Pre-colonial India embraced homosexuality

[lem34]

don't be a bean-counter, be a brave man, if not gay, or iron lady in english grammar class.

But you could be all three-brave, gay and a bean counter.

Go Gay India

 

[foxbat]

Why do you want to go off topic. Why are you obsessed with Pakistan. This is about comments the Indian govt has made to the SC about various acts.

Go Gay India

Not off topic really.. Pre colonial era, India and Pakistan were one country.. May be that's where the term Pathano wale shauk / nawabon wale shauk came into being

 

[somebozo]

In the pre colonial princely India, engaging in homosex with young boys, paedophelia with young girls often age as young as 11 and rectum sex with hareem girls was considered status symbol. There are many nawabi jokes as well circulating around on the above mentioned themes.

I cant say for all but there are factual evidences that nawabs of Hyderabad state often engaged in suhag rat with girls as young as 11.

 

[lem34]

Because I have had an education and probably a better one than most in the part of the world I dwell in, have had.

Because I can judge when I do things I should not have done.

Like I said, it's got to do with one being a better judge of oneself.

It's a winners thing. You won't understand, my dear.

What has that got to do with Indian govt reclaiming it's heritage and telling the SC of India about these acts??

 

[Nalwa]

Well done mate Go Incredible Gay India-First in cultural diversity

Do you think we can expand this to the whole sub-continent? After all, some Pakistanis would have had far diverse gay experiences as evident in bachabazi in the Pashtun area?

 

[lem34]

In the pre colonial princely India, engaging in homosex with young boys, paedophelia with young girls often age as young as 11 and rectum sex with hareem girls was considered status symbol. There are many nawabi jokes as well circulating around on the above mentioned themes.

I cant say for all but there are factual evidences that nawabs of Hyderabad state often engaged in suhag rat with girls as young as 11.

Really I did not know that

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

In the pre colonial princely India, engaging in homosex with young boys, paedophelia with young girls often age as young as 11 and rectum sex with hareem girls was considered status symbol. There are many nawabi jokes as well circulating around on the above mentioned themes.

I cant say for all but there are factual evidences that nawabs of Hyderabad state often engaged in suhag rat with girls as young as 11.

You do know this one line could turn out to be a tinderbox, mostly for you.

Someone residing in Saudi Arab and following Saudi culture accusing ancient Indians of paedophilia.

Now that is rich, my man!

 

[lem34]

Do you think we can expand this to the whole sub-continent? After all, some Pakistanis would have had far diverse gay experiences as evident in bachabazi in the Pashtun area?

That is off topic. Its about Indian govt going to Indian SC. Back to topic Indians are reclaiming their heritage.

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

But you could be all three-brave, gay and a bean counter.

Go Gay India

Quoted again, for the record.

 

[lem34]

You do know this one line could turn out to be a tinderbox, mostly for you.

Someone residing in Saudi Arab and following Saudi culture accusing ancient Indians of paedophilia.

Now that is rich, my man!



You do know this one line could turn out to be a tinderbox, mostly for you.

Someone residing in Saudi Arab and following Saudi culture accusing ancient Indians of paedophilia.

Now that is rich, my man!

Yaar can you stop going of topic. If you want to talk and associate yourself with Saudis start a new thread.

 

[somebozo]

You do know this one line could turn out to be a tinderbox, mostly for you.

Someone residing in Saudi Arab and following Saudi culture accusing ancient Indians of paedophilia.

Now that is rich, my man!



You do know this one line could turn out to be a tinderbox, mostly for you.

Someone residing in Saudi Arab and following Saudi culture accusing ancient Indians of paedophilia.

Now that is rich, my man!

CaptainJackSh_t you will not be a laughing stock if you have followed my previous post with precise attention. My maternal family were one of the land owning families of Hydrabad state and were also in touch with the Nizam ruling family. Also I am in touch with several decedents of ex-land owning families of Hydrabad in Saudi Arabia. There is a complete social community out there consisting of these people.

Also one of the reason why colonials were so sucessfull in India was that much of the local population either took neutrality of covertly aided the colonials in struggle against unjust nawabs and landlords.

 

[Nalwa]

That is off topic. Its about Indian govt going to Indian SC. Back to topic Indians are reclaiming their heritage.

Not really. That's what you say the topic is. I think its about pre-independence India claiming its heritage back. So Pakistan is included. Plus you guys have the best documented cases of institutionalized cases of homosexuality. So what do the Pashtun areas think about this? Cant Pakistan tourism make a documentary about it and show how its still practiced in Pakistan?

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

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[kawaraj]

But you could be all three-brave, gay and a bean counter.

Go Gay India

that could be a fascinating ad for Goa Tourism Department.

Incredible India, in the shadow line.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I have been concerned that in India it has to some extent become a fashion to follow the white man in particular America etc. One of the things that the west prides itself is gay rights and various other perversions. This article would suggests that Indians were at it all well before Europeans and Americans. In fact it would appear that invaders be they Muslims or Europeans India was emancipated and allowed this kind of behaviour centuries ago. It is only now that the west is catching up. Go Incredible India claim your pre Islamic or pre British way of life culture.

Pre-colonial India embraced homosexuality, Govt tells SC

Friday, 23 March 2012 00:37
PNS | New Delhi


For social and religious groups opposed to gay sex and homosexuality as being anti-Indian and anti-cultural, this piece of news should warrant concern.

Gay sex, oral sex, and group sex were not unheard of in the Indian society prior to 18th century and no guilt was attached to such erotic sexual tendencies, according to the Government.

Stating this before the Supreme Court on Thursday, Attorney General Goolam E Vahanvati packed this detail with proof to strengthen Centre’s stand for supporting the Delhi High Court decision to decriminalise gay sex.

With the Court hearing a bunch of petitions challenging the constitutional validity of IPC Section 377, Vahanvati discussed the socio-cultural setting that existed in India at a time when the Indian Penal Code (IPC) was drafted.

The Attorney General said: “Before the enactment of the IPC, the Indian society had a much greater tolerance for homosexuality than its British counterpart.”

Erotic art sculptures and paintings in temples depicting group sex, oral sex, sex in every conceivable position, buggery and masturbation demonstrated that homosexuals in India “were free to satisfy their fancies”.

In Britain, the act referred to as buggery was punishable with death and for this reason Lord Macaulay, while inserting Section 377 in the IPC, reflected the British moral system that condemned such acts as “deviant and depraved”.

“Introduction of Section 377 in India was not a reflection of existing Indian values and traditions. Rather it was imposition of ‘sexual imperialism’ upon Indian society due to the moral views of the colonisers,” the Attorney General said.

The bench of Justices GS Singhvi and SJ Mukhopadhyay, however, sought more proof from the shastras, Vedas and existing literature of the period to be fully convinced that such acts were not viewed as “aberrations”. On the flip side, the Court wondered if such acts were accepted in the society, what prevented the Government from changing the law to reflect our culture and traditions.

“Why is it that for 62 years, we have not been able to come out of the shadow of British law-making? It has been one of the banes of our system today,” the Bench remarked.

Though English had never been the language of the masses in India, the Court wondered how litigants in rural areas could be aware of their legal rights when the law is written in English.

Suggesting a change in the basic law drafting process, the bench added, “If our law had been simply filed in our own language (and) in the understanding of our own local customs and traditions, of course with a touch of modernity, these problems would not have occurred.” Vahanvati was cautious to add in the end, “We are a conservative society. I should not be seen as advocating a license for such acts.”


Pre-colonial India embraced homosexuality, Govt tells SC

homosexuality has existed in almost every civilization and culture throughout the time. So it shouldn't be dismissed
issues related to homosexuality, polygamy group sex rituals have existed in the past in one way or form and have been practised by the elites and the commoners throughout the ancient times.

I dont see anything odd if its been in the Indian culture too. the way men in south east asia hold hands or kiss and hug might raise eyebrows or few smiles in the Europe but its not strange.


I dont have any problem with whatever the sexual preferences as long as they are not shoved on me


I am not sure if Indian book of love has any references in it but its their choice