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Again you are using wikipedia (!) without even knowing the subject, and that wiki statement is of another context. Fighter AESAs need more power than Pesa's (Raptor Apg-77, average 6kw, max 16kw) Pesa's also need less power to achieve the same. The Irbis-e has better range than the Apg-77.


First, WS-10G produce 155KN of thrust which is more than your 117S (147KN). This means it will also be able to produce more power to power J-20's AESA. China does NOT need Russia any more on this one.


Second, Irbis-E is NO MATCH for APG-77. Irbis-E is PESA it does not have low probability of interception which means it is not stealth at all. Irbis-E also not as good in terms of high jamming resistance. It has longer range? True, but only by a little.

Last, Wiki is not good, ONLY for political informations. As for technical stuff, it is ok.
 
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Germans are fake Aryans and Hitler has the ancestry of the Ashkenazi Jew.

It is true that Nazi Germany has hijacked the Aryan identity of Slavic people, but i still can't see what makes Aryan so superior.

Germanic tribes were in fact descendants from indoeuropeans, but the highest genetic share is in slavs. Other europeans have little indoeurp genes, some of them none.
 
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First, WS-10G produce 155KN of thrust which is more than your 117S (147KN). This means it will also be able to produce more power to power J-20's AESA. China does NOT need Russia any more on this one.


Second, Irbis-E is NO MATCH for APG-77. Irbis-E is PESA it does not have low probability of interception which means it is not stealth at all. Irbis-E also not as good in terms of high jamming resistance. It has longer range? True, but only by a little.

Last, Wiki is not good, ONLY for political informations. As for technical stuff, it is ok.

As of the WS-10G, you are using a wiki page wich can be edited by a ****** 10 year-old and wich does not even have a link. Irbis-e is not intended for stealth, but for legacy upgrade and has a higher range of 100km than the Apg-77, wich comes from raw power.
 
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Germanic tribes were in fact descendants from indoeuropeans, but the highest genetic share is in slavs. Other europeans have little indoeurp genes, some of them none.

Germanic tribes were originally native Europeans who carried hg I and Proto-Indo-Europeans carried R1a.

No, Germanic tribes were Indo-Europeanized people, not offsprings of the Indo-Europeans. Not just because they are blonde, so that makes them Aryans.

The blonde and the light eyes are not the unique traits of Aryans, some Non-Aryan aborigines in Northern Europe were even blonder than Aryans.

Today's Germans carry very little R1a gene, so they are not Aryans.
 
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Germanic tribes had indoeuropean ancestors, even if today's share is little. Slavs are just a "purer" race and conserved many more genes. Slaves are the most direct descendants of aryans, others were not so direct or mixed.
 
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As of the WS-10G, you are using a wiki page wich can be edited by a ****** 10 year-old and wich does not even have a link. Irbis-e is not intended for stealth, but for legacy upgrade and has a higher range of 100km than the Apg-77, wich comes from raw power.

HAHAHA. :rofl:


Look at you Russians. The J-20's first flight is powered by WS-10G. J-20 took off in just 200 meters!!

Even with all these un denialble evidences, you Russians are still pulling out B.S that it uses your 117S engine.
 
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HAHAHA. :rofl:


Look at you Russians. The J-20's first flight is powered by WS-10G. J-20 took off in just 200 meters!!

Even with all these un denialble evidences, you Russians are still pulling out B.S that it uses your 117S engine.

The noise produced by the silver engines that powered J-20 was totally different from any Russian engines.

The theory of purchasing 117S is officially dead.
 
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Germanic tribes had indoeuropean ancestors, even if today's share is little. Slavs are just a "purer" race and conserved many more genes. Slaves are the most direct descendants of aryans, others were not so direct or mixed.

Germanic people were Neothilic farmers who got linguistically Indo-Europeanized by the Kurgan tribes from the Russian steppe. Germanic people weren't the offsprings of the Kurgans, but Scythians and Slavs were.
 
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There is about 15% prevalence of Aryan genetic traits in people in Germany, about 30%+ for Slavic people. There is no Aryan in todays world anymore, only parts of it.
 
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There is about 15% prevalence of Aryan genetic traits in people in Germany, about 30%+ for Slavic people. There is no Aryan in todays world anymore, only parts of it.

Only East Germans carry some 15% of R1a gene, and Russians/Ukrainians/Poles overall carry 50-60% of the Aryan gene marker.

West Germans/Dutches/Brits don't carry R1a at all, so they don't have anything to do with Aryans.

Aryans still have their descendants living in East Europe and West/Central/South Asia, but they are not the richest people on Earth.
 
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Germanic people were Neothilic farmers who got linguistically Indo-Europeanized by the Kurgan tribes from the Russian steppe. Germanic people weren't the offsprings of the Kurgans, but Scythians and Slavs were.




Trust me on this one. In the future China might buy one last batch of AL-31FN to upgrade SU-30MKK or J-10A. Nothng more!!

We are free from Russian engines. :yahoo::yahoo:
 
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Trust me on this one. In the future China might buy one last batch of AL-31FN to upgrade SU-30MKK or J-10A. Nothng more!!

We are free from Russian engines. :yahoo::yahoo:

It was already free, but we still purchase some for some political reasons and the balance of trade.
 
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It was already free

Sure you are.


some political reasons and the balance of trade.

:rofl: so your telling me you buy one of the most important military hardware on earth so you could just solve the trade inbalance issue with Russia, :lol: what a load of B.S.


NO you buy their engines because of the reasons below me.


Chinese Engines Miss The Finish Line
by James Dunnigan
October 8, 2011

Russia is not conceding defeat in its effort to halt Chinese theft of Russian military technology. This can be seen in China having more difficulty than it will admit in its battle to free itself from dependence on Russia for high-performance jet engines for its top-line jet fighters. This surfaced recently when China protested restrictions Russia was insisting on for the use of AL-31FN engines China ordered two months ago. Russia wants guarantees that the AL-31FNs will only be used to power Chinese warplanes, and that none of them will be disassembled to assist Chinese engineers in perfecting the illegal Chinese clone of the AL-31FN, the WS-10A. China is resisting these restrictions, which simply makes the Russians more insistent. China has been stealing Russian military tech for years, especially since the end of the Cold War. Back then, Russia could no longer to buy new military gear, and it was only orders from China and India that were keeping many Russian defense firms in business. This was, and still is, particularly true with Russian manufacturers of military jet engines.Thus Russia wants, and still needs, the sales, but does not want China to become a competitor by using stolen Russian technology.

And then there's the problem with China not wanting to admit that its own engine development efforts have consistently come up short. For example, last year, China revealed that it was replacing the engines in its J-10 fighter, installing Chinese made WS-10A in place of the Russian made AL-31FN. Then, two months ago, China ordered another 123 AL-31FNs, to be delivered over the next two years.

The Chinese claim the WS-10A is superior to the AL-31F, even though the WS-10A copied a lot of the Russian technology. The Chinese say they have improved on that. For example, as delivered from Russia, the original AL-31 was good for 900 hours of operation. Chinese engineers figured out how to tweak the design of the engine so that it would last for 1,500 hours. Russia has since improved their basic AL-31 lifetime to 1,500 hours, and, most recently, 2,000 hours. When pressed, the Chinese will claim that they cannot produce enough WS-10As for all the new airframes they are building. But the reality is that the WS-10As have some serious, and unpredictable, reliability problems.

China believes it will be free from dependence on Russia for military jet engines within the next five years, which implies that Chinese engine manufacturers still have a way to go. For years, China has imported two Russian engines, the $3.5 million AL-31, and the $2.5 million RD-93 (a version of the MiG-29's RD-33) for the JF-17 (a F-16 type aircraft developed in cooperation with Pakistan.) But in the meantime, Chinese engineers have managed to master the manufacturing techniques needed to make a Chinese copy of the Russian AL-31 engine. This Chinese copy, the WS-10A, is part of a program that has also developed the WS-13, to replace the RD-93 as well. While the Chinese have been able to build engines that are durable, they are still having problems with reliability.

China has long copied foreign technology, not always successfully. But in the last decade, China has poured much money into developing a jet engine manufacturing capability. The Chinese encountered many of the same problems the Russians did in the beginning. Developing the necessary engine design and construction skills is difficult. But China has several advantages. First, they knew of the mistakes the Russians had made, and so were able to avoid many of them. Then there was the fact that China had better access to Western manufacturing technology (both legally and illegally). Finally, China was, unlike the Soviets, able to develop their engine manufacturing capabilities in a market economy. This was much more efficient than the command economy that the Soviets were saddled with for seven decades. The Chinese consider the J-10 and WS-10A part of the learning process, and they do learn from their mistakes.


Chinese Engines Miss The Finish Line
 
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