Police join Indians in Persecuting Christians

[Sedqal]

The fact remains the Same... Evangelist movement who has found political support from Pope Sonia are the biggest Threat to India as a Nation ... & should be Crushed where ever seen ...

Happy to see that the Main people beating &hit out of these Missionaries are Dalit people of North India...

Eh the real Indian spirit.

 

[Srinivas]

Thats not the difference I was talking about.

One trump card the church used in TN was the Dravidian thingy, that they were different from the Aryan North Indians...but the same cant be used against the North Indians themselves..as I said they are almost completely sanskritized and the Ayodhya issue also brought in a good deal of religious fervour to them. So the situations in North and south are different..

I agree with you.

 

[zaxcolix]

As for KS and the money canard, i wonder if he has seen any actual converts. Sure it exists but it certainly isn't universal nor is it very common.
With the growing intolerance towards Christians in the north, the southern traditional churches are also now waking up to the challenge. I hope you see what im driving at.
Central themes of Christianity will compel everyone to "perceive a threat" and "rise up to the challenge " to " spread the good news". Without organized crime against Christians, it isn't possible to retaliate because my faith does not allow us counter retaliate....and because there isn't any state policy explicitly banning Christianity (which im sure will be even more counter productive for the state's objective).

As KS said ..it exist and its not a canard.

Growing intolerance of the christians Indians toward the Hindus that is driving them to support this missionary activities will also kick in the self preservation instinct of Hindus in India. Steady rise of the RSS and BJP is a testimony to this reality.

Organized crime by christians against natives is stuff of legends (North Americans, South Americans, Australians, Africans, India etc.) I am sure you dont want to bring that up. Its an argument you will loose.

There are currently a few state policies that will prevent conversion activities though. Awareness of Hindu towards conversion will instigate more laws to protect their own way of life.

If you notice, now Christian clergy are increasingly opting to complete bachelors in Islam and Hinduism under the church's directive. Why do you suppose that is ? I leave it to your imagination, but rest assured , it isn't because they are backing off or conforming.

Christians seeking education in Hinduism is very good. It will directly bring into conflict the difference between the two religion. Hindus have nothing to fear from this ...its the christians who should be worried.

 

[Infinity]

They burned Graham and his little children alive. But instead of calling for just punishment, his wife chose to forgive them all and now even more actively engaged in missionary work.

This is exactly the point i was trying to drive home. Thank you.

I will tell you one incident of Tribal MP nearly 15 years back..............A Nun was called out of a Bus and Raped then Killed.............Her Sister a Nun to visited the Culprit in Jail and got Rakhi tied from him ................The Guy Finally converted to Christianity....................

 

[ALOK31]

They are Humans too.......................

but main problem in my state is acceptance .in my state more than 96% population are hindus(highest % of hindus in india) and they are very conservative .tribal christanity me converts hone ke baad wo kuch hi mahino ya saalo me phir se hinduism me convert ho jaate hai .

 

[Mech]

I will tell you one incident of Tribal MP nearly 15 years back..............A Nun was called out of a Bus and Raped then Killed.............Her Sister a Nun to visited the Culprit in Jail and got Rakhi tied from him ................The Guy Finally converted to Christianity....................

Its what these folks will never get. Incidents like the ones you mentioned are not isolated. It happens everywhere, all over the world.

 

[zaxcolix]

No need to get defensive. You didn't get my point at all. The "survival mechanism" is exactly what serves as a catapult for Christianity (demonstrated in China and Russia ). You see, Christians do counter retaliate. But its not in the way you expect.

I was listening to a particular missionary about his experience in the north. Every time they attempted to gather and pray Hindu mobs would come down hard on them. Now you would expect this would deter them...but this is not how Christian groups operate at all. Eventually, they managed to "bring their oppressors into the light" as well...with sheer persistence. Interestingly, it is now a well rooted Christian community area with their "oppressors" acting as their major benefactors.

.....The same thing against "oppressors" will not work in Saudia Arabia or Pakistan

It works in India because the law permits it. Hindu societies awareness of this will eventually bring about a law that prevents missionary conversion.

US has already tried to stop 'Modi' for the said reasons ....but Hindus still vote for him and leaders like him are the end result of what you have mentioned.

 

[Spring Onion]

I already said this. What's the difference for a hungry person, conversion on Gun point or conversion for food. In both case, the survival is the issue for him.

Its about choosing life over death. Survival madam. Come on, you are such an old member, can't you see, hunger is used as a weapon ?

How this is free will ? Free will happens when a person have a good alternate. Where there are choices. A hungry person don't have any alternate but to convert and take the food. Only choice he has is either life or death. And we all know what he will pick.

If you can't understand after so much detailed explanation, I don't know what will.

then why to oppose the survival of human at the cost of religion?

2. the hungry here have a better good alternate thats why they convert.

3. The person by going for life is going for a better choice.

period. Your arguments loses in this case.

 

[Srinivas]

then why to oppose the survival of human at the cost of religion?

2. the hungry here have a better good alternate thats why they convert.

3. The person by going for life is going for a better choice.

period. Your arguments loses in this case.

You were talking about the context in Which India is poor and countries like UK are rich.

Gone are those days when India used to receive aid for poverty, Now the context is different India can take care of its poor, These Western Designs needs to be countered.

 

[zaxcolix]

I will tell you one incident of Tribal MP nearly 15 years back..............A Nun was called out of a Bus and Raped then Killed.............Her Sister a Nun to visited the Culprit in Jail and got Rakhi tied from him ................The Guy Finally converted to Christianity....................

Strange ...I know of a similar incident ...12 years back in Gujarat A Nun was called out of a Bus and Raped. She later married the guy who raped her, become a Hindu by renounced christianity. Her family initially rejected her ...but eventually they have started appreciating Hinduism.

 

[Spring Onion]

You were talking about the context in Which India is poor and countries like UK are rich.

Gone are those days when India used to receive aid for poverty, Now the context is different India can take care of its poor, These Western Designs needs to be countered.

agree on bold part. as far as your other comments, if india can afford then why it isnt doing so ? why to ban Christian missionaries ? ( am talking about general demand by your members)

 

[Mech]

I am sure you dont want to bring that up. Its an argument you will loose.

Please bring it up. I dont see how it will help though. What man does in the name of religion is hardly worth justifying if it cannot be legitimized by the religion he claims to follow. Unlike Islam or Hinduism, our religion explicitly forbids violence even in the name of self preservation. It was Christ who said "those who live by the sword, die by the sword"....among other things.

The thing is, Christ reformed what used to be Judaism. Every act of violence that were once permissible became prohibited. During the dark ages and medieval periods, the church attempted to circumvent those directives but eventually found themselves distancing from the original gospel and the texts compiled in nicene. Which obviously, brought about its inevitable reformation.

In addition, Roman catholicism or Vatican is the last thing you should be latching on to.

 

[Infinity]

Strange ...I know of a similar incident ...12 years back in Gujarat A Nun was called out of a Bus and Raped. She later married the guy who raped her, become a Hindu by renounced christianity. Her family initially rejected her ...but eventually they have started appreciating Hinduism.

I am not astonished by what happened in Delhi recently...........................So you Justify Rape.................
.In my Post i never wrote he is a Hindu...........................If you got offended...............I am really Sorry.............My Intention was not to hurt any Religion......................

 

[KRAIT]

then why to oppose the survival of human at the cost of religion?
2. the hungry here have a better good alternate thats why they convert.
3. The person by going for life is going for a better choice.
period. Your arguments loses in this case.

I have no problem with they either providing food or preaching Christianity. Its the conditions attached with it. Food for religion, otherwise die of hunger. How can you defend that ?

Better alternate ??????? Life over death is called survival decision.

You haven't answered by question yet. You are dodging it. If I see a hungry Muslim dying of hunger and I tell him I will give you food ONLY IF you convert to Hinduism. Do you think its right ?

 

[Mech]

Strange ...I know of a similar incident ...12 years back in Gujarat A Nun was called out of a Bus and Raped. She later married the guy who raped her, become a Hindu by renounced christianity. Her family initially rejected her ...but eventually they have started appreciating Hinduism.

Interesting you should bring that up ,even if i am not at the moment; able to verify the claim. So what are you implying ? I am thoroughly interested....although quite limited in free time.