Possible War with India

[prashantazazel]

Have you No honor?

Well, I had to respond.

 

[kalakaar]

Today only 7 Pak Fauj soldiers are downed by some proxy militants from Afghanistan and Pakistanis talking big. Huh! They can't control their own proxies which keeps them hitting back, and they want to engage India. Heights of Stupidity and chest thumping. Indians don't have time to engage with Pakistan and their useless issues.

 

[padamchen]

Is there anything else to say Mr Strategist :-/ Thank god, Modi and Ur chief Think otherwise u r talking of war as if Pakistan is going to welcome ur forces with Phajy k Paay as their Breakfast its going to be a loose loose contest, Nobody is going to win , IF GOD FORBID, it ever Happens

Lose.

Loose means dheela.

Cheers, Doc

 

[kalakaar]

Oh yeah... all keyboard warriors are ready with chips and coke... and here starts the war...

Pakistani : Nuke
Indian : Nuke

Pakistani : Nuke
Indian : Nuke

Pakistani : Nuke
Indian : Nuke

.... n times...

Until four keys on keyboard stop working...

1.N
2.U
3.K
4.E

Good Night and have Sweet dreams...

Who is scared from their fuss bum nuke? Let them bring it on. I challenge you they will not launch it because they know that India will wipe out the whole Pak and their Hujoom of Islamic world.

Inke sath ink ummah bhi lapetenge Indians!!

 

[LeGenD]

USA did nothing to master minds of KSA and only attacked soft targets. Don't forget that USA did not hit real culprits. Also, USA war on Afghanistan has been a lost cause, not victory. So, USA did not get much either. India does not do such mistakes

You seriously believe in the nonsense of KSA being the mastermind of 9/11 attacks? Even Russia wouldn't go that far.

KSA have billions of dollars worth of investment in US, and deals with American companies. Saudi would never jeopardize their economic and industrial practices with foolish acts, and risk their ruin in turn.

FYI: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10576100802670803

9/11 was the work of non-state actors in the shape of Al-Qaeda Network which grew too powerful over time but employed subtle 'spy agency like' methods to achieve its aims. This was a new kind of threat.

Al-Qaeda Network had its largest footprint in Afghanistan and wasn't a one-man show. US had no choice but to invade Afghanistan in order to defeat Al-Qaeda Network. This wasn't an easy task because Al-Qaeda operatives did not wear uniforms and had ample knowledge of local customs and 'retreat points' across Afghanistan and even Pakistan. Afghan Taliban (and some Pakistani) treated them as guests on top, and complicated search for Al-Qaeda operatives. To give you an idea, finding Osama Bin Laden was like searching for a needle in a hay-stack because he had cut himself from modern lines of communications and moved from one place to another with assistance of his Pakistani companions in order to avoid detection. This is why this war dragged on for so long but US accomplished its major objective by 2011, killing and capturing hundreds in the process. Pakistan Army also played its part in hunt for Al-Qaeda operatives within Pakistan (credit where due).

As for Afghan Taliban, it is an Afghani religio-political force with strong roots in Southern parts of the country (refer to you the book of Mullah Zaeef - My Life with the Taliban - to learn about Afghan Taliban). In order to counter this movement, US established a new Afghan regime which control half of the country at present. Afghan Taliban is no longer in the position to dominate Afghanistan much like in the 1990s and has to come to terms with this new reality with a "political settlement."

Do keep in mind that Afghan Taliban have lost an entire generation of its combatants and original leadership in this war by now. Their tenacity notwithstanding, they are human beings with families but have simple lives and mindset. This is why they are very hard to break, and they do not have much to loose anyway.

Some people misreading American war-effort in Afghanistan. Also keep in mind the treasuretrove of experience US have gained from its exploits in Afghanistan since 2001. US will leave Afghanistan on its terms, until much of Afghan Taliban shake hands with the new Afghan regime and rogue elements are dealt with. So far Afghan Taliban have assured US (via communications) that they will not support another Al-Qaeda Network and similar forces such as ISIS-K. Looks like message driven across.

Another reality is that Afghanistan is a landlocked country and does not have access to an ocean. Due to this factor, US cannot influence Afghanistan in similar manner as Iraq. Therefore, small footprint in Afghanistan accordingly (~16000 troops and support staff in total). And even this level of strength have greater psychological impact in the region than entire India (lol).

Anyways, this discussion is not about US and Afghanistan but India and Pakistan. Stick to topic at hand, please.

Pakistani satellites are limited in number and don't have ability to launch more of them. Just few satellites will not change much. More satellites with indigenous technology is needed.

Pakistan has limited SAM from China and not enough to cover full airspace. India has Akash SAM which can cover entire border airspace.

India makes Su30 in India whereas Pakistan imports the F16 which gives disadvantage to Pakistan. Spare parts are hard to come in wars.

Tanks of Pakistan is also imported and Pakistan does not have spare parts or repair ability. In war, equipments get damaged quickly and need repairs almost every day.

Pakistan has no radars which are powerful enough. Older generation radar which are less accurate exists.

Pakistan has only short range ballistic missile whereas longer range ones have regularly failed in it mission. Pakistan 2 stage missiles have serious problems like these:

The stage separation does not happen properly but the first stage is still burning when it separates.

Pakistani warships are pathetic and have no air defence at all. They just have basic Chinese aSh missile and nothing more. Indian ships have advanced radars and air defence.

India has nuclear submarines too

India certainly have upperhand in the conventional aspects of warfare over Pakistan but my country have sufficient defenses to make an all-out war costly for India. This was the objective, always.

Pakistan have installed a large number of radar systems across its terrain to provide both live and early warning coverage of potential intrusions (a layer of C4ISR network) and PAF takes responsibility of intercepts accordingly (2nd layer of C4ISR network with AEW&C assets and additional stuff). As I pointed out to you earlier, PAF have shot down Indian and even an Iranian drone which intruded into Pakistani airspace on short notice from time to time. PAF have also intercepted IAF aircraft in nightime conditions over urban zones, and this should tell you something. Idea is to compensate shortcomings in SAM coverage on the ground with mobility in the air. Pakistan have some long-range surveillance radar systems in its inventory such as AN/TPY-77 and these are not easy to jam.

Pakistan also have some advanced SAM systems in its inventory to protect key installations such as LY-80, Spada-2000, FM-90 (Crotele derivative) and HQ-16, besides usual AA guns and MANPADS. However, India has to get through PAF first.

PAF in its current form, is in much better position than it was in the days of Kargil War. PAF now operate up to 70 F-16 aircraft in total with MLU for older A/B types and 18 x new C/D types with ample spare parts. PAF is replacing the remainder with JF-17 Thunder variants which are close to F-16 series in capabilities, and with ample spare parts. FYI: http://www.pac.org.pk/jf-17

Pakistan have Main Battle Tank (and relevant spare parts) manufacturing capabilities since 1992: http://www.hit.gov.pk/defence-tab.php

China and Ukraine ensure supply of certain parts for use in Tanks and Jets to Pakistan which are not domestically manufactured.

In the context of ballistic missiles, Pakistan is producing TBM, SRBM and MRBM and have even acquired limited MiRV capability (i.e. Ababeel prototype) by now. These ballistic missiles have mainly strategic applications and can get the job done (i.e. deliver nuclear payload to desired locations).

Pakistani MRBM capability have advanced over the course of years (from liquid-fueled Ghauri series to solid-fueled Shaheen series, and we currently stand at Shaheen-III with 2750 KM range). These are good enough for our needs, for now.

Indian BMDS capability is certainly a threat, therefore we are diversifying our strike options with cruise missiles, and experimenting with MiRV capability (thanks in part to China).

India have noticeable advantage in naval front (admittedly) but PN is equipping its vessels with LACM (Harba) and ASCM (C-802) and this arsenal posit serious threat to potential targets (naval and surface). Pakistan is also installing ASCM (Zarb) near its shores to counter the prospects of blockade from IN vessels. PAF also have standoff munition (Ra'ad), and can complement PN in the matters of defense (if necessary).

Weapons aside, Pakistani troops are tough, motivated and capable on average. Many troops are battle-hardened by now due to exposure to War On Terror. Same is true for PAF.

 

[El Sidd]

Today only 7 Pak Fauj soldiers are downed by some proxy militants from Afghanistan and Pakistanis talking big. Huh! They can't control their own proxies which keeps them hitting back, and they want to engage India. Heights of Stupidity and chest thumping. Indians don't have time to engage with Pakistan and their useless issues.

Cheering on terrorism for Brownie points is hardly worth discussing.

Territorial disputes are not useless issues

Who is scared from their fuss bum nuke? Let them bring it on. I challenge you they will not launch it because they know that India will wipe out the whole Pak and their Hujoom of Islamic world.

Inke sath ink ummah bhi lapetenge Indians!!

I can understand your bollywoodistic View of nuclear warfare...

 

[kalakaar]

Cheering on terrorism for Brownie points is hardly worth discussing.

Territorial disputes are not useless issues

Of course anything related to Pakistan on Kashmir is a useless issue. India shouldn't waste much time engaging with Pak. Pakistan also have people who need freedom or are hurt and they are blowing your soldiers simple. They are your created only.

I can understand your bollywoodistic View of nuclear warfare...

Talk whatever India is ready to blow your whole ummah if you even press the trigger and start nuclear war with India.

 

[El Sidd]

Of course anything related to Pakistan on Kashmir is a useless issue. India shouldn't waste much time engaging with Pak. Pakistan also have people who need freedom or are hurt and they are blowing your soldiers simple. They are your created only.

If you believe kashmir to only be Pakistan issue. Do declare it as such.

It remains a bilateral issue. A bone of contention between 3 nuclear powers.

It is quite egoistic to ignore that. 1962 happened exactly Thats why

Talk whatever India is ready to blow your whole ummah if you even press the trigger.

You can barely feed your own troop and hardly meet operational demands for Defence let alone offense.

But most welcome to try it

 

[kalakaar]

You can barely feed your own troop and hardly meet operational demands for Defence let alone offense.

But most welcome to try it

You make one bad decision and this will happen. Your mistake will bring hell on a lot of people.

If you believe kashmir to only be Pakistan issue. Do declare it as such.

It remains a bilateral issue. A bone of contention between 3 nuclear powers.

It is quite egoistic to ignore that. 1962 happened exactly Thats why

Kashmir is India's and India is ready for war to take it back. You want it , fight! Who is stopping you? Come fight.. India is not even talking to you.
Fools!

 

[El Sidd]

You make one bad decision and this will happen. Your mistake will bring hell on a lot of people.

We shall see what history will write

Kashmir is India's and India is ready for war to take it back. You want it , fight!

Kashmir is a disputed territory.

Kashmiris want that they be identified as Pakistanis.

You have 26 other separatist. Try your luck with them

 

[kalakaar]

Kashmir is a disputed territory.

Kashmiris want that they be identified as Pakistanis.

You have 26 other separatist. Try your luck with them

Come and take then if you have guts. Tell your bajwa and Imrana to start the march.

 

[El Sidd]

Come and take then if you have guts. Tell your bajwa and Imrana to start the march.

Why do you stage dramas of Peace Talks? Is it some kinda attention whoring disorder?

 

[kalakaar]

Why do you stage dramas of Peace Talks? Is it some kinda attention whoring disorder?

India has stopped it. Only a lobby is there who talks of peace with terror funders. And no one is listening to them.

 

[El Sidd]

India has stopped it. Only a lobby is there who talks of peace with a terror funders.

Why cant you meet National consensus then? Your Army says one thing. Politicians the other. And lobbyist are there milking you.

 

[kalakaar]

Why cant you meet National consensus then? Your Army says one thing. Politicians the other. And lobbyist are there milking you.

its not your problem. You worry about war.