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Post supernatural experiences of yours and fallows.

Its all FAKE
Till it happens to you :yes4:

Remember a house mentioned by a relative in Bahria which had serious issues. Among which were sudden(I mean within a minute) swarms of ants that would cover entire rooms making them black.
Another case was of him being on the throne and then the commode shower coming out of its holder and doing a snake dance in front of him.. imagine being stuck with an ongoing exit process and having supernatural help to force it out.
There is a dua which all Muslim are supposed to utter upon entering washrooms.
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You can say washrooms are shaiateens favourite dwelling place.
 
OK guys, here is one more thing. What do you suggest is the difference between magic and illusion? As we all know, there are some very famous illusionists out there, David Copperfield, Chris Angel, showing their tricks on live TV and most of the time, it blows you mind, HOW IS ANY OF THAT POSSIBLE!! What are your views on this matter? Is it real? Is it magic where they get help from Jinns or some other things and make the objects disappear right before your eyes!!

@war&peace @Signalian @PakSword @Verve


@Umair Nawaz not sure if it is deliberate of unintentional but yoour rants are derailing the discussion. No need to provoke other members like this, you think you are acting smart but you really look stupid trying to provoke people like little kids. Please stop this.

@Signalian DO NOT REPLY TO ANY TROLL POSTS PLEASE

Illusionist is something different. creating an illusion doesn't give you powers where as in magic (e.g. black magic) its mostly about powers. Money can be made in both types , illusion and magic. As far as i know, super natural beings do not expose themselves in front of cameras.

Please back up your claims of muwakil and spirits and amaliyaat with proofs from either the life, saying or action of the prophet or our holy book of law. In order to substantiate your claims.
Take it or leave it, i'm not bothered.

WHY?
I mean, why is he attached to human and is there one for every human? Why is he here? Any more details?

@Signalian bro you also respond to the posts i shared a few hours ago, will like to know a bit more about this if possible.
i haven't gone in much detail about concept of humzaad. Its our clone. Once captured, it will do whatever its told to do. It talks, behaves just like we do.
The people who try to capture it for getting their tasks done, then use it for tasks. The people who during any spiritual journey encounter it but dont want to get their tasks done,then send it on a very time consuming tedious useless task so it doesn't come back after sometime and bother them, like stand on the edge of a river and start throwing the water out of the river.
 
Then it isnt really from Islam. As you may already Islam is whatever is reavealed to us from God himself through his prophets and books.

You do realize when you talk about humzaad and muwakils etc u r just mentioning jinn or more specifically shayateen/evil jinn who require humans to do seriously heinous acts in order to gain their favors and then appear to the public to have karamaat or powers and give their shayateen masters the name of muwakil or humzaad to hide who their masters really are.

We saw such things happening with dead infants being found in sewage. Or the more recent case was of Zainab case.
Illusionist is something different. creating an illusion doesn't give you powers where as in magic (e.g. black magic) its mostly about powers. Money can be made in both types , illusion and magic. As far as i know, super natural beings do not expose themselves in front of cameras.


Take it or leave it, i'm not bothered.


i haven't gone in much detail about concept of humzaad. Its our clone. Once captured, it will do whatever its told to do. It talks, behaves just like we do.
The people who try to capture it for getting their tasks done, then use it for tasks. The people who during any spiritual journey encounter it but dont want to get their tasks done,then send it on a very time consuming tedious useless task so it doesn't come back after sometime and bother them, like stand on the edge of a river and start throwing the water out of the river.
 
Someone tell me a supernatural or scary experience - I’m bored
 
Someone tell me a supernatural or scary experience - I’m bored

It's about this "Entity" that When it sleeps with you at night by being itself... But in the Morning, It's someone else.
I'm always scared at that moment... I don't know how it's possible..
 
Once in 2040 I and my dear @war&peace were traveling in a train of Pakistan railways, Sheeda Tali of LAL Hawily was then minister of railways, all of sudden train start flying and then we went under water. My very dear @war&peace told me that we were under burmuda rectangle. At other end of Burmuda rectangle there was some kind of hexagon, uncle @MastanKhan was flying his JH-7b in that hexagon. We weaved but started firing BVR arrows at us.
Then after noon we landed at top of Himalaya mountain. There was a beautiful wedding ceremony going on and my friend from Bayzentine Empire @undertakerwwefan was also there. Minister Sheeda Talli was undergoing process of forced marriage with a shemale supernatural jinn
 
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The ones you mentioned are different. for example, hamzaad can be referred as anyone's clone or a powerful spiritual being of own self. It sometimes shows itself in the form of a shadow.

This other noori being, moakil, which i mentioned is related to chilla done by someone. Like amil's do chilla, e.g standing in water for 40 nights and reciting certain surah or ayat xyz number of times. So after 40 nights, what do they achieve? That surah or ayat has moakils attached with it and they have a head moakil, a leader. That Amil has to undertake the submission of the head moakil to get control of all other moakils. Reciting that ayat or surah is their diet. The more he recites, the more they come closer to him and stay near him and become stronger. After 40 nights, he follows a certain amal or properly gives a khatam with 2 nafal and dua and gets control of the moakils. The next day he advertises his add as, mehboob aap k kadmon mein, and his shop starts doing business and he gets work done through these beings. That's one way of looking at these creatures.

Then there are cases who recite a certain surah everyday like surah yasin and make it a habit in the form of the chilla. After a few weeks or months or years, they may feel heavy headed or start having certain pain in knees etc or even feel someone is following them while they walk or someone is inside the room but there is no one there. Due to excessive repetition of same surah, they do make these creatures come close and get stronger but dont have the knowledge how to control such creatures. This is why its best to recite Koran from start and end at last and repeat same process as much time as possible.

When an amil tells a client to recite something in repetition, he already has done chilla of that surah and knows how to control and make use of moakils, so no issue arises here. What most greedy amils do is that, they take hold one moakil and then make him a slave for life and then start getting work from him.

I think own spirit and connection should be strong enough to do everything though in spiritual life its common to across many types of spiritual creatures never heard or seen before.


Nai i dont, thank you :-) i am not interested, what i know about them is enough for me. My interest is Ishq and spirit, not spiritual creatures.
are you guys sure its an Islamic Concept ( highlighted part) ? Its a copy of Tantrik Rituals !
 
my experience :
in year 2009 i moved to Bangalore and was staying with friends.
The day as sat or Sunday and after lunch i was simply lying on my bed alone in the house . My roommates were not in house at that time.

So there i was lying on my bed and listening to music eyes closed but fully awake. Not sleeping.
Suddenly i felt that i am at my ancestral home. The feeling was swift and sudden i could not find any thing unnatural ( like how i reached by ancestral home in my home town 2500 km from Bangalore .. so suddenly!)
I tied to open my eyes and could do so only after great difficulty then only i could only see the ceiling in a fix stare . I tried to move my body and get up but could not ! As if my will power is lost.

so i was simply lying on bed motionless with open eyes but not sure it was really open on not. I was not even able to speak. Simply i had no desire to do any thing at all but to keep idle in my bed.

One striking feeling was that i was feeling much younger. As if i was in my teenage days. I cant describe how but it was the like some bygone days and i as lying on bed after coming back from school.

The only sense working fine was my ear ! I was able to listen properly. I could hear the usual sound of an Indian house ..my house. TV, sound of food preparation, pressure cooker whistle, children playing, shouting, traffic and rush outside. Everything was so natural.

And no i was not dreaming .. some where in the back of mind something was telling that these things are not real . But i had no will power left to pay attention . i was idle and motion less just listening to everything.
my mom talking to some other lady in next room. food was prepared. Then i had heard the knocking on gate and my father entered house. i could not even move my head to see him but it was same familiar sound of his foot step. i can hear it clearly. He put his bag down in living room sat on chair asked mom for water and after few mins heard his foot step towards his room. It was same routine he was following since last 20 yrs !!! nothing un natural , nothing usual except the feeble nudge at the back of my head.
Then i heard him enter my room and then exiting. I could not see where he saw me there or not !!

i was in the same position for few more minutes and then everything was gone as suddenly as it came.
The change was so swift that i was unable to understand for almost next 5 min where the hell i was !!
first thing came to my mind is that i m dead so i pinched my self hard and some how managed to reach wash basin and pour mugs of water on my head and face. Then kicked open the main door and rushed into main street.

It took me full 10 min to calm down and realize my true position. Immediately i called my parent to find if everything was alright there. Thankfully it was all fine back at home.

Later i discussed the same with a psychotherapist friend and he told me that it may be a Lucid dream.

God knows what it was but it still give me uneasy minutes everything i think of it.

I have another experience which is 100 times more scarier but way too graphic and has many religious angles which i dont think will be appropriate here.

@Signalian @Oscar @HannibalBarca @Ahmet Pasha
 
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my experience :
in year 2009 i moved to Bangalore and was staying with friends.
The day as sat or Sunday and after lunch i was simply lying on my bed alone in the house . My roommates were not in house at that time.

So there i was lying on my bed and listening to music eyes closed but fully awake. Not sleeping.
Suddenly i felt that i am at my ancestral home. The feeling was swift and sudden i could not find any thing unnatural ( like how i reached by ancestral home in my home town 2500 km from Bangalore .. so suddenly!)
I tied to open my eyes and could do so only after great difficulty then only i could only see the ceiling in a fix stare . I tried to move my body and get up but could not ! As if my will power is lost.

so i was simply lying on bed motionless with open eyes but not sure it was really open on not. I was not even able to speak. Simply i had no desire to do any thing at all but to keep idle in my bed.

One striking feeling was that i was feeling much younger. As if i was in my teenage days. I cant describe how but it was the like some bygone days and i as lying on bed after coming back from school.

The only sense working fine was my ear ! I was able to listen properly. I could hear the usual sound of an Indian house ..my house. TV, sound of food preparation, pressure cooker whistle, children playing, shouting, traffic and rush outside. Everything was so natural.

And no i was not dreaming .. some where in the back of mind something was telling that these things are not real . But i had no will power left to pay attention . i was idle and motion less just listening to everything.
my mom talking to some other lady in next room. food was prepared. Then i had heard the knocking on gate and my father entered house. i could not even move my head to see him but it was same familiar sound of his foot step. i can hear it clearly. He put his bag down in living room sat on chair asked mom for water and after few mins heard his foot step towards his room. It was same routine he was following since last 20 yrs !!! nothing un natural , nothing usual except the feeble nudge at the back of my head.
Then i heard him enter my room and then exiting. I could not see where he saw me there or not !!

i was in the same position for few more minutes and then everything was gone as suddenly as it came.
The change was so swift that i was unable to understand for almost next 5 min where the hell i was !!
first thing came to my mind is that i m dead so i pinched my self hard and some how managed to reach wash basin and pour mugs of water on my head and face. Then kicked open the main door and rushed into main street.

It took me full 10 min to calm down and realize my true position. Immediately i called my parent to find if everything was alright there. Thankfully it was all fine back at home.

Later i discussed the same with a psychotherapist friend and he told me that it may be a Lucid dream.

God knows what it was but it still give me uneasy minutes everything i think of it.

I have another experience which is 100 times more scarier but way too graphic and has many religious angles which i dont think will be appropriate here.

@Signalian @Oscar @HannibalBarca @Ahmet Pasha
interesting ....
 
my experience :
in year 2009 i moved to Bangalore and was staying with friends.
The day as sat or Sunday and after lunch i was simply lying on my bed alone in the house . My roommates were not in house at that time.

So there i was lying on my bed and listening to music eyes closed but fully awake. Not sleeping.
Suddenly i felt that i am at my ancestral home. The feeling was swift and sudden i could not find any thing unnatural ( like how i reached by ancestral home in my home town 2500 km from Bangalore .. so suddenly!)
I tied to open my eyes and could do so only after great difficulty then only i could only see the ceiling in a fix stare . I tried to move my body and get up but could not ! As if my will power is lost.

so i was simply lying on bed motionless with open eyes but not sure it was really open on not. I was not even able to speak. Simply i had no desire to do any thing at all but to keep idle in my bed.

One striking feeling was that i was feeling much younger. As if i was in my teenage days. I cant describe how but it was the like some bygone days and i as lying on bed after coming back from school.

The only sense working fine was my ear ! I was able to listen properly. I could hear the usual sound of an Indian house ..my house. TV, sound of food preparation, pressure cooker whistle, children playing, shouting, traffic and rush outside. Everything was so natural.

And no i was not dreaming .. some where in the back of mind something was telling that these things are not real . But i had no will power left to pay attention . i was idle and motion less just listening to everything.
my mom talking to some other lady in next room. food was prepared. Then i had heard the knocking on gate and my father entered house. i could not even move my head to see him but it was same familiar sound of his foot step. i can hear it clearly. He put his bag down in living room sat on chair asked mom for water and after few mins heard his foot step towards his room. It was same routine he was following since last 20 yrs !!! nothing un natural , nothing usual except the feeble nudge at the back of my head.
Then i heard him enter my room and then exiting. I could not see where he saw me there or not !!

i was in the same position for few more minutes and then everything was gone as suddenly as it came.
The change was so swift that i was unable to understand for almost next 5 min where the hell i was !!
first thing came to my mind is that i m dead so i pinched my self hard and some how managed to reach wash basin and pour mugs of water on my head and face. Then kicked open the main door and rushed into main street.

It took me full 10 min to calm down and realize my true position. Immediately i called my parent to find if everything was alright there. Thankfully it was all fine back at home.

Later i discussed the same with a psychotherapist friend and he told me that it may be a Lucid dream.

God knows what it was but it still give me uneasy minutes everything i think of it.

I have another experience which is 100 times more scarier but way too graphic and has many religious angles which i dont think will be appropriate here.

@Signalian @Oscar @HannibalBarca @Ahmet Pasha
Being motion less and freezing up encounters have become quite common
 
Being motion less and freezing up encounters have become quite common
my experience :
in year 2009 i moved to Bangalore and was staying with friends.
The day as sat or Sunday and after lunch i was simply lying on my bed alone in the house . My roommates were not in house at that time.

So there i was lying on my bed and listening to music eyes closed but fully awake. Not sleeping.
Suddenly i felt that i am at my ancestral home. The feeling was swift and sudden i could not find any thing unnatural ( like how i reached by ancestral home in my home town 2500 km from Bangalore .. so suddenly!)
I tied to open my eyes and could do so only after great difficulty then only i could only see the ceiling in a fix stare . I tried to move my body and get up but could not ! As if my will power is lost.

so i was simply lying on bed motionless with open eyes but not sure it was really open on not. I was not even able to speak. Simply i had no desire to do any thing at all but to keep idle in my bed.

One striking feeling was that i was feeling much younger. As if i was in my teenage days. I cant describe how but it was the like some bygone days and i as lying on bed after coming back from school.

The only sense working fine was my ear ! I was able to listen properly. I could hear the usual sound of an Indian house ..my house. TV, sound of food preparation, pressure cooker whistle, children playing, shouting, traffic and rush outside. Everything was so natural.

And no i was not dreaming .. some where in the back of mind something was telling that these things are not real . But i had no will power left to pay attention . i was idle and motion less just listening to everything.
my mom talking to some other lady in next room. food was prepared. Then i had heard the knocking on gate and my father entered house. i could not even move my head to see him but it was same familiar sound of his foot step. i can hear it clearly. He put his bag down in living room sat on chair asked mom for water and after few mins heard his foot step towards his room. It was same routine he was following since last 20 yrs !!! nothing un natural , nothing usual except the feeble nudge at the back of my head.
Then i heard him enter my room and then exiting. I could not see where he saw me there or not !!

i was in the same position for few more minutes and then everything was gone as suddenly as it came.
The change was so swift that i was unable to understand for almost next 5 min where the hell i was !!
first thing came to my mind is that i m dead so i pinched my self hard and some how managed to reach wash basin and pour mugs of water on my head and face. Then kicked open the main door and rushed into main street.

It took me full 10 min to calm down and realize my true position. Immediately i called my parent to find if everything was alright there. Thankfully it was all fine back at home.

Later i discussed the same with a psychotherapist friend and he told me that it may be a Lucid dream.

God knows what it was but it still give me uneasy minutes everything i think of it.

I have another experience which is 100 times more scarier but way too graphic and has many religious angles which i dont think will be appropriate here.

@Signalian @Oscar @HannibalBarca @Ahmet Pasha
Nothing to be afraid of
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/sleep-paralysis/
 
are you guys sure its an Islamic Concept ( highlighted part) ? Its a copy of Tantrik Rituals !
i dont know about tantrik rituals.

There are people sitting in the market who use the method to attain powers through these spiritual creatures, moakils. They will boast they have captured some moakil who does everything for them. I just explained the process how its captured. There maybe other methods too.

In Pakistan or maybe elsewhere too, some people especially ladies recite a certain surah (e.g. surah yasin) everyday of their life. Then they might feel pain or heaviness in shoulders, joints, knees etc. Some start feeling presence or feel somebody walking behind them. Its usually these guys, moakils, coming and asking that recitation has been carried over and over again everyday for a long period of time so what task is required of them now.

Then it isnt really from Islam. As you may already Islam is whatever is reavealed to us from God himself through his prophets and books.

You do realize when you talk about humzaad and muwakils etc u r just mentioning jinn or more specifically shayateen/evil jinn who require humans to do seriously heinous acts in order to gain their favors and then appear to the public to have karamaat or powers and give their shayateen masters the name of muwakil or humzaad to hide who their masters really are.

We saw such things happening with dead infants being found in sewage. Or the more recent case was of Zainab case.
I'm discussing super natural stuff, not Islam. I am not preaching religion and I am certainly not going to discuss religion.

For you, humzaad and moakils maybe jinns, for me they are different beings. Both very different in every aspect, except one aspect, that normal eye cannot see them generally.

I am aware that jinns are used for henious acts and even to make satan happy for gaining powers and infants are used, not a subject of my interest. I did not read about Zainab murder from this point of view, except from a criminal view.
 
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