You are creating your own refutation, it is because the creator knows that he gave you a head that he lets you decide on what sort of morality you enforce. Medina isnt the complete state solution, if it was then hazrat Usman would not be humiliated by Hazrat Ali’s son nor Bibi Aisha ride on camelback against Hazrat Ali. They DID have “who is this Abu Bakr and who this Usman to rule us”. That is the part conveniently forgotten by romatic historians. We have a schism in Islam to this day because of it.
Medina under the prophet was just his explanation of what the Quran applied exactly for his time was; we don’t leave cars to travel on camels like the Prophet nor is miswak what is Sunnah- keeping teeth clean is!
You already answered the part regarding religion and culture, if we as a nation are intolerat, emotional and rabid then we WILL interpret Quran and Sunnah in that light and make laws reflecting that mentality under the guise of religious diktat. Then such a society will make a law asking people to chew on tree bark and shun toothbrushes because that will be seen as unislamic.
What stops them from presenting it as the good of society?
The first time I saw drugs and drink wS in Saudi Arabia, the place where everything supposedly shuts down during prayer. Women throw out the abaya in the ground the second they leave public areas and by that I don’t mean the streets but in private housing societies. So what good did all that enforced religious diktat do? It only caused greater curiosity to the deviation and greater rebellion.
You cannot battle human nature already mentioned in the Quran and you cannot prevent your greatest enemy, the one who gave the idea for the fruit and have you thrown out of heaven. The rebellion was within man, all it took was evil to push it and it formented to take the forbidden fruit. That lesson is being given to us, that we will be tempted, we will rebel when told not to. Our best hope lies in educating ourselves and acting as individuals to correct what is wrong and praying to Allah for protection from evil.
Enforcement of laws comes to prevent harm to each other, but all laws cannot prevent murder even in supposedly the most secure and surveyed of cities. punishment is pointless once the deed is done and only serves to remove a threat, not prevent it beyond deterrence.
So if deterrence is the key, then why not have the actual punishments? The cutting of hands and arms? Those actually served a good purpose and the Prophet was vocal about using them. Yet when it came to adultery he tried to ignore confessions? He ignored it thrice?
Why were concubines allowed in Islam? Why did the immediate caliphs after the 4, some companions to the Prophet take them?
If we are to accept that the Prophet was the living embodiment of how to live the Quran’s commandments then it is clear- he enforced certain punishment and was toleratant of other misdeeds because he was given the best understanding of human nature through god. He understood that humans arent melons, it takes a lot of factors to raise bad people.. including some that just are predisposed to be.
He understood that theft and murder were above all crimes to be prevented, and interest.. but the concept of premarital relationships was to be discouraged through other means and resolved in other ways.
Iran & Saudi Arabia are a great example on how what was prevented publicly has taken hold in much more rebellious ways out of the way of the law.
All these attempts to close off heera mandi has led to naught btw, they have moved onto DHa y block. And will move elsewhere.. and on and on.
These kids are stupid and hormonally charged; the police have actually tried to handle this as amicably as possible. But if the current laws were enforced and actually put into action, would lead to either the young man searching for prostitutes or being enticed into other acts.. instead of his parents being held responsible. The girl who was found kissing could be found with another girl in a sexual experimentation(which happens in many girl only establishments) or running away with a young man.
The solution to this would have been an parents giving good earlier interactions, stricter upbringing and then encouraging activities that divert the libido..
Ruining the kids lives because they could not control their hormones only speaks of a despot society and reflects Islam as a barbaric religion that could not have come from a all understanding, all knowing creator.
