Possibilities of Covid-19 not from China

[kankan326]

1, New viruses can only be found in countries that have certain technical level and mature social structure. Especially for those viruses that are relatively less deadly. HIV originated from Africa but it was found in US. Ebola was found in Africa because it's too deadly and some Europeans happened to be there. A new disease like Covid-19, which in most cases have slight flu alike symptoms, would never be found in countries where people are struggling for their lives.

2, Original Covid-19 virus is less active in high temperature environment. Which means it could not be found at the earliest time if it originated in tropical regions. And most tropical countries happen to be backward ones.

3, China experienced SARS. Chinese people and medical staff are very alert to SARS alike diseases. EVen if the Covid-19 did not originate in China. The virus is bound to be found in winter's China.

4, Some viruses need big number of carriers and long time span to evolve. When China found the virus in 2019, it was already very mature and deadly. Seemed like it has adapted to human body long ago. Theoretically to say, the Covid-19 should have entered human body at least for several years. Probably went through a harmless(barely survive in human body) --- less harmful --- deadly route. At the early stage of Wuhan outbreak, the patients number was small and all of them were infected in short time.

5, Wuhan wet market. The first outbreak place is questionable. Wet markets have a lot of frozen meat and sea food. Which we now know are very important ways for covid virus spread. Big part of them were imported from other countries.

 

[Song Hong]

All advance country probably know Covid 19 not from China and likely USA. They can take out blood samples in their storage and check.

 

[kankan326]

People always blame China didn't prevent virus spread at the early stage. Questions are:

1, Which country had successfully prevented virus spread at "early stage" in their country? The answer is none. Don't forget every country's outbreak has its early stage. If China failed, you still have chance to block the virus at your "early stage". And it's more reasonable for China to fail because it was covid surprise attack.

2, Most countries did ground their flights to China. Turned out it didn't work. Ever considered the virus was not from China but some other place?

 

[vi-va]

Italy found coivd-19 in blood samples in 2019.

 

[denel]

guys... give it a rest please.

 

[Viet]

1, New viruses can only be found in countries that have certain technical level and mature social structure. Especially for those viruses that are relatively less deadly. HIV originated from Africa but it was found in US. Ebola was found in Africa because it's too deadly and some Europeans happened to be there. A new disease like Covid-19, which in most cases have slight flu alike symptoms, would never be found in countries where people are struggling for their lives.

2, Original Covid-19 virus is less active in high temperature environment. Which means it could not be found at the earliest time if it originated in tropical regions. And most tropical countries happen to be backward ones.

3, China experienced SARS. Chinese people and medical staff are very alert to SARS alike diseases. EVen if the Covid-19 did not originate in China. The virus is bound to be found in winter's China.

4, The virus needs big number of carriers and long time span to evolve. When China found the virus in 2019, it was already a very mature and deadly. Seemed like it has adapted to human body long ago. Theoretically to say, the Covid-19 should have entered human body at least for several years. Probably went throught a harmless(barely survive in human body) --- less harmful --- deadly route. At the early stage of Wuhan outbreak, the patients number was small and all of them were infected in short time.

5, Wuhan wet market. The first outbreak place is questionable. Wet markets have a lot of frozen meat and sea food. Which we now know are very important ways for covid virus spread. Big part of them were imported from other countries.

Don’t need to deny
the coronavirus genetics is almost identical (95 percent) to bat species in southern China. What we don’t know it what is the immediate species between human and bats. Some believe it’s pangolin.
because chinese state media believe Italy may be the source so the question is are there any pangolin species in Italy?

 

[denel]

Don’t need to deny
the coronavirus genetics is almost identical (95 percent) to bat species in southern China. What we don’t know it what is the immediate species between human and bats. Some believe it’s pangolin.
because chinese state media believe Italy may be the source so the question is are there any pangolin species in Italy?

that test in Italy was false positive to regular flu. it is amazing to see how much circular logic these people will get up to.

See the articles i had posted - factual scientific papers - these folks cant even respond with basic scientific facts.

 

[kankan326]

Don’t need to deny
the coronavirus genetics is almost identical (95 percent) to bat species in southern China. What we don’t know it what is the immediate species between human and bats. Some believe it’s pangolin.
because chinese state media believe Italy may be the source so the question is are there any pangolin species in Italy?

Did Vietman ever make any research on your bats? I guess the answer is no. How do you know bats in other countries don't have similar Covid virus? Chinese researchers studied bats a lot because as I said China is technically more advanced than most countries.

 

[TNT]

Its not possible that this virus just originated in china and spread so quickly. Most probably it was already spread before even china knew. A relative of mine was hospitalized in dubai in early 2019, had these corona symptoms but doctors said it's pneumonia, no one even knew about covid at that time.

 

[Aspen]

I never really discounted the theory that Covid was lying dormant for months or even years around the world until the right conditions emerged to make it spread. It probably started in China but that is a pretty big question mark, maybe it didn't. There was a report that said it was in Europe first. I mean it has to start somewhere, then it went from Europe to China and then for whatever reason it explodes in China.

 

[Valiant]

Coronavirus: New virus 'not yet global threat'
By James Gallagher
Health and science reporter, BBC News

Published

The deadly coronavirus that emerged last year does not currently appear to be infectious enough to pose a global threat, researchers say.
Their analysis of 55 cases of Middle East respiratory-syndrome coronavirus, published in the Lancet, indicated the virus struggled to spread in people.
But the virus may be mutating, which means it could become a much greater threat.
It is similar to viruses that cause Sars and the common cold.
So far there have been 77 confirmed cases and 41 deaths. Most infections come from an unidentified animal source, but there have been cases in which the virus has spread between people.
On Friday it was revealed that the World Health Organization has convened a telephone conference of its International Health Relations Emergency Committee next week.

The committee has only met once before ,during the 2009 H1N1 flu outbreak.
It said the meeting was a proactive approach, rather than a sign the situation was escalating.
Going global?
The team at the Pasteur Institute in Paris tried to calculate the average number of people each infected person passed the virus on to - what is known as a "basic reproduction value".

A high value means the number of cases can increase rapidly and potentially spread around the world, but a number less than one would mean the virus was destined to fade away.
The study indicated each patient would, on average, infect 0.69 others. So three infected patients would pass the virus on to just two people.
Prof Arnaud Fontanet told the BBC: "The virus as it currently stands is not able to start an epidemic.

"My concern is that people read this and not worry about it, but the opposite is true. This is the perfect time to identify the animal host and stop it."
In the early stages of Sars in late 2002 it had a basic reproduction value of 0.8, but eventually the virus mutated and could spread more easily.
"Sars' adaption to humans took just several months, whereas Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus has already been circulating more than a year in human populations without mutating into a pandemic form," Prof Arnaud Fontanet added.
There have been cases in Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Additional cases in France, Germany, Italy, Tunisia and the UK were linked to travel to the Middle East.
On Thursday, the death of a patient in the UK was announced. He had been treated for kidney failure and severe breathing difficulties since being flown in from Qatar in September.
Dr Benjamin Neuman, from the University of Reading, said: "The authors have done their best to predict how Middle East respiratory syndrome will spread based on the few cases that we know about, and found that the virus appears to be slowly dying out.

"But other work has shown that the virus is changing, and that change makes it difficult to predict the future of Middle East respiratory syndrome.
"What most concerns me is that people are still becoming infected from an unknown source."

Coronavirus: New virus 'not yet global threat'

The deadly coronavirus that emerged last year does not currently appear to be infectious enough to pose a global threat, researchers say.

www.bbc.com

 

[fallstuff]

1, New viruses can only be found in countries that have certain technical level and mature social structure. Especially for those viruses that are relatively less deadly. HIV originated from Africa but it was found in US. Ebola was found in Africa because it's too deadly and some Europeans happened to be there. A new disease like Covid-19, which in most cases have slight flu alike symptoms, would never be found in countries where people are struggling for their lives.

2, Original Covid-19 virus is less active in high temperature environment. Which means it could not be found at the earliest time if it originated in tropical regions. And most tropical countries happen to be backward ones.

3, China experienced SARS. Chinese people and medical staff are very alert to SARS alike diseases. EVen if the Covid-19 did not originate in China. The virus is bound to be found in winter's China.

4, The virus needs big number of carriers and long time span to evolve. When China found the virus in 2019, it was already a very mature and deadly. Seemed like it has adapted to human body long ago. Theoretically to say, the Covid-19 should have entered human body at least for several years. Probably went throught a harmless(barely survive in human body) --- less harmful --- deadly route. At the early stage of Wuhan outbreak, the patients number was small and all of them were infected in short time.

5, Wuhan wet market. The first outbreak place is questionable. Wet markets have a lot of frozen meat and sea food. Which we now know are very important ways for covid virus spread. Big part of them were imported from other countries.

I take it you are an expert on this, if so please state your credentials.

If not please site your source !

 

[fallstuff]

that test in Italy was false positive to regular flu. it is amazing to see how much circular logic these people will get up to.

See the articles i had posted - factual scientific papers - these folks cant even respond with basic scientific facts.

The Bat Lady in Wuhan lab had some kind of bat corona virus in her control for years.

For years, Zheng-Li Shi and her colleagues at the Wuhan Institute of Virology have been isolating coronaviruses from horseshoe bats in caves in China's Yunnan province. In 2013, they found a coronavirus that could infect human cells in the lab. Last week, Shi reported that this virus is 96 per cent identical to the Covid-19 virus now spreading in people.

Wuhan-like virus discovered seven years ago

 

[Zsari]

Don’t need to deny
the coronavirus genetics is almost identical (95 percent) to bat species in southern China. What we don’t know it what is the immediate species between human and bats. Some believe it’s pangolin.
because chinese state media believe Italy may be the source so the question is are there any pangolin species in Italy?

Human and monkey shares 93% of DNA and 99% with chimpanzee. 95% is far from identical.
Since zoonotic virus will have natural reservoir, it will reemerge again in the area of origin. We'll know by then where it's from.

 

[cochine]

covit 19 found in China first. so called China Virus is correct.