Possible War with India

[Imran Khan]

LMAO, WHAT. Is that what they feed you through BJP Propaganda machines, hahaha.

yeah sure we fight with swords and arrows we are living in the 5th century
where is my horse and spear?

bhai log inka to waki dimagh kharab ho chuka hai . its really wired they think we are defenseless on other hand we spend every year billions on forces . what Indian media is feeding them ? its first time in my 11 years on this forum i read some Indians think we have only guns to fight with them they never read Pakistan military industry ?

 

[Hamza913]

Just to refresh you Babar the Moghul was from Ferhgana, modern day Uzbekistan.

Just to refresh your memory, Babur's army had plenty of people from Pakistan:

https://firdosh101.blogspot.com/2009/05/history-of-gakhars.html

http://www.barmazid.com/2016/05/baburs-relations-with-pashtun-tribes.html

Also, do you know where the descendants of the Mughal Empire are? I'll give you a hint, it's not Uzbekistan.

 

[LeGenD]

yeah sure we fight with swords and arrows we are living in the 5th century
where is my horse and spear?

Same thoughts here, brah.

I was like WTF.

 

[Imran Khan]

Same thoughts here, brah.

I was like WTF.

and he is member of a Pakistani defense forum think about common Indians those whom have access to info via TV only what they though about us .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Just to refresh your memory, Babur's army had plenty of people from Pakistan:

https://firdosh101.blogspot.com/2009/05/history-of-gakhars.html

http://www.barmazid.com/2016/05/baburs-relations-with-pashtun-tribes.html

Also, do you know where the descendants of the Mughal Empire are? I'll give you a hint, it's not Uzbekistan.

Yes, I am aware. I was talking about Babar. I was taking a dig at what I have observed. A low caste convert who adopts the surname "Moghul" does not mean they can get delusions of grandeur.

 

[gangsta_rap]

It won't escalate to that extant

 

[Hamza913]

A low caste convert who adopts the surname "Moghul" does not mean they can get delusions of grandeur.

Any evidence that they're all low cast converts?

 

[Baghial]

and he is member of a Pakistani defense forum think about common Indians those whom have access to info via TV only what they though about us .

people generally like to bring up the past .
when your present and future appears to be better then theirs.

 

[padamchen]

I'm not much aware of this. All I know is that some of Saddam's Iraqi generals joined ISIS. So I also don't get your point of the methodology adopted by Pak army to prepare itself.

Unlike Indian generals who fade away into civilian life after retirement, PakisyaPa generals never really retire.

They own the country. They run the country. And they run industry.

Most of the better heeled ones would have properties in the UK. The not so better heeled ones would have made the relevant connections in Arab countries.

When the shit hits the fan, they will all disappear.

And like Musharraf, come on to the lecture circuit after the dust has settled and talk tough.

And make us laugh for free.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Imran Khan]

So you were living in a cave for a while?

Pakistan have satellites (for communications), Tanks (including Russian T-90 class Al-Khalid series), Jets (including F-16 Block 52+), SAM systems, Radar systems, ATGM and Naval warships (armed with cruise missiles).

Infact, much of Pakistan is under radar coverage. We have shot down Iranian and Indian drones on a moment's notice in case you didn't knew.

Shall I post pictures?

Pakistan have one of the finest armies in the world, make no mistake.

TOP of it pakistan produce almost 100000 barrel oil now . even we are not worry about oil supply now as our 44% of usage oil come from our local oil wells . its not 1971 we have Karachi ship yard to repair ships in war . we have 22 ammo factories from POF . we have local aircraft manufacturing capability . dozens of companies making drones and other arms .heavy industries taxila producing tanks APCS and other heavy arms . so i see we will not needed even supply while in war from out of pakistan

 

[Hamza913]

May be some in Pakistan are of Uzbek descendants, you never know

Funny you should mention that:

Although not necessarily Uzbek, Muslims from Pakistan and Hindustan also have ancestry from the (foreign) Muslim conquerors:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"The study showed that the Muslim Gujjars differ significantly from their counterpart, the Hindu Gujjars"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pub...

"we observed a certain degree of genetic contribution from Iran to both Muslim populations"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859343/

“The correlation between the admixture contributions from Arabia and Iran is positive, with significant correlation coefficient values”

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Any evidence that they're all low cast converts?

Not all. Many of not most. I can't very well do DNA checks on random people you meet. When somebody looks like a typical Dalit or Bengali I can conclude they don't have Moghul ancestry - if they do it is so watered down by admixture that it means nothing. It's like many of those so called Jews in Poland who settled in Palestine. They might have had one drop of Jew but thousand drops of European - making them Europeans but they still insist on expanding on that one drop.

 

[Baghial]

Unlike Indian generals who fade away into civilian life after retirement, PakisyaPa generals never really retire.

They own the country. They run the country. And they run industry.

Most of the better heeled ones would have properties in the UK. The not so better heeled ones would have made the relevant connections in Arab countries.

When the shit hits the fan, they will all disappear.

And like Musharraf, come on to the lecture circuit after the dust has settled and talk tough.

And make us laugh for free.

Cheers, Doc

people generally like to bring up the past .
when your present and future appears to be better then theirs.

 

[Vijyes Yechury]

US have smoked 3 countries in total and ruined millions of lives since. They even assassinated hundreds inside Pakistan. Not sure if you were living in a cave for a while.

Unfortunately for you, India cannot project power like US.

USA did nothing to master minds of KSA and only attacked soft targets. Don't forget that USA did not hit real culprits. Also, USA war on Afghanistan has been a lost cause, not victory. So, USA did not get much either. India does not do such mistakes

are you plain stupid ? pakistan have
Pakistan send two satellites just 2 months ago
Pakistan have some 2,182 tanks leave alone wheeled artillery which is also more in numbers then Indians
Pakistan have more artillery then India have go check again
Pakistan have some 8189 TOW ATGM missiles from USA and more then 10000 locally made bakter shiken ATGM
Pakistan have total 521 fighter aircraft total aircraft are some 1281 PAF
nor India nor Pakistan have any reliable BM system in service
Pakistani radar coverage and AWACS coverage is more then India Pakistan have total 7 TPS-77 radars go check 350km circle we need only three not 7
Pakistan have more AWACS in service then India have 5 active AWACS
we are armed more then our requirement you are living in lala land that we will fight with guns . at least read global firepower before claiming such ridiculous claims you are talking about 17th strongest force on earth 7th nuclear and missile power on earth and 7th largest standing army on earth kid
https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=pakistan

Artillery will have only 40km range. These are primitive WW2 guns and even India has them.

AEWACS are not offensive weapons and are also easy to be shot down.

So you were living in a cave for a while?

Pakistan have satellites (for communications), Tanks (including Russian T-90 class Al-Khalid series), Jets (including F-16 Block 52+), SAM systems, Radar systems, ATGM and Naval warships (armed with cruise missiles).

Infact, much of Pakistsn is under radar coverage. We have shot down Iranian and Indian drones on a moment's notice in case you didn't knew.

Shall I post pictures?

Pakistani satellites are limited in number and don't have ability to launch more of them. Just few satellites will not change much. More satellites with indigenous technology is needed.

Pakistan has limited SAM from China and not enough to cover full airspace. India has Akash SAM which can cover entire border airspace.

India makes Su30 in India whereas Pakistan imports the F16 which gives disadvantage to Pakistan. Spare parts are hard to come in wars.

Tanks of Pakistan is also imported and Pakistan does not have spare parts or repair ability. In war, equipments get damaged quickly and need repairs almost every day.

Pakistan has no radars which are powerful enough. Older generation radar which are less accurate exists.

Pakistan has only short range ballistic missile whereas longer range ones have regularly failed in it mission. Pakistan 2 stage missiles have serious problems like these:

The stage separation does not happen properly but the first stage is still burning when it separates.

Pakistani warships are pathetic and have no air defence at all. They just have basic Chinese aSh missile and nothing more. Indian ships have advanced radars and air defence.

India has nuclear submarines too

 

[Hamza913]

Not all. Many of not most.

Then I'll rephrase that question, do you have proof that many of them are low caste converts?

When somebody looks like a typical Dalit or Bengali I can conclude they don't have Moghul ancestry - if they do it is so watered down by admixture that it means nothing. It's like many of those so called Jews in Poland who settled in Palestine. They might have had one drop of Jew but thousand drops of European - making them Europeans but they still insist on expanding on that one drop.

As you said, the ancestry can be watered down. I'm also yet to meet any Pakistanis who claim foreign ancestry and have looks completely atypical to people belonging to said ethnicity.