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Please Explain: How could be mobile Radars SAFER in presence of US SATELLITES ?

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Mobile Radars still need about half an hour or more to be deployed, or to pack in order to mover to another place.

While US has 24 hours SATELLITE monitoring systems.

In open air, these mobile Radars are sitting ducks for US.

On the other hand, Iran has missile Silos which are considered safe while their dome is made up of Iranian CONCRETE, which is so strong that perhaps only the heaviest US bomb (mother of all bombs) could penetrate through it.

And I don't think Saudia has anything which could penetrate through such Iranian concrete.

So, would it not be wise to put Bavar type Radars under such Concrete Silos, where the dome of silos could be removed within 1 minute (in order that Radar could work) and then again cover the Radar within 1 minute against the incoming enemies missile?
 
Actually, an S-300 can be stowed and deployed in just 5 minutes. If Iran uses the "shoot and scoot" strategy, whereby it fires a salvo of missiles and then quickly packs the system up and moves it, US satellites can do nothing. And remember, it takes quite a while to find the actual radars with satellites.
 
What the heck is so special about "Iranian concrete"?
 
How could the U.S have 24/7 satelite coverage over all of Iran? They would need thousands of satellites for that...

Having satelite coverage of 10% of Iran at one time would already be a huge feat...

But I know that 80% of ordinary people around the world believe that the U.S would have such a capability. How ever thats in Hollywood, not this worlds physics
 
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Satellites and their recognition of specified phenomenon in an specified band is a very complex process. The satellites that are operating in MEO and GEO orbits, can be easily dodged by using a simple smoke grenade over the phenomenon that the target country is trying to hide. It's more about visual band of those SATs. Even by spraying water droplets over the phenomenon, you can make problems for those sensors that are trying to recognize it in different bands, considering the difficulty of recognizing/determining errors caused by those droplets or anything that is used to hide for example a radar-station, it's a hard mission for the spy satellite. So high/Medium altitude Satellites are not a serious challenge after all.

Most of military/spy satellites are working in LEO orbit, low altitude. These military satellites are using different kinds of circuit recovery procedures. For example cold gas technology, small engines etc that SpaceX-launched spy satellite is already using.
These low orbit spy satellites are also using sensitive sensors in which CCDs are collecting data in different bands. It's like thousands of nano-scaled camera lenses that are arranged in regular rows with a very short run, having a very small focal length that makes them very sensitive to high energy radiations. Therefore you can take them out and blind them with using of laser beams, radiated from earth surface. For that, you need to detect satellite first, it's position by a local positioning system with high precision, determine it's angle of view and fire the beam to it's CCDs. And because CCDs of satellites are designed to collect/absorb the possible maximum radiation emitted from surface of the earth or the specified radar, they will absorb up to 90% of radiated laser beam. And then it's done.

To track enemy satellites Iran has this phased-array radar :
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An example for this operation done by Iran on CIA's spy satellite :
http://www.laserpointersafety.com/n...s/15a7c2ea26812db46600dea82964c5a2-230.php#on
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4162770,00.html

@PeeD Please correct my errors if you found any bro.
 
Everything ok baradar and we don't need to go even as far.

Americans and no one else have tactical-useful reconnaissance satellites in GEO permanently over the target country. In this class, best possible would be detection of large ships.

They now should have MEO (or still LEO) large aperture SAR satellites that can cover a quite large area. Nobody knows how large the area is (Hong Kong or even Taiwan size?) but a large fleet of such large SAR satellites in polar orbits would be needed for anything like a real-time/24/7/anywhere or even 30 min update rate of tactical targets.
Even with such advanced means I expect the U.S to have a 1-2 hours update rate of tactical targets anywhere in Iran in best case.

For optical satellites in LEO the situation is worse, an update rate of tactical targets anywhere in Iran should take 3-6 hours depending on the fleet size.

This is the reason why even systems with one hour deployment and department time don't fear satellite assets. Instead all sides go for airborne systems to provide real time 24/7 reconnaissance and the capability to counter them.

Most importantly: Advanced states with according missile capability like the U.S, Russia and China, would just kill the enemy's satellite assets. So the most survivable assets in such a case would be to good old airborne ones.
 
Mobile Radars still need about half an hour or more to be deployed, or to pack in order to mover to another place.

While US has 24 hours SATELLITE monitoring systems.

In open air, these mobile Radars are sitting ducks for US.

On the other hand, Iran has missile Silos which are considered safe while their dome is made up of Iranian CONCRETE, which is so strong that perhaps only the heaviest US bomb (mother of all bombs) could penetrate through it.

And I don't think Saudia has anything which could penetrate through such Iranian concrete.

So, would it not be wise to put Bavar type Radars under such Concrete Silos, where the dome of silos could be removed within 1 minute (in order that Radar could work) and then again cover the Radar within 1 minute against the incoming enemies missile?

LOL! If US Sat's had such capabilities the U.S. would have no need for Recon UAV's and Aircraft! And these are nothing but delusions in your head! And no one in their right mind deploys and operates a mobile Air Defense system from inside a Silo IT ABUSRD!

Hitting moving targets over areas that you don't have complete Air Superiority over is NOT easy!

And unless U.S. puts up SAT's with designated camera's for each Mobile SAM system in Iran then detecting and tracking each SAM system in Iran is NOT easy especially in a country that's larger than France, Germany, U.K. & Italy combined!!! And that's just the detecting and tracking part you'll have a whole other problem targeting and then hitting them with a weapon system from 100's of km away!


So no they are far from sitting ducks!

Silo's are much easier targets due to the accuracy of U.S. weapons systems and U.S. can equip it's tomahawks with 1000lb warheads capable of penetrating + 3ft fortified concrete bay doors and they posses the accuracy to hit those doors

Iran knows this and that's why they have built massive cavern type silos so they can take a massive explosion and quickly be prepped to launched another ballistic missile but SAM's are different and replacing the radars and targeting equipment of SAM's aren't so easy!

This is what an outdated Iranian SILO looks like and this was built during the time when not even the U.S. had the accuracy of targeting the launch bay doors with it's cruise missiles



Note just replacing the missiles inside such silos could take up to hours and repairing them if hit is not so easy and an explosion inside could render this silo inoperable for weeks


The picture below is of a more modern Iranian SILO



Note the missile gets fueled outside and the cavern has been built to withstand an explosion so even if they penetrate the lunch bay doors all they are destroying is a single missile not the actual silo and the reason they put such massive and wide doors is so that repair vehicles can come in conduct quick repairs and cleanup and tow in a new launcher & missile and have a new missile ready to launch from the same silo within hours


The U.S. doesn't have an unlimited number of Cruise Missiles and Aircraft deployed in the region so they have to be picky about what targets to choose against a country as big as Iran so the U.S. is not going to go after SAM TEL's unless a SAM Tel is equipped with it's own radar and targeting equipment like the 3rd of Khordod


 

It's interesting to observe that local news from Iran can't leak out.... but videos and specifications of it's sensitive defense installations are all over the web!
 
It's interesting to observe that local news from Iran can't leak out.... but videos and specifications of it's sensitive defense installations are all over the web!
They are developed before 2010s.

Newer versions are being used by IRGC
 
They are developed before 2010s.

Newer versions are being used by IRGC

In that case IRGC must be having very advance radars. you shouldn't than worry of any foreign intrusion?
 
In that case IRGC must be having very advance radars. you shouldn't than worry of any foreign intrusion?
Depends on your supposed enemy and it's strength. To counter US threat, we need years of hard work in that field. Until we haven't sent heavy satellites over US airspace, threat remains.
 
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