Prime Minister Imran Khan Great Inspirational Speech in Karachi

[Lincoln]

Those who are already here arrived illegally and by giving them citizenship you are telling other's that they too can come illegally and wait their turn to get citizenship.

Why is that too hard to comprehend?

Or we can make it impossible for them to have a living and thus they will leave at their own choice through the same way they came illegally.

And if your concern is crime then that too can be easily solved by improving security and law enforcement through reduction of bureaucratic corruption.

Pakistan-Afghanistan border is being sealed and wont be porous as it was before. We have greater control over who enters and who exits the country via the border now. Furthermore, issuing and registration of refugees via any form of identity will allow to us find newly illegally immigrated people easily and deport them or send them back, so it sort of helps.

Forcing them to leave will result in increase in crime, increase in recruitment by terrorists, increased terrorism as a result, increase in violence and increase in death and destruction. Not even the most modern and civilized civilian security would be able to handle this without violence and in a timely manner. It's practically not possible to play the 'improved security will handle it' card because it will take at least a decade for us to improve our civilian security forces to the standard where it is above satisfactory.

And it will take decades for us to make all of them leave. So, why make them leave? You make them leave, what do you get in return? Years of time gone, money gone, infrastructure damaged, terrorist narratives promoted, anti Pakistan sentiment built up. Why not make the best out of it?

 

[Desert Fox]

Pakistan-Afghanistan border is being sealed and wont be porous as it was before. We have greater control over who enters and who exits the country via the border now. Furthermore, issuing and registration of refugees via any form of identity will allow to us find newly illegally immigrated people easily and deport them or send them back, so it sort of helps.

Forcing them to leave will result in increase in crime, increase in recruitment by terrorists, increased terrorism as a result, increase in violence and increase in death and destruction. Not even the most modern and civilized civilian security would be able to handle this without violence and in a timely manner. It's practically not possible to play the 'improved security will handle it' card because it will take at least a decade for us to improve our civilian security forces to the standard where it is above satisfactory.

And it will take decades for us to make all of them leave. So, why make them leave? You make them leave, what do you get in return? Years of time gone, money gone, infrastructure damaged, terrorist narratives promoted, anti Pakistan sentiment built up. Why not make the best out of it?

You wouldn't award someone who breaks into your home, so it makes no sense to give citizenship to people who entered illegally.

Secondly, you are advocating giving citizenship to millions of people when you don't even know how many of them there are. Official numbers are underreported. How will you be able to tell the difference between those who are already here and those who arrived literally yesterday? How will you tell if they really love Pakistan are just want citizenship for financial benefits? Your method is impractical and will be more expensive for Pakistan.

By denying them jobs and health care they will leave on their own through the same route they came and others will be discouraged from coming. No headache of sifting through trying to read people's minds to see who genuinely loves Pakistan or who just wants economic benefits.

 

[Imran Khan]

پین نوں یہو عمران خان دی تے لوڑے تے گئی اودی تقریر ۔

 

[Verve]

How will you track down and remove over two million refugees from the city and be able to remove them without causing harm, increased violence, increasing street crime, anti Pakistan sentiment, increased terrorism as a result and purging your reputation in the process.

It costs nothing and not much effort to say 'throw them out' without utilising a single brain cell on 'how'?

New Immigration Policy is required.

Initially the migrants should be given work permits, and after 10 years of records including tax records, then a citizenship application should be assessed. All background/criminal checks should be done as well. There should be a strict allowance of time outside the country (that would weed out a lot of afghans).

Give them the right to work legally and become taxpayers first.

Charge for Work Permit and Citizenship applications to cover costs, like every country does.

 

[Lincoln]

You wouldn't award someone who breaks into your home, so it makes no sense to give citizenship to people who entered illegally.

Secondly, you are advocating giving citizenship to millions of people when you don't even know how many of them there are. Official numbers are underreported. How will you be able to tell the difference between those who are already here and those who arrived literally yesterday? How will you tell if they really love Pakistan are just want citizenship for financial benefits? Your method is impractical and will be more expensive for Pakistan.

By denying them jobs and health care they will leave on their own through the same route they came and others will be discouraged from coming. No headache of sifting through trying to read people's minds to see who genuinely loves Pakistan or who just wants economic benefits.

Respect isn't demanded. Respect is earned. We don't know if they love Pakistan or not, if we provide for them and hold them equally, they will no doubt have love for the country, it's basic psychology.

And thank you for proving my point. We don't know who has come when or at what point. If we provide identities for them, along with the sealed and controlled boarder of Pakistan-Afghanistan, we would be able to fish out any new people entering as illegals in the country. Now the reason this is practically possible is because in such a scenario where there welfare is our interest, they will co-operate. However, in a scenario where we want to kick them out, they will hide, they won't co-operate and it will not be possible or practical to make them all leave.

Also, you would be dumbfounded to think that by denying them public services, they will seamlessly simple just leave (although they don't even have the resources to leave), like get up and leave. You would be letting through violence and an anti Pakistan sentiment to be furthered.

Whereas on the other hand, their prosperity and welfare will lead to the welfare of this city and country, be more practical, reduce anti Pakistan sentiment, and will be morally as well as in Islam, the right thing to do too.

 

[Hamza913]

Those are 2017 numbers.

My links provides 2018 numbers.

I highly doubt Bangladesh jumped over 2,000 USD and we remained constant over the period of one year.

 

[Desert Fox]

Respect isn't demanded. Respect is earned.

So we should earn their respect even though they broke into our country?

Interesting logic.

So you would award someone if they broke into your home?

denying them public services, they will seamlessly simple just leave (although they don't even have the resources to leave), like get up and leave. You would be letting through violence and an anti Pakistan sentiment to be furthered.

Sure they will. In China they do it, in Japan they do it, in Korea they do it, in Saudi they do it. All of these countries are prospering.

What you are proposing has never worked.

And yes, they can leave, afterall they came here too.

where there welfare is our interest, they will co-operate.

Thank you for proving my point because they haven't been cooperating with us.

And there is no war in Bangladesh which is economically prospering.

And we have harbored them for more than 35 years and they are still not cooperating.

But you think by giving them a piece of paper that says they are Pakistani they will finally love Pakistan? they will give up claiming KPK as part of Afghanistan because now they have Pakistani citizenship lol

 

[koolio]

It was a great speech by IK, but I strongly disagree with him on giving citizenships to Afghans, they are snakes and cannot be trusted, Pakistan has done more than enough for these ungrateful idiots, they should go back to Afghanistan and rebuild thier forsaken country, but they wont leave since they are getting bread and butter and continue to stab Pakistan in the back, As for Bengalis, they should get citizenship.

 

[Desert Fox]

I highly doubt Bangladesh jumped over 2,000 USD and we remained constant over the period of one year.

Well whatever the case, it doesn't really matter. Bangladesh isn't a war zone like Syria. Do you agree that they should illegally enter our country (after backstabbing us to separate in the first place) and add to the already millions of poor of our own who we need to uplift?

 

[Hamza913]

Do you agree that they should illegally enter our country

Of course not, I agree with you about that.

 

[Lincoln]

So we should earn their respect even though they broke into our country?

Interesting logic.

So you would award someone if they broke into your home?


Sure they will. In China they do it, in Japan they do it, in Korea they do it, in Saudi they do it. All of these countries are prospering.

What you are proposing has never worked.

And yes, they can leave, afterall they came here too.


Thank you for proving my point because they haven't been cooperating with us.

And there is no war in Bangladesh which is economically prospering.

And we have harbored them for more than 35 years and they are still not cooperating.

But you think by giving them a piece of paper that says they are Pakistani they will finally love Pakistan? they will give up claiming KPK as part of Afghanistan because now they have Pakistani citizenship lol

They didn't exactly broke into our countries, they came here as refugees due to the war in Afghanistan. Pakistan allowed it. We promised them shelter, hell we received money from the international community during the war for this very purpose. They have no reason as individuals to hate our country, we have given them one.

Also, your analogy isn't appropriate for this case scenario. You cannot compare your personal home which is your private space to your country, there are huge differences between the two things, both in terms of space and function.

Also, I am going to need citations or evidence for suppression of refugees living within the population in Saudi Arabia, China, Japan and Korea through denial of services to them. As well as the citation on the NUMBER OF REFUGEES which is a key thing here.

They will co-operate if their welfare is in our interests. They won't co-operate if there welfare is not in our interests. We have harbored them how exactly? By simply allowing them into the country? Have you seen their absolute states in this country? They are denied equal opportunities such as equal salary or jobs, are living in poverty and live on the edge of life each day.

And integrating them into society is a step in the right direction. Go read any book on Sociology, Psychology and Human Relations, you will see how much of a role society and identity plays in defining an individuals belief system, relations and outlook. There's a reason why the right groups in West are so bound on wanting the refugees to be assimilated properly.

 

[Nilgiri]

For heaven sake I hope not, I will be absolutely GUTTED if this proposition comes to fruition, these comments will certainly give a lifeline to the appeal of the nearly dead PPP, I hope sensible folk have a quiet word with PM.....If only @Indus Pakistan had the PMs ear.Kudos bro

He would lose major portions of his support base too right?

It makes no sense, not at this juncture anyway. I am reading elsewhere that the provinces of Pakistan still hold much legal authority on the issue anyway....though of course federally they would need backing. If there is conflict on the issue, Pakistan courts will have to be brought in...and use up time and resources there instead of more important issues right now.

Not according to the economist.

Hogwash:

Pakistan is doing better than Bangladesh still in GDP per capita (given PPP matters much more).

What the economist is showing here is nominal per capita which is a severely flawed measure when countries are not trading much with the world and also do not trade in a wide enough composition (to what they produce internally).

Add to that, the standards and credibility are all over the place and jumbled up when it comes to developing countries when it comes to GDP tabulations. For example I have shown in the BD forum just how much BD for example inserts inflation into its GDP figures and passes it off as "real" because of both outdated base year snapshot and not enough high frequency data etc....but politican gain/media prestige through the optics/propaganda.

It is thus often better to use PPP (basically summing all consumption physically in one common standard, bypassing international currency demands) off the bat as a result....or look up hardline input consumptions (like electricity and energy specifically) to get around this. BD for example still consumes less energy per head than Pakistan does in the 60s.

However they are getting things in order regarding investment levels, savings, trade etc....faster than Pakistan is for the last 10 years or so (given what Desert Fox talking about, the defense spending esp on low tax base etc while keeping same corrupt bureaucrats that enjoy status quo). It is really this phenomenon that still has Pakistan economy overall in a vice-lock even though its improving in corruption perception index compared to Bangladesh.

Pakistan needs both quantity and quality reform across the board (esp increase tax collection, decrease govt intervention in economy, cut and improve bureaucracy, improve rule of law and standards enforcement...make Pakistan more fiscally prudent domestically and internationally etc...)....i.e everything and anything that makes Pakistan more solvent and able to pay its own way better (and then over time capture buffers to do genuine investment to grow more)...rather than go for same loan buffets that kick the can (esp given Pakistan Rupee does not have much seigniorage buffer and has to be managed very well).

That is where Imran Khan must focus first rather than making these comments that just churn the same rigmarole and time-waste (and at worst, self defeating policy).

@waz @That Guy @Indus Pakistan @farhan_9909 @Zibago

 

[Thorough Pro]

"dam" that would be made of concrete

Jab se pm bana hai tab se sirf Baatain hi Kar Raha hai .. Isko koi batai pm ka kaam motivational speeches Karna nahi hota..

And did he announce something concrete ?

 

[Desert Fox]

Here we have a situation where we don't even have jobs for millions of Pakistani citizens and you here are advocating giving jobs to people who came recently for economic purposes.

So in addition to the millions of our own who we already are struggling to support you are advocating Pakistan to take care of foreign nationals who already have prosperous countries (Bangladesh).

They didn't exactly broke into our countries, they came here as refugees due to the war in Afghanistan.

So Bangalis are refugees fleeing the war in Afghanistan?

Pakistan allowed it. We promised them shelter, hell we received money from the international community during the war for this very purpose. They have no reason as individuals to hate our country, we have given them one.

Well, we did our part and they decided to support India and terrorism. Looks like playing Mr. Nice guy hasn't worked, now let's play Mr. Not-so-Nice guy.

Bye bye Afghans

Also, your analogy isn't appropriate for this case scenario. You cannot compare your personal home which is your private space to your country, there are huge differences between the two things, both in terms of space and function.

It is, because just as there are criminal trespass laws for homes there are also immigration laws for nations and breaking these laws by illegally entering the home (or country) is a crime.

But maybe you actually allow random strangers to walk into your home and do as they please and you accept them as part of your family, but majority of the world doesn't so that.

Also, I am going to need citations or evidence for suppression of refugees living within the population in Saudi Arabia, China, Japan and Korea through denial of services to them. As well as the citation on the NUMBER OF REFUGEES which is a key thing here.

I'm not going to do your homework for you. You can look up China's IMMIGRATION policy or ask Chinese members themselves If they grant citizenship to illegals or populations that cause terrorism in their country at the expense of native Chinese citizens @ChineseTiger1986

Or better yet google it.

Have you seen their absolute states in this country? They are denied equal opportunities such as equal salary or jobs, are living in poverty and live on the edge of life each day.

Lol so why is their population booming if they are struggling to survive in Pakistan?

There's MILLIONS of them here. If it was so bad they wouldn't come here and propagate (have children)

and Bangladesh isn't a war zone

 

[django]

He would lose major portions of his support base too right?

It makes no sense, not at this juncture anyway. I am reading elsewhere that the provinces of Pakistan still hold much legal authority on the issue anyway....though of course federally they would need backing. If there is conflict on the issue, Pakistan courts will have to be brought in...and use up time and resources there instead of more important issues right now.

Indeed starting with me and many other patriots as for the latter part of your post, patriotic officials will try to slow any potential legislature to snail pace then finger crossed until PM Khan sees sense when his support starts to evaporate in Sindh, our Sindhi bros deserve better than this, these Benglerdeshis do not give two hoots for the land of their own forefathers what makes PM think they will ever give a damn about this place,,,,,,, a real disappointment from PM IK.Kudos bhai