Prithvi missiles to be replaced by more-capable Prahar: DRDO

[Gessler]

We are working on nuclear propulsion for space rockets.

Please, any info you have on this post it.

Or you already happen to have posted a thread on it, please give me the link.

 

[kurup]

Please, any info you have on this post it.

Or you already happen to have posted a thread on it, please give me the link.

ISRO looks at n-power to take it deep into universe - Indian Express

 

[ptltejas]

India must have small tactical nukes. India has a highly developed nuclear program with our capabilities ranging from thermonuclear weapons to plasma physics to nuclear submarines to fast breeder reactors etc. We are working on nuclear propulsion for space rockets.

Link Brother. If it is so. Great deal. though question from where we shall launch it. I think we should have to use one Island from remote place where people do not object it.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

@DESERT FIGHTER and at any others with the doubts.

1. India's doctrine does not call for usage of tactical nukes on enemy forces at close range,
because the conventional forces (and larger number of battlefield missiles with conventional
warheads) are to be used to quell the opposition.

Thus India does not call it's smaller-yield warheads as a tactical nuke, because they are not
widely used in tactical role. They are referred to as Miniature Nukes, purely on basis
of their size (because the technology to make miniature nukes have multiple-kiloton yield is well
underway (and much has been completed successfully) in India since last 2 decades.

So if you see a TNW in Pak inventory having a yield of 0.3KT (sub-kiloton), and then you see an
MNW (Miniature Nuclear Warhead) in Indian inventory with the same size as Pak's TNW, capable
of fitting into the same space, having a yield of 1.5-2.0KT, don't be surprised.

I think I have somewhat neatly explained what I wanted to explain by now.

2. India does not need TNWs, it's not like we need it but are unable to make it, whoever believes
that this is the case is no better than a fool.

3. There is no changing the fact that India is several decades ahead of Pakistan when it comes
to development of nuclear technology.

4. No MIRV supposed to go onboard a missile like Agni-V will ever be of the tactical/miniature type.
It will be of several double-digit kiloton yield atleast. Although triple-digit KT bombs are
believed to be in possession of India's Strategic Forces Command since many years.

However development of an MIRV system sure includes the use of technology needed to have
warheads have a big yield while occupying lesser space and being of lesser size. The aspect that
India is developing MIRVs for use on IRBM/ICBM-type missiles shows that we have not only developed
but also perfected the said technology.

5. A missile is nuclear-capable (a word most often used by Western analysts/watchers) does not mean
a nuclear warhead is readily on that missile. It could be just an assumption that because they have a
short-range nuclear missile, they could have a TNW, or maybe they plan to develop it in future and wanted
to have the platform for the TNW ready before the actual TNW comes into effect.

Secondly, BrahMos Block-II/Block-III are also referred to as nuclear-capable at the other hand.

In short no operation "tactical nukes"...also what is the benefit of having a sub-KT nuke when it weighs hundreds of kgs?.... also how did brahmos come into equation?

How many satellites can it put into orbit in a single flight and what how many missions has it
accomplished?

I need the info please...

None... its under development... was probably to be launched in 2012... but wasnt probably because of funding issues... here is a pic of a Pak SLV shown in the past at IDEAS exhibition.......now probably by 2014-15:

Shaheen III with a range of 4500 Km could be used...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-strategic-forces/189825-taimur-slv-pakistan-5.html

Although i would warn you.... the thread turned into a troll war..

 

[ptltejas]

well on Federation of American Scientists the photographs of nuke test places are given here is the link.

Shakti Nuclear Weapons Tests - India Nuclear Forces

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/India/IndiaShakti.html

 

[Gessler]

In short no operation "tactical nukes"

Nope. And they will never be either.

But miniature nukes are operational, which are infact similar to what you call as tactical
nuke but not meant for tactical role. They come with higher yield and are for a semi-strategic/strategic
role.

also what is the benefit of having a sub-KT nuke when it weighs hundreds of kgs?....

Whose nukes are you referring to?

also how did brahmos come into equation?

It's not HOW it came into equation. It's the WHY.

BrahMos is popularly written about as being N-capable by many Western defence experts, but
that does not mean it is already equipped with an N-bomb.

I wanted to show that if someone calls Nasr as N-capable doesn't necessarily mean that it already
has a TNW onboard.

None... its under development... was probably to be launched in 2012... but wasnt probably because of funding issues... here is a pic of a Pak SLV shown in the past at IDEAS exhibition.......now probably by 2014-15:

Here's what you said :

...although an SLV is a reality...

How can you call it a reality when it hasn't even been tested and is still some years
away from testing? And how is it related to MIRV?

Shaheen III with a range of 4500 Km could be used...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-strategic-forces/189825-taimur-slv-pakistan-5.html

Although i would warn you.... the thread turned into a troll war..

And I must warn you that Shaheen-III doesn't exist anywhere except in dream world.

 

[ptltejas]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...-already-have-operational-tactical-nukes.html

 

[skysthelimit]

...also what is the benefit of having a sub-KT nuke when it weighs hundreds of kgs?....

The purpose of a sub-KT nuke is to eliminate large battlefield level enemy formations (for example, a tank brigade) without causing widespread nuclear fallout. This limits collateral damage, as the typical use case for such battlefield nukes call for their use in your own country, to stop an invading army. And you also hope to stop the escalation of the conflict to a full-scale mutually-assured-destruction nuclear exchange.

So the weight of the warhead is not the crucial factor, but its nuclear yield. The size is important only so far as you are able to fire it on a missile with adequate range.

This is different from Minitaurized nukes - where the main target is to reduce the weight of the warhead so that you can fire higher yield warheads at greater effective ranges and/or you can fit more warheads on a single missile (MIRV).

 

[DrSomnath999]

not rumoured boy... we tested them few years back remember "Nasr" or Victory missiles... as for miniature nukes.... does india even have any...

Hey Uncle!!

When did pakistan said they have tested nasr with tactical nukes ,just testing the missile makes a jack sense that they tested
with tactical nukes also .


What the hell do u know about India's nuclear weapon s that u are howling so much that india dont have miniature nuclear warhead?

india's nuclear weapons is plutonium derived which are considerably lighter than uranium ,

Miniaturization of nuclear weapons is required according to the type of delivery systems
even Akash SAM system is also known to be nuclear capable a primitive way of ABM systems , so why do u belive india cant make a miniaturized nuclear tactical nukes for prahaar which is derived from india's AAD interceptor missile

strange a person of your calliber is saying this but any way india had tacticaql neukes from as earli as say late 90s even the pokhran 2 in 1998 had one too(a low yeald one) and what makes you think india hasent done anything in this area well to my knowledge prhar was basicalli designed to carry these tactikal neukes ...

I didnt say india doesnt have tactical nukes , what i meant is what degree of Miniaturization of warhead india has achieved so that it can fit that warhead into prahaar missile.

Tactical nukes & Miniaturization of warhead are both different thing





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[Kinetic]

In short no operation "tactical nukes"...also what is the benefit of having a sub-KT nuke when it weighs hundreds of kgs?.... also how did brahmos come into equation?



None... its under development... was probably to be launched in 2012... but wasnt probably because of funding issues... here is a pic of a Pak SLV shown in the past at IDEAS exhibition.......now probably by 2014-15:

Shaheen III with a range of 4500 Km could be used...

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-strategic-forces/189825-taimur-slv-pakistan-5.html

Although i would warn you.... the thread turned into a troll war..

This is a Chinese SLV supposed to launch Chinese-Pakistani satellite.

http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/PAK-SAT-1R.jpg

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Nope. And they will never be either.

But miniature nukes are operational, which are infact similar to what you call as tactical
nuke but not meant for tactical role. They come with higher yield and are for a semi-strategic/strategic
role.

Im talking about small nukes with very small yield ... but enough to destroy a tank division etc..

Whose nukes are you referring to?

What was the weight of shakti devices?

It's not HOW it came into equation. It's the WHY.

BrahMos is popularly written about as being N-capable by many Western defence experts, but
that does mean it is already equipped with an N-bomb.

I wanted to show that if someone calls Nasr as N-capable doesn't necessarily mean that it already
has a TNW onboard.

Seriously man? are you saying tht we dnt have TNs?

Here's what you said :



How can you call it a reality when it hasn't even been tested and is still some years
away from testing? And how is it related to MIRV?

Yes its a reality.. we have been working on it since years now..... if you cant understand my point of view.. its not my problem...

And I must warn you that Shaheen-III doesn't exist anywhere except in dream world.

Dude why dont you google? anyway ... a hint for you.... from an official documentry:

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Hey Uncle!!

When did pakistan said they have tested nasr with tactical nukes ,just testing the missile makes a jack sense that they tested
with tactical nukes also .

Welll i guess indian govt and think tanks are a bunch of retards... to actually believe tht.... they should ask DrSomnath999 for directions...

What the hell do u know about India's nuclear weapon s that u are howling so much that india dont have miniature nuclear warhead?

More than you know about our nuclear weapons... and yes india doesnt have Nasr like tactical nukes... atleast they havent acknowlwdged... maybe u know...

india's nuclear weapons is plutonium derived which are considerably lighter than uranium ,

Good for you... now do "search" about our N. weapons...

Miniaturization of nuclear weapons is required according to the type of delivery systems
even Akash SAM system is also known to be nuclear capable a primitive way of ABM systems , so why do u belive india cant make a miniaturized nuclear tactical nukes for prahaar which is derived from india's AAD interceptor missile

So "dr" are you tellin us tht akash SAM uses a tactical miniature nuke with very low nuclear yields? lol...

I didnt say india doesnt have tactical nukes , what i meant is what degree of Miniaturization of warhead india has achieved so that it can fit that warhead into prahaar missile.

Good for you...

Tactical nukes & Miniaturization of warhead are both different thing

Thank you "Dr"...

This is a Chinese SLV supposed to launch Chinese-Pakistani satellite.

http://www.pakistankakhudahafiz.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/PAK-SAT-1R.jpg

Wow dude... ur really smart.... tht does look like the chinese SLV.... NOT!

 

[Gessler]

Im talking about small nukes with very small yield ... but enough to destroy a tank division etc..

I wouldn't know. Because in India, we don't need a nuke to destroy a mere tank division.
We use sensor-fuzed munitions like CBU-105 to do that.

What was the weight of shakti devices?

The bombs tested in Shakti-I/II weren't the ones I'm talking about.

Seriously man? are you saying tht we dnt have TNs?

I can't say anything definitely at this point.

Dude why dont you google? anyway ... a hint for you.... from an official documentry:

No missile exists until it is tested.

You can even draw a bigger circle around it and call it Shaheen-IV but you know it...well, still
remains in dream world.

Official documentary? Looks like fan art to me.

Besides, that circle is way too firm and that's not how real missile range representation works.

Still a link of where this picture came from wouldn't hurt.

 

[Gessler]

India's existing ballistic missiles (SRBM and above): -

Prithvi-I : 150km
Prithvi-II : 250km
Agni-I : 750-1,250km
Agni-II : 1,500-2,500km
Agni-III : 3,500-5,000km
Agni-IV : 4,000km
Agni-V : 5,000km

Pakistan's existing ballistic missiles (SRBM and above) -

Abdali-I/II : 180+km
Ghaznavi : 290-320km
Ghauri-I : 1,500km
Shaheen-I : 1,500km
Ghauri-II : 1,800km
Shaheen-II : 2,500km

Correct me if wrong somewhere...

 

[Koovie]

India's existing ballistic missiles (SRBM and above): -

Prithvi-I : 150km
Prithvi-II : 250km
Agni-I : 750-1,250km
Agni-II : 1,500-2,500km
Agni-III : 3,500-5,000km
Agni-IV : 4,000km
Agni-V : 5,000km

Pakistan's existing ballistic missiles (SRBM and above) -

Abdali-I/II : 180+km
Ghaznavi : 290-320km
Ghauri-I : 1,500km
Shaheen-I : 1,500km
Ghauri-II : 1,800km
Shaheen-II : 2,500km

Correct me if wrong somewhere...

Agni V and IV are in the testing phase and not operational yet.