.. as their crux is from the same gene pool as that of Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Nawaz Shareef, Ishrat-ul-Ibad or Tahir-ul-Qadri. The only saving grace is a system that in its own isolation has managed to avoid institutional corruption(at least not on the same scale) as that of the other servants of the Pakistani state.


As for the topic, it is almost stating the obvious. One only has to look at the publication history of books and "ideals" to see that what is profitable is always going to be the most common topic. In the 40s it was Anti-Nazi and/or Anti-German rants.. in the early 50s and 60s it was Anti-Communism.. and so on.. the "villain" of the information media then took stage and more balanced voices rarely took the same limelight. Even today, before bemoaning the idea that profits push Anti-Pakistan ideas.. see how ratings and profits push Anti-White sentiments these days in the US among black Americans, how being Anti-Qadiyani or Anti-Shia pushes the profits of many "charity" organizations here.

If I ever intend to launch a book with the views that arent all rosy about Pakistan or certain revelations about the agencies and the terror networks.. Ill start off at the Jaipur festival and read the chapter about the Mumbai don.. sure to rake profits that way.

Its not personal, its just good business.
 
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Both are rather extreme narratives which seem to paint a less than astute representation of the subject. Yes, the Army(the IA too for that matter) has at multiple points sabotaged the Kashmir issue for VERY selfish(which includes military specific strategic and tactical requirements) reasons.. and the assumption that they are not subject or bribery or being on the payroll of people is rather naive. So the whole idea of "with us or against us" is more of a reactionary argument(@Joe Shearer hope the usage is correct this time).. instead of a pragmatic one.

What is the nation's pulse on Kashmir? When was the last time it was actually taken to see if Kashmir was even in the pulse at all when compared to terrorism, law and order, basic needs etc.? The only ones who we are assuming to give a "pulse of the nation" are either a few Urdu columnists, the Pakistani government(who have been conveniently dismissed as traitors/bribed in a blanket statement that includes the tabdeelers and religious branded ones), a Few TV anchors(with dubious credentials themselves),The Military(who have also been accused of selfish ideals), Some Civil society and off course our plentiful extremists..which include the TTP, LeJ, LeT...and their social work alter egos.

Apart from these people who represent around 10% of Pakistan at most.. where is the actual pulse on Kashmir that is wailing every-time the Indian BSF or Army shoves a Kashmiri around or shoots dead a person?
Ironically, the people who this "pulse" is supposedly beating for are now into the realization that they can improve their lives better by working to govern themselves within the Indian system instead of supporting militancy(which when Op Gibraltar was carried out in 65 they never did in the first place). So if there really is a pulse that beats for Kashmir in even 50.000000000000000000001% of Pakistanis, it beats for a pointless cause or at least misinformed on the actual reasons for the cause..which has nothing to do with the Kashmiris(who no offence be damned and can drown in Kashmiri tea) and more to do with strategic positioning and water supply. So if the cause was perhaps sold to Pakistanis that their future water needs depend on a favourable result via kashmir perhaps they might be more inclined to show a pulse .. a pulse that would then damn 10 millions Indians if need be to ensure a water supply.
But that is not the case, and right now the Kashmiri cause is as dead as people who get blown up on a daily basis.. call it a conspiracy.. then it has succeeded.. call it fate.. by whatever name it is... but right now the Pakistani Army for all its faults.. and the Politicians regardless of payrolls and swiss accounts.. have(and should if they have not) realise that the idea of letting people like Abdul Aziz or Hafiz Saeed roam about free is going to only lead to hundred more APS Peshawar's. It is not about the idea of a good terrorists or bad terrorist. The whole world keeps assets, from the US, UK to India and they all act self righteous about it because hypocrisy is the religion of statecraft. What is important is that they realize what assets have more pros than cons instead of trying the same formula again and again hoping they this time they would create gold out of faecal matter in a feat of indoctrination alchemy.

As for the Army(and in general), It is time that people with half a brain in this nation stop pushing the idea of a Mahdi/Messiah to Pakistanis and realize that we are a massively faulty nation at best and a near failed people(not nation.. people) at worst.. with the only infectious ourbreak of bipolar disorder ever seen:

When Nawaz Sharif speaks of tragedy.. the man is lying and has little interest in dead children.. he has interest in the Karachi-Lahore motorway project that he is doing with his old pal Saif-ur-rehman and the political points it gets him..along with billions in profit. When Raheel Sharif talks of attacking terrorists, he ignores that it was him and his colleagues who twenty years ago might have been hoping to get the very nutjobs to move around and blow themselves up in the middle of an Indian Army camp or take over Kabul.

Yet, we find it convenient to splash mud at Nawaz Sharif and not the other one.. because we've been brainwashed with ideas of "holiness" on the GT road office behalf. At the same time, when we finally have the COAS pledging to go after these terrorists we have apologies for terrorists and finger pointing at India without realizing the snakes we meekly let sit inside our mosques who are now many in number and a threat to the existence of this nation.. The same apologists who blame India for attacks like Peshawar however have trouble doing the same for the Baloch insurgency where India is pumping money in there because somehow the Baloch brothers are only doing this because we hurt their feelings(why and how the whole Baloch issue came about is the fault of both the Army and the Politicos.. but one or the other is blamed by whichever the polarized masses support)......

So, how can we then say that the "pulse" of the masses says this or that?

@genmirajborgza786

The Military leadership has a reasonable motivation to continue to enjoy the perks it does. After all when you are competing with the Chief minister for accommodation and motor pool size why would you want to give that up .. and by you I mean the ones in the seat currently, the ones in line, the ones sitting in Kakul seeing that one day that opportunity will come. Like any corporation, you keep the the top administration well kept as both a recruitment incentive and prestige asset against the other "corporations" within Pakistan. A simple clue can be the Language the various CoAS have used in the past and even today.. it is NEVER "the Army will do what the government asks".. it is always "The Army will support the government's actions". Sacrifices aside, those that took the bullets from 65 till today did so valiantly and in the words of their best who were edged out by vested interests; under false pretexts. To create a complete villain out of the Army is folly and unfair.. as their crux is from the same gene pool as that of Maulana Fazlur Rehman, Nawaz Shareef, Ishrat-ul-Ibad or Tahir-ul-Qadri. The only saving grace is a system that in its own isolation has managed to avoid institutional corruption(at least not on the same scale) as that of the other servants of the Pakistani state.


As for the topic, it is almost stating the obvious. One only has to look at the publication history of books and "ideals" to see that what is profitable is always going to be the most common topic. In the 40s it was Anti-Nazi and/or Anti-German rants.. in the early 50s and 60s it was Anti-Communism.. and so on.. the "villain" of the information media then took stage and more balanced voices rarely took the same limelight. Even today, before bemoaning the idea that profits push Anti-Pakistan ideas.. see how ratings and profits push Anti-White sentiments these days in the US among black Americans, how being Anti-Qadiyani or Anti-Shia pushes the profits of many "charity" organizations here.

If I ever intend to launch a book with the views that arent all rosy about Pakistan or certain revelations about the agencies and the terror networks.. Ill start off at the Jaipur festival and read the chapter about the Mumbai don.. sure to rake profits that way.

Its not personal, its just good business.

Critique is fine, but also useless without solutions. We as Pakistanis need to educate those around us for a better world. No matter what nation you are in out of the so 200+ states in the world, someone will always find something at contrast with what you have. I would like to see some solutions to the aforementioned problems here. What can a nation as a whole do? What can an individual do?

It is easy to disarm an insurgent (terrorist or separatist-read comrade style Che Guevara) but it is extremely hard to tell him that there is no way he can feed himself and his family, because he never got the skills to do any menial or major work......so picking up a weapon remains his stable employment.
 
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Both are rather extreme narratives which seem to paint a less than astute representation of the subject.

Propositions in a debate are always expressed as two extreme alternatives. It is understood by experienced debaters that reality will always lie somewhere in the middle.

Kashmiris(who no offence be damned and can drown in Kashmiri tea)

That clears up your personal view on the matter and we can read the rest of your post in context.

idea of letting people like Abdul Aziz or Hafiz Saeed roam about free is going to only lead to hundred more APS Peshawar's.

The question is not about tactics, but the fundamental position on Kashmir's sovereignty.
 
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Well to be honest I agree with , the narrative of C.Christine Fair , Hussain Haqqani & T.V Paul, because I find them logical as do many, & I have some important points too , which are , that if , what the Authors are saying is not correct , Then please Pray, tell me , why did the Pakistan Army rejected the Bhutto-Saran Singh proposal , which would give Pakistan a good amount of Land in Kashmir , in return for accepting the CFL @ that time as the IB, ?secondly , why after the Indian PM. Atal Bihari Vajpayee , visited Lahore in 1999 & agreed to resolve all outstanding issues , with Pakistan Including "Kashmir" , then why did the Pakistan Army conducted the Kargil adventure ? , doesn't these realities coincides with what the Author's are saying ? doesn't these very real incidents strengthens the Authors narratives ? which is that the Pakistan Army does not wants to resolves issues with India, so that to continue the national narrative of India being the no.1 enemy , in order for them to exercise their strong dominance in the country ? see these are some very hard , but Nonetheless some very real & important Question's , which the Pakistan Army has to address , in order for the international community to take Pakistan seriously

@Oscar , @Chak Bamu sir' I have raised some very important but very valid points , & these are some very real concern's & has strong connotations with what the Authors narratives are, so sir' with out getting these issues addressed by the Pakistan Army , it is very difficult for the international community to take Pakistan seriously , or to trust it , for that matter . sir's what is your view on this ? please addresse this issue , as this is extremely important for not only me, but also many other Pakistanis, because if these questions not addressed , The Army will loose respect in many Pakistanis eyes & many Pakistanis living aboard will never be able to support it.


Without much objective evidence, you are pointing at Pakistan Army just like our enemies do. What you need to understand is that when politician or politics fails, army step in.

Dont go too far in the past. Right now, while the politicians are hamstrung by their lack of decision making and with sole objective of saving their political fiefdom, they are doing a perfect set up for army intervention. When Musharraf stepped in, it was an example of abject failure of politicians.

I m no advocate of army intervention or army in politics but politicians leave space for army to intervene. Your tone and your post smacks of the Bhutto vindictiveness. Enough of this Bhutto victimhood. It does not cut much. Bhutto's party performance in governance and corruption is for all of us to see and take lessons from. In developed world where you live, the politicians do their job and dont leave any outsider to intervene. Alas, one day, we too get this type of political maturity. For this, we need to uproot this sapling of family politics, for a start.
 
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Forgive my ignorance, Never came across an "Anti-Pakistan" book in India in my life, may be am too busy than worrying about "Great Pakistan" country!. FYI... Many Indians have lots of disposable income to buy books and other things in India.

povert ridden indians are not able to buy books. being 3rd largest.... no way.
Come and see India first mate.. you are welcome
 
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