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PML-N Worse than PPP in Managing Economy

According to data released by the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) on Wednesday, FDI decreased by $989.3 million year-on-year in July-June, as it amounted to almost $1.7 billion in 2013-14.

2014-15: Foreign direct investment shrinks by 58.2% - The Express Tribune


Pakistan’s exports have plunged to a four-year low of $23.9 billion in the recently ended financial year – missing the target by $3.1 billion and tattering the much-trumpeted ‘Vision 2025’ that promises six times increase in exports in the next 10 years.

The country exported goods worth $23.9 billion during the last financial year 2014-15, which were $1.3 billion or 4.9% less than the previous fiscal year, reported the Pakistan Bureau of Statistics (PBS) on Thursday.

It was a poorer performance compared to Pakistan Peoples Party’s (PPP) last year in office, which is generally considered as a bad year in terms of economic policies and governance. In the last year of the PPP government, the exports had increased to $24.5 billon.

Alarming: Pakistan’s exports plunge to 4-year low - The Express Tribune


Pakistan’s external debt is projected to grow to a whopping $90 billion in the next four years and the country will need $20 billion a year just to meet its external financing requirements amid concerns that all constitutional arrangements put in place to manage debt have become ineffective.

Pakistan’s external debt set to grow to whopping $90b - The Express Tribune

While one moaned the excessive borrowing spree of the PPP led government, debt piling over the last two and half years has been no less scary. Violating all norms (including constitutional) of permissible level of debt in an economy, Pakistan seems headed towards a debt trap. From poorly negotiated terms with the IMF that decelerate economic activity and negate employment creation in home markets, the story is endless: crowding out the of the private sector (more than 85% loan portfolios of the commercial banks in the last 3 years are directed towards the government); compromising the very concept of sovereign debt - cost of governmental borrowing, which in-turn can have far reaching implications not only on the structure of debt but also on the sheer long-term
ability of future governments to reduce the debt ratio; the interest rate conundrum and compromising on the option of using national savings at a given time to reduce national debt; raising expensive debt to retire cheaper borrowings; and last but not least, the whole business of questionable dollar denominated bond issues in the international markets. Pakistan’s total external liabilities at commercial rates today stand at about 36% of our total debt, our principal and interest payment alone tend to be as much as 20% of our total export earnings and the total debt today is as high as nearly two and a half times of our total annual export receipts.


National debt: Facts from fiction?

The cotton crop has failed and output is likely to be down by over 18 percent. This alone can reduce the GDP growth rate by one percentage point, given the role of cotton in the national economy,” it added. “Exports plummeted by over 14 percent in the first six months. Imports grew in overall quantity terms, thereby adversely impacting on production in import-substituting industries.” -

It said, according to the Social Policy and Development Centre’s estimates, the number of poor is annually increasing by more than three million. “The pressure for fiscal contraction under the IMF program has probably been one factor contributing to the recent increase in poverty,” the statement said.

It said there were also a number of factual inconsistencies in the statement made by Finger on the state of public finances and the IMF mission chief asserts that the reduction in fiscal deficit is a major achievement of the program.

The fiscal deficit is projected to come down to 4.3 percent of the GDP in 2015-16 from 8 percent of the GDP in 2012-13. However, in the latter year, there was a retirement of circular debt of the magnitude of 1.4 percent of the GDP.

“Currently, these liabilities have exceeded two percent of the GDP and inclusive of this the fiscal deficit will reach at least 6.3 percent of the GDP in 2015-16,” the statement said. “This indicates that the underlying magnitude of the fiscal deficit remains high.”

The think tank said the cash deficit may exceed 4.3 percent of the GDP in 2015-16 due to the cost of the prime minister’s agriculture relief package, higher tariff differential subsidy following the reduction in electricity tariff by Rs3/kilowatt hour, lower revenue from the gas infrastructure development cess and lower cash surplus by the provinces. “In fact, it will not be surprising if the fiscal deficit in 2015-16 exceeds the level attained last year of 5.3 percent of the GDP,” it added.


Think tank slams IMF for being soft on Pakistan’s economic indicators | Business | thenews.com.pk


My question to you is, if everything is hunky dory as the articles you posted make it out to be, why is Pakistan's overall economic situation getting worse.

According to the articles you posted, Investors are flocking to Pakistan and Pakistan's exports are increasing. But why do the final numbers say that FDI is at an all time low, Exports are at an all time low, Loans are at an all time high and most importantly our Cotton Crop has failed. SPDC has estimated that the poor in Pakistan are increasing at a rate of 3 million annually, so if the economy is improving than why is the number of poor increasing instead of decreasing.

Instead of making tall empty claims, why don't you provide any factual data.



We are discussing the economy here, please feel free to open a new thread to talk about politics. I would appreciate it, if you would not derail this thread. Lets stick to the economy.



He indeed is a very interesting fellow. I remember in an another thread, he was claiming that he was an American. Was very amusing, and good for laughter haha.

Here is the problem. You are taking 2 or 3 things and generalizing. The debt has largely been due to IMF loans of $6-7 billion, which will have to be returned in a year or two. But thats besides the point. The IMF has stated that reforms are going well and the money has been utilized in the positive side.

So social policy applies only to federal government ? The government can make whatever it wants but in the end its the provinces that have to implement it. After the 18th amendment the burden is on the provinces. PTI bragged about bringing change in '90 days' which we all know never happened and this is the difference between PTI and PML-N, it makes promises it knows it can't do.

About FDI here is the thing. PTI should let government implement CPEC, it will be nation's largest FDI.
 
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A billion dollars spent on yellow journalist for sure don't produce PhD's in journalism. Corrupt journalists remain corrupt and write these fake, propaganda articles.

But I think I side with the yellow journalist who wrote this "detailed" analysis is in English, without having the qualifications to understand things written (or stolen and compiled from other sources). I agree that PMLN is WORST than the PPP and PTI.

WHY???? Well, the other two don't do shiit and this government is ACTUALLY doing everything opposite of the laziness exercised by everyone in Pakistan who remained in power. In PPP and PTI's world, the little money goes to corruption (a few billions) and everything else remains the same like it has been since the 1950's. So nothing gets done for the PEOPLE. So nothing really gets done outside of corruption, so why even have the DEBT :yahoo: :angel: :rofl:??

So this government IS worst. Its doing SO MUCH work and programs across almost all areas that grow a country. As a result, because the others didn't do jack shiit for 60 years, everything is NOW happening that didn't happen for the past 60 years. That too, without having an economy or $$$$ in the bank account. So there will be debt as no MOFO from before left any money for the nation, or did these things that should've started back in the 50's for God's sake!!

So I agree. The current government IS SO MUCH worst than everyone by doing public welfare work and putting all other lazy ****es behind in dust!!

u just follow pmln blindly rnt ya ??

pmln guys do systematic corruption & CPEC is a the fine example and their eastern route plus dodgy dealings done with other provinces regarding CPEC
 
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u just follow pmln blindly rnt ya ??

pmln guys do systematic corruption & CPEC is a the fine example and their eastern route plus dodgy dealings done with other provinces regarding CPEC

Can you prove any corruption in CPEC ? The project is stalled because of PTI's immature politics and the Eastern route has not even started.
 
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Here is the problem. You are taking 2 or 3 things and generalizing. The debt has largely been due to IMF loans of $6-7 billion, which will have to be returned in a year or two. But thats besides the point. The IMF has stated that reforms are going well and the money has been utilized in the positive side.

What reforms? Please tell me, what structural reforms has the Federal Government initiated? And on what projects that money has been utilized?

Also, it appears that you don't read the news that often, as the Federal Government has already asked the IMF for an additional program of loans. The loans will be paid back, with further loans taken the IMF. Good Job. How does the Fed Govt possible expect to payback the loans in dollars, when the Exports and FDI are going down. Maybe Nawaz Sharif might bring back his dollars from London, only than i can possibly see Pakistan paying back the debt in dollars.

So social policy applies only to federal government ? The government can make whatever it wants but in the end its the provinces that have to implement it. After the 18th amendment the burden is on the provinces. PTI bragged about bringing change in '90 days' which we all know never happened and this is the difference between PTI and PML-N, it makes promises it knows it can't do.

Indeed, the Federal Government is the big brother and sets the agenda for the Nation. As far as promises are concerned, wasn't the PML-N that bragged that they will end load shedding within 6 months. Also if my memory serves me right, didn't Nawaz Sharif slammed the PPP Government for taking loans from the IMF and advocating the concept of 'Tahir e Lahuti'. I remember him saying that death was more acceptable rather than taking loans from IMF. What happened to that?

As far as Governance is concerned, all the surveys and stats indicators state that KPK is the most improved province in Pakistan since 2013.

KPK Government Best in Terms of Governance — PILDAT Survey

About FDI here is the thing. PTI should let government implement CPEC, it will be nation's largest FDI.

What a wonderful excuse. So the CPEC is the only FDI that Pakistan should be relying upon? What about other sources that used to invest in Pakistan but are not investing anymore because of horrible governance.

On a side note, PTI has already stated that they fully support the CPEC initiative if the Government opens the project up to transparency. The Fed Govt still hasn't shared not a single piece of documentation with the other provinces.

Gosh, i am ripping each and everyone of your argument apart. You need to step up buddy.
 
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Can you prove any corruption in CPEC ? The project is stalled because of PTI's immature politics and the Eastern route has not even started.

oh yea orange line which suppose to be Punjab's project is included in CPEC ... i dont mind it as a CPEC project but why did they deny it 1st that it is not the part of CPEC & claimed it to be solely Punjab's initiated project and now it has come out to be CPEC project... the question is why deny it 1st??
 
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What reforms? Please tell me, what structural reforms has the Federal Government initiated? And on what projects that money has been utilized?

Also, it appears that you don't read the news that often, as the Federal Government has already asked the IMF for an additional program of loans. The loans will be paid back, with further loans taken the IMF. Good Job. How does the Fed Govt possible expect to payback the loans in dollars, when the Exports and FDI are going down. Maybe Nawaz Sharif might bring back his dollars from London, only than i can possibly see Pakistan paying back the debt in dollars.



Indeed, the Federal Government is the big brother and sets the agenda for the Nation. As far as promises are concerned, wasn't the PML-N that bragged that they will end load shedding within 6 months. Also if my memory serves me right, didn't Nawaz Sharif slammed the PPP Government for taking loans from the IMF and advocating the concept of 'Tahir e Lahuti'. I remember him saying that death was more acceptable rather than taking loans from IMF. What happened to that?

As far as Governance is concerned, all the surveys and stats indicators state that KPK is the most improved province in Pakistan since 2013.

KPK Government Best in Terms of Governance — PILDAT Survey



What a wonderful excuse. So the CPEC is the only FDI that Pakistan should be relying upon? What about other sources that used to invest in Pakistan but are not investing anymore because of horrible governance.

On a side note, PTI has already stated that they fully support the CPEC initiative if the Government opens the project up to transparency. The Fed Govt still hasn't shared not a single piece of documentation with the other provinces.

Gosh, i am ripping each and everyone of your argument apart. You need to step up buddy.

Reforms and this is coming from someone working with the IMF:

Frank: Pakistan has made good progress. When the country approached the IMF for support in 2013, it was on the verge of a balance-of-payments crisis, and that crisis has been averted. Reserves at the State Bank of Pakistan, which had declined to perilously low levels, are now rebounding.

The fiscal deficit, which was extremely large at over 8 percent of GDP in 2012-13, is on track this year to get down below 5 percent of GDP. Not only is the deficit lower, but financing conditions have eased considerably. Pakistan has regained access to international capital markets, and the country has received disbursements from the IMF and other development partners.

The economy grew about 4 percent last year, and we’re expecting a similar figure this year. That’s a good performance considering the country was carrying out major fiscal consolidation. But it’s not enough to substantially improve income levels because of the high population growth rate.

Among the key achievements is tackling costly and inefficient electricity subsidies. Those subsidies have come down from almost 2 percent of GDP to 0.7 percent of GDP this year, and they are expected to fall to 0.3 next year. This reduction in subsidies is accompanied by measures to protect the poor. At the same time, the government has been working to increase the energy supply to tackle the country’s huge electricity outages and improve the operations of the generation and distribution companies to make them more efficient.

The government has also made progress on improving the tax system. Pakistan has these so-called Statutory Regulatory Orders, or SROs, which grant tax exemptions and concessions, riddling the tax system with loopholes. At the beginning of this fiscal year, the government eliminated a significant number of those SROs, and it is expected to improve tax collection from that source by about 0.3 percent of GDP this year. Another batch of SROs will be eliminated in the upcoming budget for a similar amount. This and other tax base-broadening measures have yielded good results. The government has also made some headway in administering taxes—catching the people who are evading taxes, making sure that they pay, and collecting taxes in a more efficient manner, but much more is needed.

The authorities have also improved the trade regime and taken some initial steps on improving the business climate and on the privatization of public enterprises. But in all these areas, there’s more work to do.


False. The government has not asked for any 'new loans'. Those are tranches of the committed $6-7 Billion.

Yes do compare governance:

Nawaz most popular leader: survey - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Punjab leads other provinces in terms of good governance - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

Less than 25% of KP development budget utilised - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
 
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oh yea orange line which suppose to be Punjab's project is included in CPEC ... i dont mind it as a CPEC project but why did they deny it 1st that it is not the part of CPEC & claimed it to be solely Punjab's initiated project and now it has come out to be CPEC project... the question is why deny it 1st??

Ahsan Iqbal said said its a Punjab government project but presented for financial approval when Chinese President visited Pakistan with his dozens of business delegations.

Check the planning department and their budget:

PLANNING & DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, Government of the Punjab

Punjab Metro Authority Tender

http://www.pma.punjab.gov.pk/sites/pma.punjab.gov.pk/files/DraftRFPOrangeLine_FplusEPC.pdf

Phase 1 Contract given to Habib Construction (a domestic company)

Project Location: Lahore
Client Lahore Development Authority
Ownership Metro Bus Authority Government of Punjab
Project Value PKR. 21,409 Million
Start Date October 25 , 2015
Completion Date August 30 , 2016
Status Completed as on November 30, 2015 8%


LAHORE ORANGE LINE METRO TRAIN PROJECT - PACKAGE-1 CIVIL & ALLIED WORKS FROM DERA GUJJRAN TO CHAUBURJI 13.6 KM - Habib Construction Services


Clearly see DG LDA with CM executing the project. No Chinese, CPEC official in sight.

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oh yea orange line which suppose to be Punjab's project is included in CPEC ... i dont mind it as a CPEC project but why did they deny it 1st that it is not the part of CPEC & claimed it to be solely Punjab's initiated project and now it has come out to be CPEC project... the question is why deny it 1st??

Cause Khattak will also ask for Orange Line metro in Peshawar too
 
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Hi,

It was last year april and then the previous year as well.

The reason china is pouring money into pakistan is because of what is happening in the south china seas---. Japa, so Korea, Vietam, Philipines openly challengimng china----india then instigating vietnam to get into a fight with china--and also the U S---and china having no escape route---needs to deflate the balloon to let the pressure out.

Only yesterday---in 2012---the chinese kicked out the pakistanis who went there to get some financial aid---china told them to get lost---.

Nawaz govt has taken 29 billion dollars in loans in 2.5 years and looted and plundered most of them----. It is getting to the stage---where pakistan will be at a stage to default and they will ask pakistan to sell its nucs----.

The U S does not want pakistan to propser---. Even Pres Obama threatened to strike pakistan in the near future---he even named pakistan as a place for trouble---he was just softening up the public.

Ok MK, I don't know which world you live in these days, but its definitely not the planet earth. There are too many "statements" but 0 substance.

1) China isn't stupid to pour money because of what is happening in SCS. The investment that has come in, wasn't just from the Chinese government. It is from Chinese businesses but the GUARANTEES are within the two governments. And no business invest billions into another hostile system till 2012, unless you saw a profit of at the least 30-50% on your investment. You make it sound like the Chinese HAD to invest :cheesy: :rofl: :angel:. When the fact is, if they weren't close to Pakistan, they could've invested into Afghanistan and would have much better relations with India because of it. Or Sri Lanka, many African nations, etc. Trust me, 75% of the world would love these massive investments!!

Which is why keep saying on every other thread bashing NS and others on CPEC that 99% of the writers can't even explain what's included in three phases of the CPEC.

2) Nawaz government should take a trillion dollar loan if that helps progress Pakistan economically. The US had borrowed a trillion from China a few years ago to grow our economy. Today, we are up and they are down economy wise. So the trillion dollars were spent well. That's what should happen in Pakistan too. Its very obvious that you have no experience in running an economy. India at times run 50% GDP to debt ratio too because they didn't have money 20 years ago and they started all these projects that took them in top 5 economies in a couple of decades. Pakistan today is where India was 20 years ago. Embarking on an economic journey towards success.

3) What was "looted" and where did it "go"? Any proofs? Or just statements? I'll tell you what "looting" is. A general distributing over $ 1 billion between himself and his few buddies and his supporting gangsters in Karachi called MQM!!!! Mushy's son's worth went from $ 5 million to over $ 500 MILLION in the US. Not including his palacsin London and Turkey.

Gen. Kiyani just returned 6.7 billion rupees to the government with assurances that his name wouldn't be out in corruption. Instead, his brother will be "blamed" as he was the front man :enjoy:. Now why don't you show me a proof of looted money that every NS hater whether IK supporter or a military rule lover conspires on these thread day and night? The above are proofs and you can check them. On NS, I'd like some REAL proof. Not he said, she said or ARY's manufactured documents that they show while being five feet away from the Cameras!!! If those documents can't be presented on Cameras, you think those can make it to the court as "presentable facts" he no. Good job making up stories though :yahoo:.

4) And who's fault it is that no tax system, no economic growth plans, no public welfare work was done for the past 60 years? The name of the responsible party starts with "Mil*****". I hope you got it.

If there were civilians running the show for the past 60 years, the debt would've spread out over 60 years and majority of it paid back already. But since NO work was ever done by the military for the people of Pakistan, guess what? The work is now being done so the debt would look like mounting too. Someone is trying to do what didn't happen in the past 70 years, and that, without a tax system, without an economy and a real market!!!!!
 
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