Plans afoot to clean India's offices with cow urine :-]

[fallstuff]

People would have laughed when the idea of reusing the sewage water was first floated and now it is a reality and is used in almost all the major cities of the world where in human waste is treated and converted into drinkable water.

Its known as reclaimed water, mostly used as irrigation water.

 

[syedali73]

Camel urine and Islam

The hadeeth referred to by the questioner is a saheeh hadeeth, in which it says that some people came to Madeenah and fell sick. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to drink the milk and urine of camels, and they recovered and grew fat. In the story it also says that they apostatized and killed the camel-herder, then the Muslims caught them and executed them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2855) and Muslim (1671). With regard to the health benefits of drinking the milk and urine of camels, they are many, and they are well known to the earlier generations of medical science and they have been proven by modern scientific research.

Arabs (but no other Muslims) do believe (this belief predates Islam) in the medicinal value of Camel urine but whether it is as revered as the Cow urine in India, I am not sure. A few days ago, a Sudanese lecturer approached me on helping him isolate small molecular weight proteins/peptides from the Camel urine to be tested for immunomodulatory activities. I politely turned down his offer of collaboration not because I find it disgusting to work with urine, which I not for being a Biochemist I see urine simply as liquid composed of Urea and Uric acid and other macro and micromolecules, but because I don't like to bother Science to prove my (or someone's) theological beliefs. Anything and everything in a certain quantity/volume has some effect on a biological system and this is the basic principal of toxicology. Even water, if ingested too much, can severely affect the system and can even shut it down. So Camel urine may also exert some benefit in certain quantity, I don't know. However, in the presence of today's science and technology do we really need that? I have the same argument for the Cow urine as potential anti-whatever substance.

 

[Orakzai]

I want to convert to Islam do i believe Hadiths or just quran?


Read the history of your region when Alexander attacked India and i say Alexander not SIKANDAR.

I know about my history mate, Pathans are much closer to Persian race then indian.

 

[ashok mourya]

[QUOTE="Orakzai, post: 6641867, member: 12 now about my history mate, Pathans are much closer to Persian race then indian.[/QUOTE]
Ya we know you are related to afghans but punjabis, sindhis are related to indian culture and civilization.

 

[Ranndhawa]

I know about my history mate, Pathans are much closer to Persian race then indian.

What history?There was no "Pathan" in 325 B.C even pakhtun is not an ancient word PLUS persians are of Aryan origin just like majority of population of northern India.

 

[SpArK]

Actually cow dung is already used widely in bio-gas plants all over SA.

Here too !

 

[Bombermanx1]

Perhaps because they have many camels and they want to use it? Anyway the fact that they are doing research on it means nothing, it is not written in the Quran but if there is some sort of medicinal benefit to any type of animal urine that it is advisable to be used for treatment according to Islamic law.

You can buy Premarin here in the states for pregnant woman and that is made out of Mares urine.

So, they have many camels, but not many cows.We have Many cows and even Camels and we know which has more anti-microbial properties as is being patented and researched in labs.
The Arabs say it's written in Islam and told by the Prophet himself, while those outside Arabia are saying it is not so, do people believe the source and Birthplace of Islam, Arabia and their version to be true? or the many sects ,etc. and it's.Versions of Islam Outside of, Arabia to be true?
It seems the hardcore ideologues and staunch followers of Islam, seem to be following Wahabi and Salafi teachings, which is from Arabia and they say others have diluted and corrupted the real message,and practices followed in Islam.


Cow's urine is found to have anti-carcinogenic and anti-microbial properties and there are many patents and research being,done on that subject as you can see in this thread,many have posted about it.
So, if its distilled,extracted using scientific methods and mixed with fresh pine scent and used as a anti-microbial for disinfection what is wrong in it?
Most hospitals complain of Nosocomial infections(Hospital borne infections or superbugs).
These superbugs develop resistance over time, due to overuse of drugs and Chemicals used in cleaning the instruments and surroundings and every time, you have to get a stronger disinfectant to sanitise the area properly, and the bar is being raised higher everyday.
While a biological anti-microbial might lessen, such resistance and lead to lesser superbug infections.
There is nothing wrong in trying it out, since the initial tests and research proved it as effective.

They can drink this in desert where there is no water, even Bear Grills like that

Looks like they are doing something right,maybe they know some of its medicinal value that you don't.They are researching about it too.

 

[Spy Master]

How many video proofs from Middle East or Research based articles funded by Universities there, do you want me to post?
Any logical explanation you have to deny that research was fake or what they say is not True?

Show me a single verse in Quran... Don't be stupid...Their is nothing in our religion like this,on other hand Cow is considered a Holy,Sacred symbol in your religion...Be in denial mode if you dont want to believe anyone here...!

 

[Viper0011.]

You are an American of Pakistani origin. Even Pakistanis could attest to that. Your hatred for Imran Khan and love for Nawaz sharif is legendary on this forum. Posters could even point out your province of Origin (Punjab).


But then everyone on internet has right for his backstory, howsoever fake. So carry on...........

It is pretty obvious that you read my post just like the Pakistanis do and you miss the entire point. I am not against NS or IK for the nth time. I do want economy to progress in Pakistan. Whether one believes it or not, the World Peace to a large degree was connected to Pakistan until recently, with the new Tabloid that the ISIS started. Taliban and Al-Qaeda were being considered a global terrorism force.

So my writing are in context to that. I want average Pakistanis to get out of the extreme mentality of thinking everything is achievable through force and all. Take Modi for example, the guy has blood of many, many minorities on his hands. But a large majority of his population supports him (albeit Hindu majority). But his agenda this time, isn't terrorism or violent based. In fact he came up with a non violent agenda and that's what people voted him in for.

Similarly, just because I've been to a country a lot and spent time in there (including India or China), doesn't mean I am now a Pakistani and I love NS. I don't, in fact if Gandhi was to be a Prime Minister of Pakistan instead of NS, I'd be supporting him just as much as I tend to favor NS. You can switch roles, I'll support IK. The point is not my heritage here or the suspected region you thin I belong to, the point is a PEACEFUL system needs to be the fate of Pakistan.

If you are missing my point, may be you should rethink 26/11 or the Parliament Attacks deep inside India and see how critical it is for the Pakistanis to follow a peaceful system so that the entire culture can change from extremist, intense view of everything to a more peaceful, easy going Pakistan, who's also friendly towards it neighbors more than anyone else???
Btw, don't question my background if you don't know anything about me. I write on BR and Sino Defense just as much as I do on here. If you don't have a complete clue about what I am doing, I won't poke my nose in it either. Get the message behind my posts instead of silly questioning my typing skills.

 

[Bombermanx1]

Not offence. Not a compliment either.


This has got nothing to do with distilled cow urine.

It has nothing to do with distilled cow urine,there in Arabia, they drink camel urine it raw and fresh.
But even the mere mention of using distilled cow urine,with fresh pine scent sends sneers and disgust among some of our modernist,liberal Indians who call everything related to Ancient India and its knowledge systems as bunkum , pseudo science and BJP projects.While they themselves provide no logical answers or rebut why it is wrong with proofs instead just say "it's wrong,why because their liberal,modernist mind doesn't agree to anything other than western invention".
I don't even need to talk about the Pakistanis they laugh at us using cow urine,yet as many posted here they use cow dung to plaster their walls and ground.The Arabs drink camel urine it for it's medicinal value and research on that stuff.They say it was told by the Prophet,should we believe the pakistani version of Islam who the Arabs say is diluted and not pure version, or the Arab version of Salafi/Wahabi Islam? Seems to me the Wahabi version is winning hands down, and even Pakistanis are following that version to a great extent nowadays.
It proves that Those who are laughing at this article have no other rational.logical,scientific proofs to rebut and prove why this is wrong other than "I told you its not modern,so it should be bad and discouraged as it's not Western enough for their tastes".

Show me a single verse in Quran... Don't be stupid...Their is nothing in our religion like this,on other hand Cow is considered a Holy,Sacred symbol in your religion...Be in denial mode if you dont want to believe anyone here...!

I posted a big article in previous posts in this Thread, go read if fully and thoroughly and then disprove what i said with logical and scientific answers to disprove that Arabs are not researching on Scientific properties of Camel urine as we are doing Research on Cow urine Ant-cancerous and Anti-Microbial properties.
Any scientific proof declaring it as pseudoscience is welcome,other than,there is no such thing in our religion etc.,because i said so,Argument.

 

[Spy Master]

It has nothing to do with distilled cow urine,there they drink it raw and fresh.
But even the mere mention of using distilled cow urine,with fresh pine scent sends sneers and disgust among some of our modernist,liberal Indians who call everything related to Ancient India and its knowledge systems as bunkum and pseudo science and BJP projects.While they themselves provide no logical answers or rebut why it is wrong with proofs instead just say "it's wrong,why because their liberal,modernist mind doesn't agree to anything other than western invention".
I don't even need to talk about the Pakistanis they laugh at us using cow urine,yet as many posted here they use cow dung to plaster their walls and ground.The Arabs drink camel urine it for it's medicinal value and research on that stuff.They say it was told by the Prophet,should we believe the pakistani version of Islam who the Arabs say is diluted and not pure version, or the Arab version of Salafi/Wahabi Islam? Seems to me the Wahabi version is winning hands down, and even Pakistanis are following that version to a great extent nowadays.
It proves that Those who are laughing at this article have no other rational.logical,scientific proofs to rebut and prove why this is wrong other than "I told you its not modern,so it should be bad and discouraged as it's not Western enough for their tastes".


I posted a big article in previous posts in this Thread, go read if fully and thoroughly and then disprove what i said with logical and scientific answers to disprove that Arabs are not researching on Scientific properties of Camel urine as we are doing Research on Cow urine Ant-cancerous and Anti-Microbial properties.
Any scientific proof declaring it as pseudoscience is welcome,other than,there is no such thing in our religion etc.,because i said so! answers.

Believe whatever you want to believe...we are Muslims and we dont drink any Urine...enough..!

 

[Bombermanx1]

Believe whatever you want to believe...we are Muslims and we dont drink any Urine...enough..!

I would believe the version of Arabs who were the companions of Prophet and where Islam was born,rather than the later converts, version of Islam with many sects and changed versions.

if you have no scientific proof or argument other than "Believe me i said so argument"Then bye.No use of indulging in a rational,logical discussion as i said earlier.

 

[Viper0011.]

Yea, people are bias because they comment on a specific topic. The topic is about what an indian company is using to make a household product. By default for the likes of you, any answer that does not follow your sensitivities would mean it to be in the defense of Indians.

What does being Hindu have to do with this ?
Americans drink wine, is that because we are Christians largely?
Why is everything tied to religion or mocking it for people like you?

This why we laugh at you guys going on and on for 17 pages. This is an Indian company speaking about a household product.

"So the Cow Urine is used and people even drink it considering the Holly Water"

No they don't and right there it shows you are no better than those I talked about. Just because you have some instances of some people that may have in a country. That does not make it any quote " Holly water". That shows your utter ignorance of that country and its traditions and more about your bais. Imagine some moron saying to you that people use the chat Allah O Akbar" as a terrorism chant because Islam says it so or agrees with it. Just because they figured a small percentage of terrorists use that slogan. That would again be a ridiculous assumption on others behalf, yeah?

Do you as a Muslim not use products that could be claimed as being weird by another religion? Your attitude JUST told me that you are a bias Pakistani and not an American. One who seeks to mock others based on their religion.

See we can both play the same game. Have a nice day.

Wow, some fake dude retired from the state dept's desk / paper pushing job is trying to act smart. I am glad you are retired, as some of the fools they hired in a rush deserved retirements a long time ago. Your posts wreak of prejudice towards a certain country and your rear's on fire on this topic. Do I need to guess more on where you are really from? No wonder our foreign political influence is going down the drain as we have biased people like you, who, instead of reading someone's message in details, or properly analyzing anything, are just silly arguing it because their rear is burning.

And quit playing this game of the State Dept Retired bullshit. I don't think you are even allowed to tell others you worked for the State Dept. And who is this "We" who are laughing at others? A few of your retired buddies who may have worked at lower level analyst jobs trying to be internet warriors some online British gig for $ 10 an hour??

Now let me show you how to do analysis without being biased or getting your rear hurt and take out the emotionality.

1) Everyone on here and in the world, who knows India, knows the Cow is looked at exactly like a Sacred Mother (Gao Mata) is the term. Its urine is distributed in temples and is used around worship time to drink as the Holly Water. There is no IF'S or BUT'S or no "they don't do it". This is how it is. Sorry if you can't sustain the reality. But the way you get defensive tells me you know it and probably practice it too. Which is fine. You should do what you believe in.

Frankly, I don't see why your rear's on fire in defending this and with going in circles. This is how it is and it is acceptable. 1.2 Billion people follow it so who am I or others to question it? I am simply highlighting the fact that others and likes of you, don't have to defend it. You do it for a reason and that's more than justified.

2) As far as Allah Akbar is concerned, I am sorry, it is not a "terrorism chant". Obviously at your little desk, file pushing job, you weren't as important that they cared to put you training about Islam. So that speaks volume.

But allow me to shed light on it. Allah Akbar is a prayer call. Like we say Jesus Christ all the time. There is not a lot of difference in the context. However, I just wrote a long article on terrorism and Islam on here. The chant "Allah Akbar" is being used in the wrong context by these crazy terrorists that are Muslims (just like we've had Christians and currently Hindu terrorist outfits too like RSS, Shive Sena and BJP to name a few, doing exactly what the Taliban do, without blowing up the bombs, but still killing people in riots, etc).

So the chant here, being used by these terrorists, describes Islam by people committing murders in a way that has nothing to do with Islam. So I personally have an issue with that as someone needs to put an end to this terrorism drama.
The Islamic countries have a responsibility here to change their culture and force better, meaningful teachings of Islam through their clerics so that a more peaceful view of Islam is put into people's heads. And anyone preaching hate and jihad for their own gain, should be given the utmost punishment, no questions asked.

I didn't mean to derail the topic by bringing Islam in, but I wanted to show you as to how to do balance analysis. You seem to favor just one side for your own bias and obviously they didn't teach you enough to analyze a problem without being attached through your personal biases.

So at the end, get your head out of your rear and understand that I don't think there is anything wrong with the practice. Its a part of people's faith and the least I can do, as a fellow human, is to respect it. You keep coming back emotionally charged and ready to argue more. Makes no sense.

If you read many of my posts, I keep repeating when humans follow a practice as a religion and its peaceful, other humans should be respectful of that. If someone values something religiously and you or I or others don't, we still have to be respectful of it. Not sure why your rear's hurting this bad and you keep ignoring the most critical aspect of my post.

Here, enjoy, I just posted a few out of hundreds of links. You said (in Bold from your post that they don't drink cow Urine, allow me to correct you. Plus, I am glad you were let go of your little desk job if you really worked at the state dept. They need more qualified people. May be I should go work for them).

All You Need to Know About Hinduism: The Holy Cow

Holy Cow! Hindu Cult Promotes Drinking Cow Urine

Holy Cows: Hinduism's Blessed Bovines

 

[Bombermanx1]

No offence but when you visited Bharat last time? I guess hindus in foreign countries have no idea about their heritage. Even in India most of meat is prepared and sold by muslims. Cyber world can make anyone ignorant about his/her true roots.

You have no idea, Hindus own many restaurants which prepare meat ,not every restaurant is muslim in India.
Do you have any idea, how is it like in India or you talking about your experience in Pakistan?Where muslims are a majority and hindus are a minority.

 

[livingdead]

cow urine can replace petrol..... DRDO should do research on it..