The question of doves .... it isn’t easy being a lion on a empty stomach.
I personally think both Imran and Bajwa are strong, brave and upright men and trying to their best with what they have.
yes some of Pakistan’s behavior might seem “dovish” to you ... however think what sensible Americans and Indians think. They think under Imran Pakistan has become one gutsy country.
a dovish country does not counter attack a neighbor 3 times their strength. That too in broad day light.
a dovish county does not tell America on it is face you failed in Afghanistan and you need to leave.
A dovish country does not stand infront of the entire UN and tell it something that shakes their spine. Ie tells them they are shameless two faced people.
A spineless country does not put a radical intolerant foul mouth mullah ie Kadam Rizwi behind a military prison for six months. Some thing no government has ever done. The last government just hid till Faud chaudry had to call them out...
a spineless leader doesn’t bitch slap trump insane tweets ... ever heard any nasty tweets from trump on Pakistan since Imran counter tweets?
I can continue to site examples... if you like
You are clearly the Docile Duo type dove as well --- i.e. you define a very, very low and almost laughable threshold of what being a hawk is and then claim that you are not a dove because that very low bar is met.
Let me break your examples down:
1.) The Indians DO NOT think that Pakistan has become some super gutsy country under IK. Our Armed Forces would have responded to last Feb's Indian incursion whether the civ govt had given the green light or not (let's not pretend that the PM is the real Commander in Chief in this country) --- so there was nothing too crazy about that. We happened to do very well. A hawk would have shot down all locked Indian planes about to ingress into Pakistan. We shot two. A hawk duo in the ISB/RWP would have kept the monkey Abhinandan for AT LEAST a week to prove that they aren't just capitulating to Indian pressure of escalation.
2.) Talk is cheap. We have been undermining American interests in Afghanistan for over a decade so, again, that is nothing new or specific to this current Docile Duo. We have "told" the US many such things for a very long time --- including before they invaded Afghanistan.
3.) Pakistan has a rich history of controversial claims at the UN. Nawaz Sharif almost exclusively eulogized Burhan Wani, a man deemed a terrorist by India and much of the world (of course I personally think he is a noble freedom fighter); should we conclude that Nawaz is a hawk as well?
4.) Again, you are mistaken. Under the N League, the entire LeJ leadership was not just put behind bars for a few months but eliminated in a legendary op. Everybody said it would result in a huge sectarian civil war etc etc etc --- but the govt took a stand and it happened (they even killed the Home Minister in a retaliation suicide bombing.) Before that, we retook Swat and FATA back from such radicals. Simultaneously, we cleansed KHI of anti-State and radical elements under the Rangers Op. And before that, we conducted a raid on another radical in the heart of Islamabad --- remember Lal Masjid? Also, please don't forget that the current DG ISI signed a deal with Khadim Rizvi to get him to leave Pakistan. Then, months later, when he again engaged in agitation --- his mobs were allowed to destroy property, burns car and cause mass unrest till finally there was a crackdown and eventually he was also arrested. I think any country would do that. A HAWK duo would have crushed this bastard at the very first instance, not done a f*cking deal with him while he was occupying Islamabad. Please open your eyes.
5.) Trump tweets are more for domestic consumption and Trump couldn't give a rat's *** about IK's Twitter responses. Again, talk is cheap.
@Stealth , please explain to this young man how real hawks operate. IOK is the perfect example. You are probably cheering for the government's pathetic and weak response that consists of nothing other than "raising our voices." That's BULLSHIT. All govts have to do that because of our historic connection to the Kashmir issue --- there's nothing special in that. We actively decided to let Kashmir drown in Indian atrocities and we can never be forgiven for it.
Take care.
