Prahaar awaits Army intent; DRDO luring IAF, Navy

[Tshering22]

Prahaar is capable of carrying a variety of warheads like pre-fragmented, incendiary sub-munitions, runway-denial sub-munitions, smart munitions and thermobaric (a fuel-air bomb, which produces a blast wave for longer period) warheads.

I like the sound of it all. BTW, WTF does the article mean Army "intent"? Now what does the corrupt top Army brass want? Russian and Israeli missiles against indigenous ready and proven one already? Why does our Army behave in such a pathetic manner?

IMO, IAF and IN must be given equal power and judicial levels as the Army in defense say. This will curb the bloody ego of corrupt generals on top and get them to open their eyes. This might sound as a jingoism, but we need to station tactical missiles like Prahaar en masse at both our borders. Use the enemy's strategy against them. Mass production will get the unit costs of these missiles to almost nothing, gain efficiency in manufacturing and maybe even export to friendlier countries.

We are not bound by MTCR and therefore it won't be wrong to see these missiles to friendly nations once we can commercialize and ramp up our missile production rate.

If there is something I admire in Chinese is that their capability to see through doing away with unnecessary expenditure on billions worth of military assets; when faced with the same of US or other powers, they just counter it with thousands of missiles that are at least 1/100th the price of say, a cutting-edge aircraft carrier.

 

[Dharmachakra]

If it is Air launched then Prahar will be weighing no more than 700 Kg for the same range and at current weight it will cross 500Km range and also as the source says The missile is highly maneuverable so It will be a great addition into arsenal for IAF

Sorry for barging in,

TEL version of Prahaar is around 1200KG weight.
Which means an air launched one of the same kind+ railing for pylons will add few more KGs.
Even if we consider 1250-1300Kg an MKI can carry 3 with one each under the wing roots and one under the belly.

Its no big deal if they are carrying a 1000Kg dumb bombs and drop tanks.More over it was initially considered for carrying 2 Brahmos .

IF a SSM version gives 150Km range, then DRDO is right in saying that it will give 350+ km in ASM role with no or less modifications for same weight package.

Other than runway denial and surgical strikes, it does work much better as an ARM. Changing the seeker will do the job pretty nicely though a little overwieght compared to other ARMs around the world.But worth the range and speed.

The most advantageous part is, mass-production with 97% commonality when u consider AAD,Prahaar,ASM,ARM or wotsoever.
Producing in 1000`s will bring the costs very down.
And since every component comes from Indian stable, moolah stays in India itself.
For IN, it can make a Good AShM a little brother of Brahmos aka cheap one.

 

[wild_fire1979]

Prahaar will only be able to successfully land a "prahaar" if the fcuking thing flies. Look at what happened to the "quick reaction" prithvi?!?!? It fizzled out on the launcher. I have my doubts about anything made by DODO x-(

 

[Nirvana]

I don't know whether a ballistic missile can be air launched?

Quite possible with it's size and type of Launcher , Some Modification to the Missile by reducing its weight and by fitting suitable launcher to sukhoi this is Possible !!

The U.S During cold war tested ICBM's from their CARGO Planes

 

[ramu]

I like the sound of it all. BTW, WTF does the article mean Army "intent"? Now what does the corrupt top Army brass want? Russian and Israeli missiles against indigenous ready and proven one already? Why does our Army behave in such a pathetic manner?

"intent" here implies the application of a missile (given the specs).

Where they intend to use it and what will be its benefit. A weapon should fir into an existing doctrines or help in carving a new one. Weapons and doctrines both evolve with respect to each other.

 

[Hulk]

I like the sound of it all. BTW, WTF does the article mean Army "intent"? Now what does the corrupt top Army brass want? Russian and Israeli missiles against indigenous ready and proven one already? Why does our Army behave in such a pathetic manner?

Do you have anything to prove the army does not want anything indigenous? I call your post crap.

 

[pmukherjee]

I like the sound of it all. BTW, WTF does the article mean Army "intent"? Now what does the corrupt top Army brass want? Russian and Israeli missiles against indigenous ready and proven one already? Why does our Army behave in such a pathetic manner?

IMO, IAF and IN must be given equal power and judicial levels as the Army in defense say. This will curb the bloody ego of corrupt generals on top and get them to open their eyes. This might sound as a jingoism, but we need to station tactical missiles like Prahaar en masse at both our borders. Use the enemy's strategy against them. Mass production will get the unit costs of these missiles to almost nothing, gain efficiency in manufacturing and maybe even export to friendlier countries.

We are not bound by MTCR and therefore it won't be wrong to see these missiles to friendly nations once we can commercialize and ramp up our missile production rate.

If there is something I admire in Chinese is that their capability to see through doing away with unnecessary expenditure on billions worth of military assets; when faced with the same of US or other powers, they just counter it with thousands of missiles that are at least 1/100th the price of say, a cutting-edge aircraft carrier.

I think it is you who needs to curb your runaway mouth a little.
Why should the Army lap up every thing the DRDO offers? Is the Prahar the outcome of a requirement that was projected by the Army? Or is it a brainwave that the DRDO had and is now busy trying to convince the Army that it needs it. A need is felt for a particular weapon system to fulfill a particular role. The weapon system is developed accordingly. One does not make a weapon and then go to the users saying 'hey I think you should buy this'. Are you aware of the sequence of events which led to the trial of Prahar? It was made out to be a response to Pakistan's Nasr. They made the Nasr to meet a certain requirement, a short range battlefield nuclear tipped deterrent to imaginary Indian invasion under the so called Cold Start strategy. Do we have such requirements? Why do we need an altogether new system which will entail a totally different type of training, organisation and battlefield tactics, and further expenses? The IA already has the Prithvi which can engage targets at reduced ranges of 150 KMs. Why not make the Prithvi more versatile and dependable by giving it a solid motor, maybe cannisterise it to make it a short reaction ballistic missile. Prithvi is certainly far more accurate than the Prahar. There are many factors to be considered. Expecting the IA to start drooling over the Prahar just because the internet warriors here are doing the same is hilarious. The IA will accept the Prahar if it feels that it needs it and that too only after all home work regarding organisation/setup of Prahar units, the tactics involved, training, storage, deployment, budgeting etc are worked out in detail and not before.

 

[Omega007]

I think it is you who needs to curb your runaway mouth a little.
Why should the Army lap up every thing the DRDO offers? Is the Prahar the outcome of a requirement that was projected by the Army? Or is it a brainwave that the DRDO had and is now busy trying to convince the Army that it needs it. A need is felt for a particular weapon system to fulfill a particular role. The weapon system is developed accordingly. One does not make a weapon and then go to the users saying 'hey I think you should buy this'. Are you aware of the sequence of events which led to the trial of Prahar? It was made out to be a response to Pakistan's Nasr. They made the Nasr to meet a certain requirement, a short range battlefield nuclear tipped deterrent to imaginary Indian invasion under the so called Cold Start strategy. Do we have such requirements? Why do we need an altogether new system which will entail a totally different type of training, organisation and battlefield tactics, and further expenses? The IA already has the Prithvi which can engage targets at reduced ranges of 150 KMs. Why not make the Prithvi more versatile and dependable by giving it a solid motor, maybe cannisterise it to make it a short reaction ballistic missile. Prithvi is certainly far more accurate than the Prahar. There are many factors to be considered. Expecting the IA to start drooling over the Prahar just because the internet warriors here are doing the same is hilarious. The IA will accept the Prahar if it feels that it needs it and that too only after all home work regarding organisation/setup of Prahar units, the tactics involved, training, storage, deployment, budgeting etc are worked out in detail and not before.

While I am quite agree with you on certain points but one thing I have to disagree with.The SS150 AKA Prithvi is now an outdated system.It's very much bulky compared to Prahar.Besides,Prahar can be mass produced at much greater numbers than Prithvi missiles due to the much lower cost of Prahar.
And coming to logistic-what logistic??The Prahar can be mounted on the same Tatra trucks of Prithvi in composite canister with little to no maintainance.Actually the present Prithvi is a big logistical burden on IA.Even they want to replace them and you want to keep them!!
Besides,you can only mount a single Prithvi per launch vehicle where as ynu can mount upto 6 prahars per launch vehicle.

 

[Omega007]

cont from above

As per future battle needs our Army needs accurate and concentrated rapid fire support when ever ane where ever it needs.And with 6 rounds/vehicle Prahar NLOS-BSM can fulfil exactly this requirement be it counter battery fire or against enemy Panzer/Mechanised forces,troop concentrations or command centres,ammunition dumps-just name it.But with the bulky Prithvi with just one missile/launch vehicle rapid and concentrated fire support is quite impossible which defeats the idea of deploying an NLOS BSM at the 1st place.And just think for a moment,how many Prithvi you can produce/year and Prahar/year,which is easy for mass deployment,which one has got fewer response time and you will get the answer which one should be the future.
Now coming to training-what training??Both the Prahar and Prithvi is mounted on same Tatra trucks.And the operation procedure of NLOS BSMs are same as our Smerch MBRLs.Infact common sence tells it will be easier to operate the Prahar than Prithvi.
And for last time,Prahar is not developed to counter Nasr/Hatf IX.The development of Prahar began much earlier than first test of Nasr-so how on earth Prahar is designed to counter Nasr??And why do we even need Prahar to counter Nasr when existing Smerch MBRLs can easily do the job??Instead Prahar can be very useful against Pakistani MBRLs.Untill 2011,IA enjoyed considerable edge over PA in terms of rocket artillery but with the induction of Chinse A 100 MBRLs in PA artillery corps,the balance has been shifted in favour of Pakistan and now IA needs the Prahar more than ever.

 

[Kinetic]

Prahaar will only be able to successfully land a "prahaar" if the fcuking thing flies. Look at what happened to the "quick reaction" prithvi?!?!? It fizzled out on the launcher. I have my doubts about anything made by DODO x-(

If you do not know the things, do not reply otherwise it looks ridiculous. Prithvi is a liquid fuel missile while Prahaar is not only solid fueled by smaller and derived from AAD. Two different systems. What is wrong with quick reaction prithvi? what it has to do with Prahaar?

 

[Kinetic]

I think it is you who needs to curb your runaway mouth a little.
Why should the Army lap up every thing the DRDO offers? Is the Prahar the outcome of a requirement that was projected by the Army? Or is it a brainwave that the DRDO had and is now busy trying to convince the Army that it needs it. A need is felt for a particular weapon system to fulfill a particular role. The weapon system is developed accordingly. One does not make a weapon and then go to the users saying 'hey I think you should buy this'. Are you aware of the sequence of events which led to the trial of Prahar? It was made out to be a response to Pakistan's Nasr. They made the Nasr to meet a certain requirement, a short range battlefield nuclear tipped deterrent to imaginary Indian invasion under the so called Cold Start strategy. Do we have such requirements? Why do we need an altogether new system which will entail a totally different type of training, organisation and battlefield tactics, and further expenses? The IA already has the Prithvi which can engage targets at reduced ranges of 150 KMs. Why not make the Prithvi more versatile and dependable by giving it a solid motor, maybe cannisterise it to make it a short reaction ballistic missile. Prithvi is certainly far more accurate than the Prahar. There are many factors to be considered. Expecting the IA to start drooling over the Prahar just because the internet warriors here are doing the same is hilarious. The IA will accept the Prahar if it feels that it needs it and that too only after all home work regarding organisation/setup of Prahar units, the tactics involved, training, storage, deployment, budgeting etc are worked out in detail and not before.

That is because there was a normal need to fill the gap between 90 km Smerch and 300 km Brahmos. So DRDO came with Prahaar which is not only advanced but also fill all the requirements of a medium range tactical missile like Israeli Extra and US ATACMS.

If Prahaar was not there than Indian army would have been buying some foreign missile entirely developed for foreign army requirements, while Prahaar developed by DRDO for IA needs. Now you decide which one is suitable.


Prahaar is a hot cake to win war, IA will grab it even if it normally do not like indigenous systems.

Prithvi is certainly far more accurate than the Prahar.

Prithvi is a ballistic missile while Prahaar is derived from an interceptor which destroy ballistic missiles with hit-to-kill technology.

 

[HANI]

super sukhoi with three missiles ( bhramos + nirbhay + prahaar ) will make the thunder with raad leak... oil .

(this post is intended only 4 fun.. plz dont take it otherways)

don,t worry we knw u can,t resist ur mentality

 

[angeldemon_007]

I think it will be easily selected...

 

[nomi007]

is prahaar is cruise missile

 

[Tshering22]

Do you have anything to prove the army does not want anything indigenous? I call your post crap.

- Constant delay of 155 mm gun production
- Taken 4 years to decide whether to induct Arjun in sufficient numbers or not-- after it was rectified off its mistakes.
- No progress on the development of future indigenous APC development.
- Shoddy supply of expired grains for the soldiers.
- NO concern for developing and inducting of sufficient protective gear for frontline soldiers. No new development seen in FINSAS.
- Not even able to encourage and participate in developing a new generation assault rifle.\

This looks like a pale joke compared to our Navy who has half the budget Army gets out of India's total defence budget.


Want me to highlight more Mr. crap-detector?

Just for your note, more than half of my family serves in military in some or the other capacity.

---------- Post added at 05:26 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:25 PM ----------

is prahaar is cruise missile

Quasi-ballistic missile. Meaning somewhere between cruise and ballistic missile. A niche product.