Poverty in China is a lie: rethinking poverty in China

[he-man]

The poor China has 6,900 USD per GDP. The rich India has 1,200 USD per GDP... if China really has 400million ppl under poverty line, they will richer than the "rich man" in India, don‘t forget to build more toilets in "rich" India as many & good as in "poor" China...lol!

Has any indian challenged u on these figures??
If not then why are u parroting the same thing again and again?

Why not compare urself with the west and see how rich u are?Indians are a poor lot,i admit.

 

[he-man]

Poverty and Poor have various meanings and definitions for various cultures. Are we referring to materialistic definition? A spiritual and religious context? Lastly, poverty is subjective. What is considered 'poor' for one man is considered 'rich' for another.

No,its objective all right.
Seeing it everyday makes me cringe at the statements like u just made,,,not ur fault.U haven't seen the poverty in our parts.

 

[Aepsilons]

You'll never be able to "win" the "what is the definition of poverty" game when compared to other countries.

Look at this for the U.S.:

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Very interesting. I must admit the United States has a bulwark that is the Welfare Program. Certain groups of people in the United States become overly dependent on this system. And there is a culture of acceptance of welfare programs ; its a stark dichotomy of how its seen in Japan. In Japan, anyone that is in these programs see it as a source of shame. In fact, many Japanese who lose their jobs and are forced to go into welfare programs become easily depressed, quite a few commit suicide because of the shame. In the United States, I don't think there is this cultural trait that we see in Japan.

 

[sicsheep]

I think we have to make changes to country side to attract more people, we have enough cities and cities have enough people, we have to make big changes to agriculture and give more incentive to farmers.

 

[bolo]

Poor chinese richer than other poor ppl who lack enough toilets in the country.

poor chinese richer than certain people who talk about acquiring nuclear weapons and taking over the entire mekong region.

 

[TheTruth]

You'll never be able to "win" the "what is the definition of poverty" game when compared to other countries.

Look at this for the U.S.:

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Does that exclude the homeless and prison populations as well as illegals?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Does that exclude the homeless and prison populations as well as illegals?

People in prison are definitely counted. All the homeless and illegals that can be found are counted.

 

[esolve]

What this argument amounts to, if I understand it correctly, is that traditional poverty measures are not suitable for China and tend to overstate poverty in China. Because, if you look at indicators of poverty, poverty in China is certainly not a lie (although the reduction in poverty China has achieved is truly outstanding).

Can you explain why traditional poverty measures are unsuitable for China?

the estimation is based on surveys and sampling
I read a paper on how China estimates the rural income. The survey tasks are distributed to local government and usually local surveyers are not so responsible.
the government ask some local officials to do the survey
basically, these local officials just ask how much the peasants earn per year

peasants may lie so as to get financial support/help from the government
local officials may also lie so that they can make their region as a poor region and get financial support from the central government
the surveyed ppl may be mostly old ppl or disabled ppl who are in the village, but this is a sampling. For example, there are 100 villagers, 70 work in the cities. The survey is done on the remaining 30 ppl. of which 6 are very poor, they investigated 10 of them and found 2 of them are very poor. Then it is 20%. But in reality, it should be 6% .

 

[tonyget]

我认为数据是可信的，现在贫困线以下的人主要是一些山区的留守人员，主要是老人。
山西太行山、四川大凉山存在连片的贫困区，作为一个驴友，这些地方我去过不少，这些地方基本上没有发展经济的条件。
故土难离是很多人的想法，他们宁愿贫困也不愿意离开家乡，还有就是五六十岁的人工厂一般不要的。
说这些人的脱贫任务是硬骨头没错，观念差别太大了。

I don't see any problem with it. Money is not everything, if some people are happy with their current situation, so be it.

 

[Aepsilons]

I don't see any problem with it. Money is not everything, if some people are happy with their current situation, so be it.

Agreed!

 

[cirr]

We are poor。

We need foreign aids。Massive amount of aids。

India，as our largest neighbour by population and a super power in waiting if not already，should extend a helping hand。

Thanks。

 

[Keel]

We are poor。

We need foreign aids。Massive amount of aids。

India，as our largest neighbour by population and a super power in waiting if not already，should extend a helping hand。

Thanks。

We need "Indian aid" NOT "Indian aids".
They have a lot of the latter

 

[BoQ77]

The poor China has 6,900 USD per GDP. The rich India has 1,200 USD per GDP... if China really has 400million ppl under poverty line, they will richer than the "rich man" in India, don‘t forget to build more toilets in "rich" India as many & good as in "poor" China...lol!

poor post, @cnleio !!!

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I add here, in stead of make another post.
why I called that "poor post" ?
1. I understand that is Chinese style to use "poor" China has .... the "rich" India has. Although it should not be used as an argument but showing your feeling.
But your second sentence, "if China really has 400 million ppl under poverty line, they will richer than the "rich man" in INdia"
it continue to be solely insulting other but not any weight on argument.

That attitude is not good in discussion.

When someone identify Chinese people as poor. Chinese members always think that's insulting their nationality and immediately compare to the nation of poster. How fun.
The data never lie, and we don't always intend to downgrade your people. That doesn't help our people get richer.

2. In my post, I only show others that the ADB specialist said there'll be 400 million under 2$/day/person not 400 million under 2,300 yuan/year ( 1.03$/day )
no matter what standard govt used to call their people as poverty.
That figure help us to imagine in overall of Chinese people living condition.
Whether those 400 million could be called as poor or not poor, they are not prosperous for sure.
Face that issue bravely.
We wish the prosperity come to every Chinese people and they would have better living condition

 

[rcrmj]

it brings me to watery eyes every time when i see photos of Chinese kids shouldering heavy burdens
and it makes sad and angry when adults abandon their child or force them to work

there are poor people in China, but we mustn't to let children to suffer poverty!

 

[HariPrasad]

This man has been in China for many years and he is shocked that the poor ppl in China live a better life than poor ppl in other countries.

Indeed, nowadays, if you are not old, disabled or lazy, it is very easy to find a job. Factory jobs are with 500-800 dollars per month while construction, express delivery jobs can even make you earn 1800 dollars per month. The poor ppl in China are usually lazy, old, disabled or orphans

The state council estimated that there are around 80 million ppl in China below poverty line.
In China, there is a Subsistence Security System, which provides lowest subsistence allowance to the poorest people. And the population who receives this lowest subsitence is just about 80 million.


In cities, the allowance is around 60 dollars per month per person while in rural areas, it is about 30 dollars per month per person, in some extreme poor areas, the allowance could be 100 dollars per month. Compared to city ppl, rural villagers have farmland and so they may no need to buy food and thus get less allowances than city ppl. And these ppl ususally get free running water, free electricity as well as free cable TV.

But the income of ppl who receives this allowance is not just this allowance. In my town, I know many ppl who receives this allowance, and they have additional jobs. They may work in a restaurants, supermarket, construction site. If they work in construction sites, they may make 1000 dollars per month but still get the lowest subsistence allowance.

Your cover up has a little credibility against the exposure of a renowned Chinese economist revealing the truth of reality of China. Do not give over stress to your mind and relax. Damage is already done.