PN to acquire twin engine jet aircraft - Tender

[nomi007]

any update on this project?

 

[khanasifm]

any update on this project?

Based on info from Janes one for the requirement for the Paltform was
It’s should already be in thousands in number in world wide fleet (commercial) which means Boeing 737 or equivalent airbus I am not sure any other platforms meet the Criteria

 

[Incog_nito]

Why not acquire some additional Hawker 850XP?

The good thing about Hawker 850XP is it's the flight time of 6 hours or so.
So, this can fit right on the requirements with lower operational costs.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Actually post-covid, it would be an ideal time for Pakistan to buy some aircraft from US airliners that have grounded large number of aircraft or wont be able to take the orders they placed with Boeing due to little air traffic.

 

[FuturePAF]

Actually post-covid, it would be an ideal time for Pakistan to buy some aircraft from US airliners that have grounded large number of aircraft or wont be able to take the orders they placed with Boeing due to little air traffic.

Despite the loss of an A320 in the recent PIA crash, going for a A320neo based MPA/SIGINT - ELINT (finding a way to put both features on an extended airframe variant should be studied)

If equipped with the best GaN based AESA out of Europe, the best ELINT equipment, and the best EW equipment it could get in close to enemy positions to gather badly needed intel in a time of heightened hostilities.

Acquiring well maintained planes being retired early from airlines due to the coronavirus maybe a good way to keep costs down. If we can get enough air frames at a good price, we could use them as tankers if that is part of the future air doctrine, or at the very least retire or replace some of our oldest PIA planes to improve safety.

 

[nomi007]

Despite the loss of an A320 in the recent PIA crash, going for a A320neo based MPA/SIGINT - ELINT (finding a way to put both features on an extended airframe variant should be studied)

If equipped with the best GaN based AESA out of Europe, the best ELINT equipment, and the best EW equipment it could get in close to enemy positions together badly needed intel in a time of heightened hostilities.

Acquiring well maintained planes being retired early from airlines due to the coronavirus maybe a good way to keep costs down. If we can get enough air frames at a good price, we could use them as tankers if that is part of the future air doctrine, or at the very least retire or replace some of our oldest PIA planes to improve safety.

no chance, we will most probably buy Saab system.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The next purchase should ideally be the Turkish HAVASOJ platform to compliment and then replace the DA-20's once PAf have managed to save their pennies for the next procurement batch. The Saab's Erieye ER may be a contender for a follow on batch, but suspect PAF may not want the full GlobalEye package, opting for the Turkish platform instead. The GlobalEye has a very siginificant offensive capability, so there is the logistics of the politics involved, while an AEW&C is a defensive platform in its simplest form. HAVASOJ will be less toxic when talking about getting offensive capabilities, etc.

The question is, can the HAVASOJ platform be deployed onto the Saab-2000 platform or does it need to be the Bombardier Global Express platform. Even if Sweden and Saab authorise the GlobalEye to Pakistan, can both HAVASOJ and GlobalEye share the same platform?

PN is looking at the Hawker XP 850.. so, why can't Pakistan adopt the same business class jet for use in the maritime, aew&c and jammer roles? ( Lack of joined up services thinking? ).. and why is PN adopting a platform that is no longer manufactured ?

 

[FuturePAF]

no chance, we will most probably buy Saab system.

I originally backed the idea of the Saab jet as well, but there was a line in the requirement that the platform should be one that is widely used in civil aviation. The most common civil airliner with the kind of range to monitor our entire EEZ And loiter is an A-320. The Global 6000 could also do the job, but with airlines retiring planes, an A-320neo could probably be purchased for a similar price as a Saab option. Also, a larger size may help build a multi-role option mpa and Sigint. It all depends on what the PAF wants. We don’t know for sure it’s a requirement for an mpa. It could be an ew platform, in which case the Turkish Havasoj and the platform that is integrated on is the best option available to us.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I originally backed the idea of the Saab jet as well, but there was a line in the requirement that the platform should be one that is widely used in civil aviation. The most common civil airliner with the kind of range to monitor our entire EEZ And loiter is an A-320. The Global 6000 could also do the job, but with airlines retiring planes, an A-320neo could probably be purchased for a similar price as a Saab option. Also, a larger size may help build a multi-role option mpa and Sigint. It all depends on what the PAF wants. We don’t know for sure it’s a requirement for an mpa. It could be an ew platform, in which case the Turkish Havasoj and the platform that is integrated on is the best option available to us.

IMHO ... the PN will likely end-up using the Global 6000, and in turn, design a LRMPA similar to the Saab Swordfish. Basically, limited mods to the airframe, likely external hardpoints for anti-ship missiles and lightweight torpedoes. I doubt they'll go as deep as Airbus' A320neo concept (like creating an internal bay, etc), not alone anyways.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Mitsubishi MRJ??
Sukhoi SSJ???

Boeing 737-200
Airbus A220-100

 

[FuturePAF]

IMHO ... the PN will likely end-up using the Global 6000, and in turn, design a LRMPA similar to the Saab Swordfish. Basically, limited mods to the airframe, likely external hardpoints for anti-ship missiles and lightweight torpedoes. I doubt they'll go as deep as Airbus' A320neo concept (like creating an internal bay, etc), not alone anyways.

what if they could acquire the air frame for a similar price as a Global 6000? Considering the size difference and the A-320Neo could also operate as a Sigint aircraft if the required antenna could be found to fit on the air frame and operator stations programmed to do both ASW and SIGINT. But I agree with your point, the Global 6000 is the right minimum size class to function as a LRMPA to cover our entire EEZ. Perhaps with the lack of a bay, it will leave room for a SIGINT suite just aft of the wings and wheel wells, it the outer wing pylons could house SIGINT pods.

 

[Zapper]

Mitsubishi MRJ??
Sukhoi SSJ???

Reliability issues and untested
MRJ only has test aircrafts but didn't enter service yet

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I believe Delta place order for a 100 or so aircraft.

Reliability issues and untested
MRJ only has test aircrafts but didn't enter service yet

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

what if they could acquire the air frame for a similar price as a Global 6000? Considering the size difference and the A-320Neo could also operate as a Sigint aircraft if the required antenna could be found to fit on the air frame and operator stations programmed to do both ASW and SIGINT. But I agree with your point, the Global 6000 is the right minimum size class to function as a LRMPA to cover our entire EEZ. Perhaps with the lack of a bay, it will leave room for a SIGINT suite just aft of the wings and wheel wells, it the outer wing pylons could house SIGINT pods.

Yep. I think because the PN must do this alone without more experienced partners, it has to be conservative. I think the Saab Swordfish is the most reachable model: 90% COTS. Saab only owned the weapons (AShM + LWT), but the radar, EO/IR, ESM, etc were all from other sources. Even so, weapons integration and testing won't be easy.

 

[Zapper]

I believe Delta place order for a 100 or so aircraft.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/trans-states-airlines-drops-order-for-largest-mitsubishi-spacejet/