Plausible Turk-Pak Hybrid Presence Inside Afghanistan

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Some points to ponder based on the discussion from Mete Yarar, a Turkish defense and political analyst, and my inputs:

• Afghanistan isn't the name of just another country. According to Brzezinski (the US architect of the USSR's fall serviced via Af-Pak), whoever controls Afghanistan controls the world
• Kemal Pasha took an especial interest on Afghanistan (no Pak at that time) even though Turkey was war-torn with virtually zero resources
• Afghanistan is too valuable to leave to the whims of the inexperienced Taliban, who aren't exactly in the best terms with the moderate Afghans. It's the recipe of further foreign-engineered turmoil with huge fallouts onto Pak
• A Turk-Pak "hybrid" presence inside Afghanistan - completely independent of any other powers in the world - can quench the qualms of the warring parties to some extent. Here, the "hybrid" presence means almost invisible behind-the-scene actions with not the nose of a single Pak or Turkish folk bleeding
• Such a presence can balance the other "presences". Flowers filled with honey attract the bees
• Pak and Turkey have got everything to benefit from it with little risk. There's no "free lunch" in this Dunya! As for the "free lunch" in the Ahiret, it needs to be earned while being in this Dunya
• Etc.​

 

[Dalit]

We will support our Turkish brothers through thick and thin if they remain in Afghanistan.

 

[jamal18]

Dude, People don't learn that you can't tell the Afghans how to run their country.

 

[Deltadart]

If the Taliban don't want any foreign troops , then it should be respected by all outsiders. It's their country after all. Besides, we shouldn't let anyone drag us into something that will come to bite us in the a** later, as has been the case till now.

Turkey is thousands of miles away, thus safe from any blow back from Taliban and others. Moreover, Turkey is doing this in hopes of repairing their frayed relations with the US and Europe, and in return for getting some nice perks from them, but at the expense of Afghani, and Pakistani interests.

For pakistan in such a scenario, there is little to no gain in being part of any such set up. Whether Kabul airport functions or not is not worth the lives of our soldiers. Those who benefit from it should guard it themselves. This is where our national interest clearly diverges from turkish interest.

 

[Vapnope]

@Hakikat ve Hikmet
My study about Afghanistan tells me that Afghans do not like anyone from outside. Despite everything what anyone has tried, it has failed because for them you will always be outsider.

What do you propose on how Pakistan and Turkey can help build Afghanistan?

 

[Sayfullah]

Pak and Turkey have got everything to benefit from it with little risk. There's no "free lunch" in this Dunya! As for the "free lunch" in the Ahiret, it needs to be earned while being in this Dunya

Little risk?
Because of joining US war on terror we made many enemies and lost hundreds of billions of dollars and 100k + lives. We’ve learned our lesson the hard way.
There’s little risk for Turkey since they aren’t neighbours with Afghanistan. We are neighbours with them if we go against Taliban again then we’ll see a new wave of insurgency in Pakistan and more deadlier this time.
Let afghans rule their own country.
We have good ties with afghan Taliban atm we want to keep it that way we want allies in the region not more enemies!!!!

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Dude, People don't learn that you can't tell the Afghans how to run their country.

Hence, the "hybrid" presence without hurting the "egos"! And, the Pindi Boys are an expert on that, and so are the Turkish General Staffs (Libya, Northern Irak/Syria etc.)!!! And, how do you think the Muslim Empires were run encompassing so many different types of the most "hot headed" folks in the world????

Babur Han took control of Kabul before reaching out to Hindustan for a reason....

 

[Sayfullah]

The whole world has failed in Afghanistan. Nato, usa, ussr. What makes you think Pakistan and Turkey can win in Afghanistan?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Little risk?
Because of joining US war on terror we made many enemies and lost hundreds of billions of dollars and 100k + lives. We’ve learned our lesson the hard way.
There’s little risk for Turkey since they aren’t neighbours with Afghanistan. We are neighbours with them if we go against Taliban again then we’ll see a new wave of insurgency in Pakistan and more deadlier this time.
Let afghans rule their own country.
We have good ties with afghan Taliban atm we want to keep it that way we want allies in the region not more enemies!!!!

After losing 4K soldiers Pak let Bangals go....

What's the limit for Pak's endurance for Afganistan??? For some stuffs can be measured by money, and some stuffs are priceless...

The whole world has failed in Afghanistan. Nato, usa, ussr. What makes you think Pakistan and Turkey can win in Afghanistan?

The Muslim History of building Great Empires of Faith....

 

[Path-Finder]

Why does turkey want to go to afghani'ville? the talib don't want any foreign troops or foreign agents running around their nation.

so........why?

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

@Hakikat ve Hikmet
What do you propose on how Pakistan and Turkey can help build Afghanistan?

Devils lie in the details!! And, you slay the Sheyatin with the Zulfikar of Iman, Ihlas and Akl....

 

[CrazyZ]

Afghanistan future lies with the MENA bloc. History shows that its best left up to Afghan factions to resolve their internal disputes. Turkey and Pakistan should help facilitate this where possible. And should work together to prevent AQ OBL types from gaining a foothold in Afghanistan as well as faciltate longer term economic development in the region.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Why does turkey want to go to afghani'ville? the talib don't want any foreign troops or foreign agents running around their nation.

so........why?

Countries like Turkey and Pak are no "foreign agent" to begin with!! They are the bearer of the "intelligence" that builds the Muslim Empires...

Now, the era of the multiple empires has come back - Anglo-Saxon, Russian, Chinese etc....

Afghanistan future lies with the MENA bloc. History shows that its best left up to Afghan factions to resolve their internal disputes. Turkey and Pakistan should help facilitate this where possible. And should work together to prevent AQ OBL types from gaining a foothold in Afghanistan as well as faciltate longer term economic development in the region.

MENA?!?! It's been dead and gone for the last thousand years, and it'll remain so till the Roz-i Kiyamet!!! Even a cursory look at the Muslim world since the end of WW1 would show who have actually won, even infinitesimal, and who're losing what there're to lose....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

If the Taliban don't want any foreign presence, then it should be respected by all outsiders. It's their country after all. We shouldn't let anyone drag us into something that will come to bite us in the a**, as has been the case till now.

Turkey is thounds of miles away thus safe from any blow back. Turkey is doing this in hopes of repairing their frayed relations with the US and Europe, and in return for getting some nice perks from them.

For pakistan in such a scenario, there is little to no gain in being part of any such set up. Whether Kabul airport functions or not is not worth the lives of our soldiers. Those who benefit from it should guard it themselves. This is where our national interest clearly diverges from turkish interest.

It's not the "airport", it's the "Imperial Game" in the Muslim way!!! Hence, I have mentioned about the "convergence" of the Turk-Pak Muslim interest in Afghanistan not to let it be exploited by others....

 

[Path-Finder]

Countries like Turkey and Pak are no "foreign agent" to begin with!! They are the bearer of the "intelligence" that builds the Muslim Empires...

Now, the era of the multiple empires has come back - Anglo-Saxon, Russian, Chinese etc....

they don't want any foreign troops in their country. they have fought 20 years and we are about to have some form of peace. now another nato member is arriving when others are leaving.