PNS Shamsheer and PNS Nasr visit Qingdao, China

[Secur]

Great work Chinese brothers !!! So the next time we need some pics of our new military hardware ( Our Govt doesn't allow us to get close and remains secretive lol ) we will ask our Govt to send them to visit China ... That should get us some high res pics like these Once again Wonderful ( nothing like what USN sailors told for some )

 

[Penguin]

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July 19, 2011, PNS Shamsheer and PNS Nasr visit Qingdao, China. It is the second time that Pakistan navy vessels visit Qingdao.

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[Picture: (Photographer) Cui, Copyright/2011]

Interesting for those worried about compatibility of Z9C with e.g. Perry class. Here we see Sea King operated from a Chinese designed AOR of PN. This Sea King would also be able to use the flight deck of the F22P. We also see US Phalanx on the AOR, and Chinese SAM on Type 21: there appear little compatibility problems between 'western' and 'eastern' equipments.

 

[Ibr0kEmYrAz0r]

Interesting for those worried about compatibility of Z9C with e.g. Perry class. Here we see Sea King operated from a Chinese designed AOR of PN. This Sea King would also be able to use the flight deck of the F22P. We also see US Phalanx on the AOR, and Chinese SAM on Type 21: there appear little compatibility problems between 'western' and 'eastern' equipments.

Pakistani people are resourceful and adaptive, they've surely worked something out already. Z-9C is a license-built development from a French design, and the export version Z-9EC has many of French originated sub-systems from Safran group, like Sagem autopilots.

There were reports stating that Z-9C successfully landed on HMS Portland back in Aman 09 exercise, also landed on a Korean KDX-II DDH 979 in 2010. And back in 2004, it operated from a French frigate Latouche-Tréville (D646) as well, during a joint exercise.

While these landing exercises may not mean much about the compatibility issue, as choppers can land on many flat surfaces, e.g. school football pitch, and the back of submarine, etc., it does show that Z-9 works quite well and versatile with "western" built landing systems.

P.S.
Also F-22P is equiped with ZKJ-3C (or its upgraded version) combat systems, which in turn is derived from French TAVITAC. That's why Z-9 can operate from Chinese ships with no difficult - French origin chopper versus French origin systems. China also gained experience resolving sensor compatibility issues on type 052 DDG back in the 90s.

While China is exceedingly efficient at integrating "eastern" tech with "western" tech, now they've learned to design stuff to minimize compatibility issues. (Many Chinese brand electronic equipments, like TV/laptop, they tend to have more functionality and more ports than western brand, even the 2m extension sockets you buy from supermarkets are designed universal, so you can plug in UK/USA/Europe/China/Japan electric appliances all in one lead. )

 

[Penguin]

How hard can it be? All you'ld need is a data link between ship and heli, alllowing you to send info from heli to ship and vv. A comercial datalink would do...

 

[Ibr0kEmYrAz0r]

Wow, more than half a year has passed, any latest updates on the F-22P ships already in service?

And also what happened to the fourth/last ship in the series which is built in Pakistan's Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW), as it was launched a while ago (16th June 2011); have the sensors/weapons systems been fitted yet?

 

[regular]

Wow, more than half a year has passed, any latest updates on the F-22P ships already in service?

And also what happened to the fourth/last ship in the series which is built in Pakistan's Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW), as it was launched a while ago (16th June 2011); have the sensors/weapons systems been fitted yet?

I guess not yet but the work is still inprogress there. It shold be completed by the mid of this year.....

 

[Raftar]

One question please tell me. why it has lots of flags (REASON)?????

 

[Capt.Popeye]

One question please tell me. why it has lots of flags (REASON)?????

This act of bedecking a ship with so many flags is called "Dressing Ship". Its done on all ships to celebrate special occasions like a Country's National Day or a Fleet Review etc. In this case, its the visit of the ship to a foreign country on a goodwill cruise.

 

[Raftar]

This act of bedecking a ship with so many flags is called "Dressing Ship". Its done on all ships to celebrate special occasions like a Country's National Day or a Fleet Review etc. In this case, its the visit of the ship to a foreign country on a goodwill cruise.

ok thanks buddy

 

[Aamir Hussain]

These are signal flags consisting of number, alphabet and special circumstance flag such as "Taking on Ammunation,"
"Divers in water," "Keep Station," etc.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Interesting for those worried about compatibility of Z9C with e.g. Perry class. Here we see Sea King operated from a Chinese designed AOR of PN. This Sea King would also be able to use the flight deck of the F22P. We also see US Phalanx on the AOR, and Chinese SAM on Type 21: there appear little compatibility problems between 'western' and 'eastern' equipments.

In the present instance, i.e. the Seaking Helo on the Fleet Oiler compatibility is only limited by the dimensions of the Heli-Deck available. If the Seaking is operating in a utility/vertrep role, then that is it. However if the Seaking is operating in a ASW/AEW role than datalink capability may well be an issue.

Also since I am not sure if PNS Nasr is fitted with a winch-down/haul-down and traverse gear, it would be hard to comment about that. But in any case that will only affect the mother ship to operate the Helo in high sea-state conditions.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

These are signal flags consisting of number, alphabet and special circumstance flag such as "Taking on Ammunation,"
"Divers in water," "Keep Station," etc.

Indeed they are. These flags singly and in combinations are used to communicate between ships at sea. This method actually pre-dates the advent of radio communication and were the sole means of communication between ships till signalling by morse code on lamps came about. But if I may say so those methods were all WVR ))
Radio Communication, whether W/T or R/T changed that all to BVR D)

In case of "Dressing Ship", the flags are purely decorative (like party bunting) and have no signalling functions whatsover.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

good point popeye. The operational envalope of shipboard helos have never been discussed on this forum. Wars are not just fought in calm waters and fair weather but sometimes in incliment weather as well. A good shipboard landing system like Bear Trap or a Novatel type of system make the difference between life and death for not only the crew of the copter but aslo the boat.

Embarking Helos on platform si one thing but launching and recovering them in different sea states enhances the ability of the overall fighting platform.

As far as I know we have very little knowledge of the what is installed on the newer PN acqusitions.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

The dealy in the induction of the final ship is due to the fact that this is first of a kind ship for KSEW and it does take time to grasp and overcome the newer shipbuilding methods peculiar to this type of vessel.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

good point popeye. The operational envalope of shipboard helos have never been discussed on this forum. Wars are not just fought in calm waters and fair weather but sometimes in incliment weather as well. A good shipboard landing system like Bear Trap or a Novatel type of system make the difference between life and death for not only the crew of the copter but aslo the boat.

Embarking Helos on platform si one thing but launching and recovering them in different sea states enhances the ability of the overall fighting platform.

As far as I know we have very little knowledge of the what is installed on the newer PN acqusitions.

Agreed with you on all points there. Sea-states can affect the ability of any ship to function as designed. In case of warships, that can assume a critical dimension. Which is why the hull-form of a warship is important and some ship designs have had more success than others. E.G. in the sixties, India acquired a design from the UK of the Leander class (Type 12). The hull-form was highly successful for IN. When the IN was seeking replacement the UK/RN offered the Type 21 class. That class was notoriously poor in sea-keeping abilities ( which is why the RN disposed off all their Type 21s). What the IN and its design bureau did was to take the Leander hull and expand it, most of all to make it broad beamed. That made it even more stable plus it gave space for a twin Helo Hangar. That became the template for the SNF Godavari and Brahmaputra class ships.

Of late, in the discussion on FACs for PN; there was a depiction of a catamaran design. While that has some merits, it can really ride like a horse in slightly choppy seas. And I've seen that happen in the Yellow Sea.